FREE Health Care

[White Zetsu]

^ i said this already.

[Wooster]

Regardless my point is that they kill before the babies are born, which I backed up with evidence in a peer reviewed paper.

Only hardcore abortion fantics get their panties in a wad if they are "babies" or not. It's all semantics. Ask any preganent woman what's inside her and she will say a baby.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Wooster

When does location determine what something is?

I never said it was location. It's not location, it's the development state before birth. Besides, you wouldn't call the North Pole, America, would you?

[Wooster]

I'd call them both earth.

Development is another matter, but as I didn't say anything about where in the devlopmement they are killed, that cannot be the condition. Surely you are not claiming killing just before birth is any different than killing immediately after birth.
In fact, bioethicist do support killing after. Logically it is the same. Of course, bioethicist are the most inhumane people in the world.

[White Zetsu]

^ abortion is killing no matter which way you twist it.

[Wooster]

So is pulling a plant up by the roots.

I love arguing both sides. :3

[White Zetsu]

true but a plant isnt sentient. I do too. question: why do hippies love trees so much, yet abortion is ok??

[Wooster]

What about spinia bifia? Extremely unlilkely people with that condition are sentinent. They essentially have no brains. So is it okay to kill a "fetus" before they are sentient?
In fact, for the first 8-16 months, claiming a baby is sentient is a bit of a stretch too. Most animals have higher brain power.

Because hippies smoke pot, and fork their brains over. Pay no attention to them.

[White Zetsu]

^ youve got a point, but its the fact that it becomes sentient later. and the spina bifia, i thought that was only discovered after birth anyway??

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Free healthcare involves trusting the government with an enormous amount of money and control over a very personal sector

No way in hell

[White Zetsu]

^ yup.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by White Zetsu

^ youve got a point, but its the fact that it becomes sentient later. and the spina bifia, i thought that was only discovered after birth anyway??

It is genetic. I don't know if it is, but it would be feasible to determine it before birth.

So can we kill people that never will become sentient or lost it? I mean, like if they are burden. Can't have people burdened after all.

And as IWD just said, if you have free health care all these decisions get to be made by the government. Yay!

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Corrupt douchebags who would be handed an extremely lucrative field and it would quickly end up a legalized Mafia..

[White Zetsu]

^ correct look what we have to look forward to. thanks Obamacare

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Corrupt douchebags who would be handed an extremely lucrative field and it would quickly end up a legalized Mafia..

Originally Posted by White Zetsu

^ correct look what we have to look forward to. thanks Obamacare

NOt that it really matters, I guess LA is banning soda vending machines or something.

None of us will be allowed to be unhealthy anyway.

[Kingsnoke]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Corrupt douchebags who would be handed an extremely lucrative field and it would quickly end up a legalized Mafia..

Maybe if money wasn't speech and corporations weren't considered people this wouldn't be as much of a problem.

As for the thread's question, Kingsnoke agrees with the stated point that there is no such thing as Free Healthcare as someone has to pay for it. It's impossible to get something for nothing. TANSTAAFL.

[Wooster]

So what Kingsnoke is saying is corporations should be a collection of robots instead?

[Kingsnoke]

Originally Posted by Wooster

So what Kingsnoke is saying is corporations should be a collection of robots instead?

Basically.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by White Zetsu

^ correct look what we have to look forward to. thanks Obamacare

I can tell you some horror stories about state hospitals where I come from, but I tell you the whole state of entitlement mentality and the way the gangsters and corrupt mercilessly prey on it is pretty atrocious

Originally Posted by Wooster

NOt that it really matters, I guess LA is banning soda vending machines or something.

None of us will be allowed to be unhealthy anyway.

Really? This is where the Federal government should get involved and slap that down that's a violation of individual rights

Originally Posted by Kingsnoke

Maybe if money wasn't speech and corporations weren't considered people this wouldn't be as much of a problem.
.

you can fight..and oust a corporation you cannot do the samething to a government run institution unless you get the right people into power and that's usually impossible when the opposition is a violently leftist often organized crime connected institution with access to a massive source of money and such a critical topic.

Simply put once this happens..there's usually no going back without violence

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

So is pulling a plant up by the roots.

I love arguing both sides. :3

Sure that's true too.

But virtually nobody is going to argue a plant is a human being.
Well except lunatics and trolls. And probably Wooster being bored.
Or me pretending to be Wooter being bored because I'm really bored.

Plenty will argue that an human fetus which means human offspring
would quite naturally be human. But others would disagree and
say that one's personhood only comes into effect once they are born.