Kabuto vs Pain

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

CT takes prep, and might even require disabling the other paths (we'll never know because all the other paths were dead when Pain did it), Kabuto speedblitzed Itachi and Sasuke, no way Deva has enough time...GG Pain. Idk why you just ignored my last post with a basically unbeatable strategy but w/e.

Pain would just shinra tensei anything that kabuto throws at him or absorb it with preta path. Including White Rage. (thats why i didnt mention it)

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Pain would just shinra tensei anything that kabuto throws at him or absorb it with preta path. Including White Rage. (thats why i didnt mention it)

White Rage isn't an attack that can be absorbed, it explodes Preta would have nothing to grab onto. It's not a chakra based dragon that actually attacks the enemy like water and fire techniques. It's just a combination of chakra and light that swirls into a ball and explodes. In case you forgot ST can't be spammed Kidomaru's web on the other hand can. On top of that this is all irrelevant because Pain has no counter for demonic flute.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Pain would just shinra tensei anything that kabuto throws at him or absorb it with preta path. Including White Rage. (thats why i didnt mention it)

He cannot absorb sound. Nor White rage. Kabuto on the other hand has resistance to most of the attacks Pain has. On top of that Kabuto has greater intelligence!!!

[PrinceofPeace]

Konon can get paths out of genjutsu and vice versa

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Konon can get paths out of genjutsu and vice versa

How? Konan is not a genjutsu user and sound genjutsu unlike visual genjutsu affects multiple targets. Konan would be trapped in it too, unless you show me some genjutsu feats she's just as susceptible to Demonic Flute as Pain.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

He cannot absorb sound. Nor White rage. Kabuto on the other hand has resistance to most of the attacks Pain has. On top of that Kabuto has greater intelligence!!!

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

White Rage isn't an attack that can be absorbed, it explodes Preta would have nothing to grab onto. It's not a chakra based dragon that actually attacks the enemy like water and fire techniques. It's just a combination of chakra and light that swirls into a ball and explodes. In case you forgot ST can't be spammed Kidomaru's web on the other hand can. On top of that this is all irrelevant because Pain has no counter for demonic flute.

Preta path doesnt have to grab on the things he wants to absorb things he usually makes some kind of barrier where in any jutsu that hit him is sucked up( ex: Cho Oodama Rasengan). Furthermore kabuto would get bansho tenin'ed > hell kinged/ CT/soul pulled before he even gets to use white rage.

Kabuto has no counter against gravity.
Also kabuto first has to use sakons ability then transform it into kimimaro and then let him make a bone flute and then change to tayuya before he can do that. He wont even get the the chance because he will be horded with summons of the animal path.
While pain can just Banho Tenin! and its done. Being liquid doesnt stop gravity. Asura Path will handle those webs.

Also lets say he does get white rage off he can only take out 1 of the paths( example: Him needing to choose to take out sasuke or itachi if it was long/infinite he wouldnt have to choose) since its an brief attacks and as soon as its over kabuto wil get ganged by the other paths.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

How? Konan is not a genjutsu user and sound genjutsu unlike visual genjutsu affects multiple targets. Konan would be trapped in it too, unless you show me some genjutsu feats she's just as susceptible to Demonic Flute as Pain.

1- A path can use genjutsu on them to get them out (outer path)
2- If they all constatly flow chakra through their teammates then genjutsu would be useless

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

1- A path can use genjutsu on them to get them out (outer path)
2- If they all constatly flow chakra through their teammates then genjutsu would be useless

1.) The outer path doesn't use genjutsu
2.) What are you suggesting? Do they fight Kabuto while walking around holding hands, they have to be touching, in case you didn't notice they didn't touch each other the entire time except when Human Path saved Animal Path from getting destroyed by Rasenshuriken.

[PrinceofPeace]

So it is out of character fo them to get in contact in life or death situtations?

The whole team does not need to be in contact just a pair. Also it was th human path using genjutsu... I always mix them all up

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

So it is out of character fo them to get in contact in life or death situtations?

The whole team does not need to be in contact just a pair. Also it was th human path using genjutsu... I always mix them all up

Human Path doesn't use genjutsu either. And they don't have intel on Kabuto meaning no knowledge of his sound based genjutsu. Like I said before Demonic Flute makes Kabuto the victor here.

[megabbaut]

Pain has taken on Frog Song and blindsided Jiraiya afterwards. Demonic Flute is a less powerful genjutsu and if Pain manages to blindside Kabuto as well, he will lose an arm and will have a less chance of winning. (Unless he has regeneration)

[321zigzag3]

Who said that CT takes prep?

It doesn't take that much time.

For Pain it depends how close he is to Nagato that is it.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Who said that CT takes prep?

It doesn't take that much time.

For Pain it depends how close he is to Nagato that is it.

In Battle against Naruto, Pain had to retreat so he could use it. Also it is very possible that just like Chou Shinra Tensei, other 5 paths pass out!!!

[PrinceofPeace]

^ Regardless Konon will not pass it and can provide back-up

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Pain has taken on Frog Song and blindsided Jiraiya afterwards. Demonic Flute is a less powerful genjutsu and if Pain manages to blindside Kabuto as well, he will lose an arm and will have a less chance of winning. (Unless he has regeneration)

That was because he had three of his paths hiding out of the sound's range, that's the only reason Jiraiya got blindsided. However, in this fight all six paths would be there at once. Kabuto has shown better precog. than Jiraiya too.

In Battle against Naruto, Pain had to retreat so he could use it. Also it is very possible that just like Chou Shinra Tensei, other 5 paths pass out!!!

^THIS THIS THIS...I say this all the time glad someone else finally brought it up. It's very likely that the other five paths lose power when Deva uses CT, since it's on roughly the same scale as the huge ST. The only thing was that we saw Deva use it after the other five had died. It doesn't really matter though because as previously stated CT takes time.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

^THIS THIS THIS...I say this all the time glad someone else finally brought it up. It's very likely that the other five paths lose power when Deva uses CT, since it's on roughly the same scale as the huge ST. The only thing was that we saw Deva use it after the other five had died. It doesn't really matter though because as previously stated CT takes time.

Bansho Tenin and then proceeding to pull his soul out doesnt.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Bansho Tenin and then proceeding to pull his soul out doesnt.

Do you really want to pull someone that dangerous in close combat right in front of you. I could have that scenario easily backfire. Bansho Tenin, Kabuto gets up close, Human Path comes in, Kabuto sheds skin and proceeds to decapitate an unsuspecting Human Path who's trying to take the soul out of his husk.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Do you really want to pull someone that dangerous in close combat right in front of you. I could have that scenario easily backfire. Bansho Tenin, Kabuto gets up close, Human Path comes in, Kabuto sheds skin and proceeds to decapitate an unsuspecting Human Path who's trying to take the soul out of his husk.

Youre implying that kabuto wont get restricted by getting his throat crushed and being forced into pains grip and there is always preta path if things get nasty.
How do you move while your soul is pulled out orochimaru didnt seem able to do it.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

In Battle against Naruto, Pain had to retreat so he could use it. Also it is very possible that just like Chou Shinra Tensei, other 5 paths pass out!!!

That isn't a huge prep time like you make it sound to be.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Youre implying that kabuto wont get restricted by getting his throat crushed and being forced into pains grip and there is always preta path if things get nasty.
How do you move while your soul is pulled out orochimaru didnt seem able to do it.

Before Human Path touches him Kabuto sheds his skin and cuts his head off. He's faster than Human Path with precog. in case you forgot. Yea because Asura Path is going to catch him when Itachi and Sasuke could barely knick him Preta Path gets caught in Kidomaru's web and gets some bones lodged through his chest he's not an issue here.