Kabuto vs Pain

[321zigzag3]

Sage Enhanced Demonic Flute if used should be able to bind all of the Paths within the vicinity.

Location also matters though take in mind Kabuto was able to use the cave to his advantage both for his Inorganic Life and sound techniques.

White Rage is also good counter to Pain depending on my Paths get blinded depending on location or how many Paths are visible to Kabuto.

The problem is that Kabuto's offensive capabilities although versatile and great lacks some good killing power and the paths are pretty durable for the most part.

Kabuto will want Manda 2.0 in the fight as well.
Kabuto has shown great abilties to fight multiple enemies but Pain just has it better partially because it possess greater raw power and he can easily spam. Kabuto is still just one.

Kabuto would want to be very clever with DNA inserted abilities to pick off the Paths or bind them with Demonic Flute or some other things.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Sage Enhanced Demonic Flute if used should be able to bind all of the Paths within the vicinity.

Location also matters though take in mind Kabuto was able to use the cave to his advantage both for his Inorganic Life and sound techniques.

White Rage is also good counter to Pain depending on my Paths get blinded depending on location or how many Paths are visible to Kabuto.

The problem is that Kabuto's offensive capabilities although versatile and great lacks some good killing power and the paths are pretty durable for the most part.

Kabuto will want Manda 2.0 in the fight as well.
Kabuto has shown great abilties to fight multiple enemies but Pain just has it better partially because it possess greater raw power and he can easily spam. Kabuto is still just one.

Kabuto would want to be very clever with DNA inserted abilities to pick off the Paths or bind them with Demonic Flute or some other things.

From what I`ve seen Kabuto has better speed, power, techniques, intelligence and variety of Jutsu!!!

[megabbaut]

Demonic Flute will not do a single thing to Pain. He has endured Frog Song, and blindsided Jiraiya afterwards.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Demonic Flute will not do a single thing to Pain. He has endured Frog Song, and blindsided Jiraiya afterwards.

Yes, but that is only because Jiraiya thought there were only three of them. He killed three, the rest of them did not show themselves!!!

[321zigzag3]

THe problem with Kabuto is that he lacks or possess inferior raw offensive killing power compared to the other top tiers and god tiers in Narutoverse.

[JLI2infinity]

Kabuto wins this handily. Sage Mode (and Juugo's cells) enhance strength and speed. Sound based genjutsu (Pain's weakness). Precognition from SM as well. Enhanced healing factor from Karin and his own natural ability. Body shedding. White rage to incapacitate opponents. All the techniques of the Sound Four (bone attacks, web, earth release). Muki tensei which makes the battlefield work for him. Water Release. Poison. Hydrification Technique. And Superior Intelligence. I don't see how people could see him losing here.

He's almost impervious to physical attack, his speed is ridiculous probably bordering top tier (faster than Sasuke and Kakashi who are noted for their speed but slower than Minato, Gates Gai, A, and Naruto who are almost invisible with their movements), he has high level genjutsu as I pointed out and he can overwhelm Pain with just an offensive onslaught. The only paths that can even hope to kill Kabuto are Deva, Asura, and Human.

Asura Path: Gets speedblitzed, and decapitated

Human Path: Has no hope of outdoing SM Kabuto in taijutsu, base Kabuto fought on par with Kakashi and Tsunade.

Deva Path: Could possibly win with Chibaku Tensei but I'm sure Kabuto will have incapacitated him before he has enough time to charge it up.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Asura Path: Gets speedblitzed, and decapitated

Ehhh.

Human Path: Has no hope of outdoing SM Kabuto in taijutsu, base Kabuto fought on par with Kakashi and Tsunade.

Base Kabuto and Kakashi never fought with taijutsu or it was a brief clash and then KAbuto escaped.

He himself admitted he is not a taijuts specialist and Tsunade was not in her shape.

The only reason I can agree with this because he has sage mode and the other snake.

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Shurado can`t do anything to Kabuto because physical attacks are pretty meaningless against Kabuto.

Ningendo can`t do any other damage to him than to kill him by taking out his soul. To do that, however, it seems he has to grab him by his head and read his mind. Kabuto can just liquify himself if that happened.

Tendo has the most chance. Shinra Tensei or Chou Shinra Tensei won`t work. Tendo could perhaps win with the help of Chibaku Tensei.

But Kabuto could just liquify, Chibaku Tensei can`t do anything against water. Also there are numerous Jutsu Kabuto has to stop Chibaku Tensei.

Also, if Pain wants to do Chibaku Tensei then all other Paths of Pain will become unconscious. Not to mention Tendo needs time to prepare it!!!

[megabbaut]

Wow, how can Pain be so underestimated? The Pains can come back after dying, they did this many times before. This and Kabuto has absolutely no knowledge on Pain, and knowledge helped greatly in SM Naruto's fight against him.

Deva Path uses Bansho Tenin to pull Kabuto to Preta. Preta absorbs anything Kabuto tries to do, then proceeds to get stabbed with a chakra rod or Soul Sucked by Human Path. The Paths of Pain were giving SM Jiraiya & SM Naruto trouble, and they're far superior to SM Kabuto.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Wow, how can Pain be so underestimated? The Pains can come back after dying, they did this many times before. This and Kabuto has absolutely no knowledge on Pain, and knowledge helped greatly in SM Naruto's fight against him.

Deva Path uses Bansho Tenin to pull Kabuto to Preta. Preta absorbs anything Kabuto tries to do, then proceeds to get stabbed with a chakra rod or Soul Sucked by Human Path. The Paths of Pain were giving SM Jiraiya & SM Naruto trouble, and they're far superior to SM Kabuto.

Umm how about, how is Kabuto being so underestimated? Deva uses BT to pull Kabuto in, Kabuto absorbs the stab from the rod and receives no damage thanks to hydrification. Kabuto stabs Deva Path through the chest with his chakra scalpel. Everyone else is screwed. OR while getting pulled in Kabuto uses a water technique to blow Deva Path backwards. OR he uses Muka Tensei and shifts the battlefield in his favor OR he uses White Rage and blinds all the paths at once OR he uses Kidomaru's web to trap Deva Path while he's being pulled in OR he uses Jidanbo's Earth Release to create a wall to jump off of OR Kabuto lets himself get grabbed by Preta Path then sheds his skin while Preta tries to hold him and kills Preta while he scrambles to react OR he uses Kimamaro's finger bullets and fires them at high speeds into Deva's skull during the five second recovery period OR...

On top of that Kabuto has more intel than anyone else in the ninja world and he's brilliant, he would figure out Pain's abilities much faster than Pain would figure out his, and he most likely already knew some of Rinnegan's abilities from his research with Edo Tensei and Oro.

Have I made my point.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Umm how about, how is Kabuto being so underestimated? Deva uses BT to pull Kabuto in, Kabuto absorbs the stab from the rod and receives no damage thanks to hydrification. Kabuto stabs Deva Path through the chest with his chakra scalpel. Everyone else is screwed. OR while getting pulled in Kabuto uses a water technique to blow Deva Path backwards. OR he uses Muka Tensei and shifts the battlefield in his favor OR he uses White Rage and blinds all the paths at once OR he uses Kidomaru's web to trap Deva Path while he's being pulled in OR he uses Jidanbo's Earth Release to create a wall to jump off of OR Kabuto lets himself get grabbed by Preta Path then sheds his skin while Preta tries to hold him and kills Preta while he scrambles to react OR he uses Kimamaro's finger bullets and fires them at high speeds into Deva's skull during the five second recovery period OR...

On top of that Kabuto has more intel than anyone else in the ninja world and he's brilliant, he would figure out Pain's abilities much faster than Pain would figure out his, and he most likely already knew some of Rinnegan's abilities from his research with Edo Tensei and Oro.

Have I made my point.

If anything, Kabuto is being overestimated. Since when does he absorb damage? Anyway, that's not saving him from Human Path's Soul Suck. If Kabuto tries to react, Deva will dodge him or ST him. He's handled multiple attacks coming around him from all angles, including a sneak attack from Kakashi. He can dodge Kabuto without much difficulty, since he's faster than him. Like I said, Preta absorbs everything Kabuto tries to do to escape. Shedding his skin won't save him since Preta can stop it, and even if he escapes he is left vulnerable to Asura's missile spam. Tell me how Pain will fail to react to finger bullets. Even PTS Gaara was able to react to them, and Pain kept up with KN6 which puts him FAAAR above anything Kabuto has done. He has nothing that is capable of hurting Pain.

Tell me how he will gain knowledge of Pain when Jiraiya couldn't despite him teaching him jutsu in the past. Plus, What do Rinnegan abilities have to do with the research involving Oro and Edo Tensei?

[321zigzag3]

Kabuto is best using White Rage tecnique or Demonic Flute.

He is also best trying to utilize what he did against the brothers, utilizing Sound 5 abilities to overwhelm Pain from a distance although Pain excels this as well.

Now if he has prep for Edo Tensei he wins easily but regardless.


One of the reasons Kabuto is dangerous though is because of he is much harder to kill.

He can liquify himself, heal himself through Karin's and sage enhanced ability, and regenerate.

[megabbaut]

However, Pain is not the Uchiha Brothers. Kabuto was just a terrible matchup for them, and any Uchiha in general. Most of the Sound 5 abilities are chakra based and Preta can absorb them. I can agree that Kabuto would win with prep for Edo Tensei, but without it Pain wins.

Most of the abilities would be cancelled by Preta though.

[Kuromaki]

Preta can't absorb sound

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

If anything, Kabuto is being overestimated. Since when does he absorb damage? Anyway, that's not saving him from Human Path's Soul Suck. If Kabuto tries to react, Deva will dodge him or ST him. He's handled multiple attacks coming around him from all angles, including a sneak attack from Kakashi. He can dodge Kabuto without much difficulty, since he's faster than him. Like I said, Preta absorbs everything Kabuto tries to do to escape. Shedding his skin won't save him since Preta can stop it, and even if he escapes he is left vulnerable to Asura's missile spam. Tell me how Pain will fail to react to finger bullets. Even PTS Gaara was able to react to them, and Pain kept up with KN6 which puts him FAAAR above anything Kabuto has done. He has nothing that is capable of hurting Pain.

Tell me how he will gain knowledge of Pain when Jiraiya couldn't despite him teaching him jutsu in the past. Plus, What do Rinnegan abilities have to do with the research involving Oro and Edo Tensei?

Since when does he absorb damage?

Since Part 1 when he survived a direct hit from Rasengan, now he has hydrification technique and Karin's regen to add to his own, he is not dying by physical means.

Shedding his skin works fine. Yamato's wood release retained Kabuto even more efficiently wrapping his head and upper body. Susano'o had Kabuto in a vice grip way stronger than anything Preta Path can do and Kabuto easily summons powerful snakes from his hands and has a tail, there is no way Preta Path is holding him.

Deva Path is not faster than Kabuto. Kabuto outclassed Sasuke and Itachi in speed, those are essentially the highest tier of speedsters behind bijuu cloak users and speed legends like A, Minato, TRK, Gates Gai, and Naruto. Kabuto was dodging their attacks with his eyes closed. Deva Path got owned in taijutsu by Naruto twice. Sage Mode owns Deva Path.

You only addressed one of the many strategies I proposed. Pain was shown to be vulnerable to attacks from underground our surprise attacks during his recovery period. All Kabuto has to do is time his attacks and he'll be fine.

You've ignored the sound genjutsu which essentially puts this thread to rest.

How will he have intel? Seriously, he already figured out most of the Rinnegan abilities. He and Oro researched the Rinnegan thoroughly and before Madara was even revived Kabuto had figured out what was on the secret Uchiha scroll that said MS evolved to EMS. He has intel on all the Akatsuki that Oro amassed over the years.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Since when does he absorb damage?

Since Part 1 when he survived a direct hit from Rasengan, now he has hydrification technique and Karin's regen to add to his own, he is not dying by physical means.

Shedding his skin works fine. Yamato's wood release retained Kabuto even more efficiently wrapping his head and upper body. Susano'o had Kabuto in a vice grip way stronger than anything Preta Path can do and Kabuto easily summons powerful snakes from his hands and has a tail, there is no way Preta Path is holding him.

Deva Path is not faster than Kabuto. Kabuto outclassed Sasuke and Itachi in speed, those are essentially the highest tier of speedsters behind bijuu cloak users and speed legends like A, Minato, TRK, Gates Gai, and Naruto. Kabuto was dodging their attacks with his eyes closed. Deva Path got owned in taijutsu by Naruto twice. Sage Mode owns Deva Path.

You only addressed one of the many strategies I proposed. Pain was shown to be vulnerable to attacks from underground our surprise attacks during his recovery period. All Kabuto has to do is time his attacks and he'll be fine.

You've ignored the sound genjutsu which essentially puts this thread to rest.

How will he have intel? Seriously, he already figured out most of the Rinnegan abilities. He and Oro researched the Rinnegan thoroughly and before Madara was even revived Kabuto had figured out what was on the secret Uchiha scroll that said MS evolved to EMS. He has intel on all the Akatsuki that Oro amassed over the years.

Naraka Path (IIRC) also survived a direct hit from a Rasengan from Konohamaru. And he didn't suffer nearly as much damage as Kabuto did. And regeneration does not save his soul from being sucked.

If Kabuto sheds his skin, Deva can easily Bansho Tenin him back to Preta Path, or Human Path if he wants to end it quickly.

Like I said before, Pain was fast enough to evade KN6. That's a more impressive speed feat than you'll ever find for Kabuto in his entire career. Sasuke is not that fast, both Deidara and Tobi reacted to him. He was able to dodge them with his eyes closed because of his chakra sensing abilities in SM.

No he wasn't. Kakashi tried to pop out of the ground to surprise Pain, but he easily reacted and ST'd him. Even when he was vulnerable during his recovery period, Asura protected him and counterattacked with explosives, which will destroy Kabuto if he tries to use the same method.

Pain has faced sound genjutsu before. I doubt he'd let himself be caught in it again.

However that doesn't say the same for Pain's Rinnegan. It lets him control six paths, unlike Madara's which just let him use the abilities and stuff.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Naraka Path (IIRC) also survived a direct hit from a Rasengan from Konohamaru. And he didn't suffer nearly as much damage as Kabuto did. And regeneration does not save his soul from being sucked.

If Kabuto sheds his skin, Deva can easily Bansho Tenin him back to Preta Path, or Human Path if he wants to end it quickly.

Like I said before, Pain was fast enough to evade KN6. That's a more impressive speed feat than you'll ever find for Kabuto in his entire career. Sasuke is not that fast, both Deidara and Tobi reacted to him. He was able to dodge them with his eyes closed because of his chakra sensing abilities in SM.

No he wasn't. Kakashi tried to pop out of the ground to surprise Pain, but he easily reacted and ST'd him. Even when he was vulnerable during his recovery period, Asura protected him and counterattacked with explosives, which will destroy Kabuto if he tries to use the same method.

Pain has faced sound genjutsu before. I doubt he'd let himself be caught in it again.

However that doesn't say the same for Pain's Rinnegan. It lets him control six paths, unlike Madara's which just let him use the abilities and stuff.

You act like Deva can spam BT and that he reacts immediately to threats. Kabuto wouldn't run away. He'd shed and appear right behind Preta Path to kill him before the paths could react, just like he surprised Akatsuchi, Yamato, and Motoi or like he surprised Itachi and Sasuke.

I already gave a huge list of things Kabuto could do to avoid BT anyways you just ignored them all and started talking about the finger bullets.

It's not like he has a choice to stop the sound genjutsu. Kabuto uses white rage, uses Jidanbo's Earth dome to protect himself and them summons Tayuya and starts playing the flute...game over.

I already explained the counter to soul sucking. Kabuto is faster and stronger than Human Path and he has SM reaction and sensing abilities. On top of that he can summon powerful snakes to crush Human Path if it tries to get close.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

You act like Deva can spam BT and that he reacts immediately to threats. Kabuto wouldn't run away. He'd shed and appear right behind Preta Path to kill him before the paths could react, just like he surprised Akatsuchi, Yamato, and Motoi or like he surprised Itachi and Sasuke.

I already gave a huge list of things Kabuto could do to avoid BT anyways you just ignored them all and started talking about the finger bullets.

It's not like he has a choice to stop the sound genjutsu. Kabuto uses white rage, uses Jidanbo's Earth dome to protect himself and them summons Tayuya and starts playing the flute...game over.

I already explained the counter to soul sucking. Kabuto is faster and stronger than Human Path and he has SM reaction and sensing abilities. On top of that he can summon powerful snakes to crush Human Path if it tries to get close.

Well it's not like Deva will let him get away, nor can Kabuto can spam shedding his skin. If he moves behind Preta, he simply dodges him or blocks him. The other Paths can clearly see him and they share eyesight unlike the other people you posted.

I didn't ignore them, I countered them with the words "Preta Path absorbs."

And Pain just stands there doing nothing? There's nothing Kabuto can do once he's BT'd right off the bat, and anyway Earth Dome serves as extra coating for CT, by the way. Pain can't hear something that's all the way in the air and inside of multiple boulders of rock.

Kabuto isn't anywhere near Pain's speed, and unless Kabuto shows something that bypasses Pain evading KN6 as a speed feat, the fact remains that Pain is faster than Kabuto by a huge margin. SM senses won't help much and snakes are pushed away by Deva Path. He pushed three giant boss summons away and broke their spines, a snake is nothing.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Well it's not like Deva will let him get away, nor can Kabuto can spam shedding his skin. If he moves behind Preta, he simply dodges him or blocks him. The other Paths can clearly see him and they share eyesight unlike the other people you posted.

I didn't ignore them, I countered them with the words "Preta Path absorbs."

And Pain just stands there doing nothing? There's nothing Kabuto can do once he's BT'd right off the bat, and anyway Earth Dome serves as extra coating for CT, by the way. Pain can't hear something that's all the way in the air and inside of multiple boulders of rock.

Kabuto isn't anywhere near Pain's speed, and unless Kabuto shows something that bypasses Pain evading KN6 as a speed feat, the fact remains that Pain is faster than Kabuto by a huge margin. SM senses won't help much and snakes are pushed away by Deva Path. He pushed three giant boss summons away and broke their spines, a snake is nothing.

What are you talking about saying Preta absorbs doesn't counter anything. How does Preta "absorb" a bone field or a wall of earth or a net of web. All you did was read sentence or two and assume I was talking about attack ninjutsu. You haven't countered half of the things I said.

Kabuto can spam shedding as a matter of fact he did, he got his tail grabbed by Susano'o and shed, then he got caught by another move and shed a third time. He moves extremely quickly and catches people by surprise something you seem to be forgetting. When Yamato thought he had Kabuto captured the first time, Kabuto shed and swallowed Yamato whole before he could do anything. Kabuto could do the same thing to Preta Path if he doesn't decide to just kill him first.

Deva can't use CT without prep so that comment was pointless. What are you talking about the sound can't get out of the dome, are you ignoring basic physics. Sound travels through solids and it easily escapes the dome. Shikamaru walked right over to Jidanbo and started talking to him. I wasn't even saying that Kabuto makes the dome I was just saying he creates a wall to protect himself while he prepares the sound genjutsu which barely takes any time btw.

SM Naruto outdid the paths in taijutsu multiple times thanks to his sensing abilities and increased reaction time. Kabuto isn't as adept at taijutsu but he is faster than SM Naruto. And if you read the chapters carefully, Deva "evading" 6 Tailed Naruto like you keep claiming just involved Deva barely reacting in time to stop a TBB from killing him. He didn't dodge any attacks the fight consisted of him trying to do an ST, it getting shot back in his face, then using BT on a giant rock to mess with 6 Tailed Naruto's aim of the TBB. After that he ran into the forest with Naruto chasing after him. He didn't dodge anything all he did was run away, that isn't the speed feat you're making it out to be.

As for him dodging FRS he was a significant distance away, that is also a speed feat but not as impressive as Kabuto dodging multiple Susano'o arrows from close range, something Kakashi couldn't do. And Deva Path specifically complimented Kakashi on his speed and didn't want to get close to Kakashi anymore because he said it would be dangerous that's why he flicked the nail. Deva Path's reactions are nowhere near as great as you pretend they are. So let's tally the speed feats here

Deva Path:
Dodged FRS from about 100 yards
Ran away from 6 Tailed Naruto while preparing CT

Kabuto:
Dodged Susano'o arrows from about 25-50 yards
Dodged Chidori Sword easily
Dodged Itachi's sword strike easily (Itachi a known speedster as well and extremely skilled in taijutsu)
Surprised four jonin level opponents with his shedding
Surprised Itachi and Sasuke with his shedding resulting in Itachi getting cut in half

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

What are you talking about saying Preta absorbs doesn't counter anything. How does Preta "absorb" a bone field or a wall of earth or a net of web. All you did was read sentence or two and assume I was talking about attack ninjutsu. You haven't countered half of the things I said.

Kabuto can spam shedding as a matter of fact he did, he got his tail grabbed by Susano'o and shed, then he got caught by another move and shed a third time. He moves extremely quickly and catches people by surprise something you seem to be forgetting. When Yamato thought he had Kabuto captured the first time, Kabuto shed and swallowed Yamato whole before he could do anything. Kabuto could do the same thing to Preta Path if he doesn't decide to just kill him first.

Deva can't use CT without prep so that comment was pointless. What are you talking about the sound can't get out of the dome, are you ignoring basic physics. Sound travels through solids and it easily escapes the dome. Shikamaru walked right over to Jidanbo and started talking to him. I wasn't even saying that Kabuto makes the dome I was just saying he creates a wall to protect himself while he prepares the sound genjutsu which barely takes any time btw.

SM Naruto outdid the paths in taijutsu multiple times thanks to his sensing abilities and increased reaction time. Kabuto isn't as adept at taijutsu but he is faster than SM Naruto. And if you read the chapters carefully, Deva "evading" 6 Tailed Naruto like you keep claiming just involved Deva barely reacting in time to stop a TBB from killing him. He didn't dodge any attacks the fight consisted of him trying to do an ST, it getting shot back in his face, then using BT on a giant rock to mess with 6 Tailed Naruto's aim of the TBB. After that he ran into the forest with Naruto chasing after him. He didn't dodge anything all he did was run away, that isn't the speed feat you're making it out to be.

As for him dodging FRS he was a significant distance away, that is also a speed feat but not as impressive as Kabuto dodging multiple Susano'o arrows from close range, something Kakashi couldn't do. And Deva Path specifically complimented Kakashi on his speed and didn't want to get close to Kakashi anymore because he said it would be dangerous that's why he flicked the nail. Deva Path's reactions are nowhere near as great as you pretend they are. So let's tally the speed feats here

Deva Path:
Dodged FRS from about 100 yards
Ran away from 6 Tailed Naruto while preparing CT

Kabuto:
Dodged Susano'o arrows from about 25-50 yards
Dodged Chidori Sword easily
Dodged Itachi's sword strike easily (Itachi a known speedster as well and extremely skilled in taijutsu)
Surprised four jonin level opponents with his shedding
Surprised Itachi and Sasuke with his shedding resulting in Itachi getting cut in half

Every single one of those are chakra based. Which allows Preta to absorb it.

Unfortunately Kabuto can't catch 6 people by surprise especially when they all have their eyes locked on him and they share vision. If he eats anyone whole then Asura fires a missile at him, in fact it'll be pretty bad if Asura is the one that he swallows, since he'll blow up inside him.

If CT can't be used without prep, then summons keep Kabuto busy. And that example you made was totally different to what I was talking about since he's going to be miles suspended in the air. Reaching to Pain's ears will be his dream. If Kabuto is just creating a wall, then what's stopping the Pains from simply walking around the wall?

He mostly accomplished this thanks to his Frog Kata, and without it he wasn't doing much in a taijutsu fight. Also, here Kabuto is outnumbered and outgunned. Let's look at the chapters again, Pain reacted to KN6's attempted speedblitz with an ST, and running away from him long enough to activate CT. And by evading, I mean't the multiple chakra arms that were chasing Pain around the place.

Even so, it took under a second to get to Pain. As for Susanoo arrows, Kabuto didn't dodge them. he was hit by one of them and then shedded his skin or something IIRC.



You list is pretty faulty. The last two of Kabuto's speed feats are invalid, being that shedding will be useless here, and Itachi being cut in half was a blindside and came from behind him which is completely different from speed. And you didn't list Pain's impressive reaction feat of using ST on a rushing KN6.