Spoiler Possibility: Kakashi's Mangekyou Awakening! & Madara's Rinnegan Awakening!

[kalmeast]

This may be far-fetched so bare wit me...it does have logic though. It's a thought that just struck me a minute ago.

So we got tired of figuring out kakashi's MS awakening...here's food for thought.

* Advantages of implanting another's (friend's or brother's) sharingan
- Obito said to Kakashi, "i shall be your eyes"... "from now on, I shall see the future"
- When Kakashi got Obito's sharingan, although Obito was layin under a rock where he couldn't see behind the boulder,(chp 244 pg 5,) the bad guy after clashing wit Kakashi got up, Rin got scared but Obito told her to relax...that Kakashi was alright, as if he could see what was goin on,...

**So where I'm i goin with this? I'm thinking that once the sharingan is planted, some of Obito's consciousness remained within Kakashi left eye sharingan. So that when Itachi put Kakashi into a comma, (temporal death) for two weeks, That consciousness in Obito's sharingan experienced the lost of Kakashi and thus the Mangekyou awakened. (Ppl say it's because Kakashi lost obito, but if this was the case, he should have awakened the MS long time ago)...The encounter with Itachi was the real thing.[/COLOR]

***Now, Since Madara already had EMS (Izuna's Eyes), if we use the same theory above, this would mean that when Hashirama killed Madara (perhaps temporary death), the consciousness of Izuna's eyes reacted the same way as Obito's did Kakashi, and awakened the next power Rinnegan causing Madara to come back to life.

****So Where I'm I going with this? Think about Itachi and Sasuke now? what'd happen if Sasuke Dies? I'll leave it as that...
leave a comment if u luv this theory

[Wooster]

Madara gaining Nagato's powers by retcon was such crap. But I explained all this in my other thread.

[JashinSama]

Kalmeast, you're a freaking genius. It would be epic if Sasuke died and was revived with Rinnegan powers.

This also coincides with my theory of how Kakashi gained MS a different way than the others...

He achieved it by transplanting the eye, and then the eye (obito's) experienced the tragedy. So it wasn't the normal, kill then transplant, it was transplant then kill.

And because it was his friend's eye to see for him, it was Kakashi who died, and instead of him just dying, Obito saw that and granted him MS OR EMS if he doesn't get blind, because the transplant was involved.

So it's really cool when you think about it.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

^ that.

This is really awesome, not far-fetched at all and makes sense / is logical.
Which was it?
Strike VI.

yes , kalmeast strikes again episode VI.

[TatsumiTora]

You are definitely a genius! This does make sense... A theory that I am happy to read *thumbs up*... That is a very logical way of how Sasuke would end up having the Rinnegan...

So, does the theory that to awaken the Rinnegan you need both the Senju and Uchiha DNA still apply? XD LOL Just asking.

[kalmeast]

Thanks guys

Originally Posted by TatsumiTora

You are definitely a genius! This does make sense... A theory that I am happy to read *thumbs up*... That is a very logical way of how Sasuke would end up having the Rinnegan...

So, does the theory that to awaken the Rinnegan you need both the Senju and Uchiha DNA still apply? XD LOL Just asking.

yea, since we have no info whatsoever, this is the most logical idea...as for needing senju powers to awaken rinnegan, i think not but to effectively wield it, i think yes because uchiha's dont have that much chakra quantity to wield the rinnegan effectively. Think about the exhaustion the mere sharingan exerts, how much more Rinnegan?

[TatsumiTora]

^ Just pure awesomeness. How did you even think of this? I are amazed. XD

[Naruske Uzuchi]

So where I'm i goin with this? I'm thinking that once the sharingan is planted, some of Obito's consciousness remained within Kakashi left eye sharingan. So that when Itachi put Kakashi into a comma, (temporal death) for two weeks, That consciousness in Obito's sharingan experienced the lost of Kakashi and thus the Mangekyou awakened. (Ppl say it's because Kakashi lost obito, but if this was the case, he should have awakened the MS long time ago)...The encounter with Itachi was the real thing.

It didn't say how Kakashi got the MS and even if it was true then Kakashi should of awaken it in pre-time skip. I mean there were a lot of times for Kakashi to use MS before time-skip.

Now, Since Madara already had EMS (Izuna's Eyes), if we use the same theory above, this would mean that when Hashirama killed Madara (perhaps temporary death), the consciousness of Izuna's eyes reacted the same way as Obito's did Kakashi, and awakened the next power Rinnegan causing Madara to come back to life.

There's a difference between normal Sharingan and EMS. To awaken MS you need another person eye that has MS, and there is a huge difference between just Sharingan and EMS, although we haven't seen it in battle yet... which makes me wonder

meh, I'm not sure but Izuna probably doesn't exit in Madara conscious.

the consciousness of Izuna's eyes reacted the same way as Obito's did Kakashi, and awakened the next power Rinnegan causing Madara to come back to life.

Not sure what you mean by this, but aren't you forgetting Tobi? He also have Sharingan and Rinnegan then again, we barely know anything about Tobi. But exactly how would Rinnegan make come back to life? Also, technically Madara is like a zombie so he truly isn't alive

[kalmeast]

^coordinate your thoughts better before addressing my post...

[BelieveIt]

Hmm, good theory! Makes sense!!

[Maruko]

Finally a good theory here! You are the man!
I wish i could rep you up but my rep power is weak,just like Sasuke's Tsukuyomi!

[K3nsh!n]

Basically you mean that transplanted sharingan retains the some of the original owner's consciousness.
And if this consciousness suffers extreme pain/suffering it can cause the said sharingan to evolve to the next level?
Then, does this mean that Senju/Uzumaki DNA is not necessary for Rinnegan?

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Hmm..this is a good speculation.
But ya, like what you said about Kakashi and his sharingan, if that were the case, then he should've gotten MS a while ago. But that was part 1, there was only little info about the MS.

[kalmeast]

^that's true, there is little info about MS in part one but then again after Kakashi came out from the coma, he didn't have any battle so we wouldn't know if he had gotten it yet...for all we know he did get it then but needed time to train it. Even in early part 2 he hadn't still mastered it yet.

@Kensh!n, yea, that could be the case, i somewhat believe the senju/uzumaki is needed to be able to wield the rinnegan effectively. Remember, the older son inherited it without being a senju and if senju was needed to awaken it, that would mean madara had hashi's powers b4 awakening the rinnegan and if he did, how come he nvr used mokuton until now... in the nut shell, even though he possessed Hashi's dna, he hadn't incorporated it into himself yet to be able to use it.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Hmm..could be possible that he didn't know that he awakened it at that time
For sure during the time skip, he got the MS and used/practiced using it. hmm..what if it evolves into rinnegan~? that'd be awesome~

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Also, if Sasuke dies, Itachi activates his supa POWERZZ .. Itachi + EMS + ET = legend.
He won't care about getting blind if he uses Tsukuyomi and Susano'o too much.
Then even Madara will have to take him seriously.

[JashinSama]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

Also, if Sasuke dies, Itachi activates his supa POWERZZ .. Itachi + EMS + ET = legend.
He won't care about getting blind if he uses Tsukuyomi and Susano'o too much.
Then even Madara will have to take him seriously.

Eternal Guardian of Konoha.

EGK.

[Mikahel]

Since this is a Sharingan thread I might as well ask my questions here:

1. How is it Tobi's sharingan has that teleportation jutsu? I believe Tobi doesn't possess the Mangekyou sharingan so how does he have this ability. I thought the normal sharingan was only able to see chakra and read enemy movements and copy techniques.

2. Is Kakashi going to go blind or not because he knew about Itachi's eye sight so I presume he must have known the effects of the Mankeyou, yet he still uses it and his Sharingan seems to be fine.

3. Also does anyone think it is possible for Kakashi to awaken Susanoo? I think I'd go crazy if Kishi introduces a Susanoo Kakashi (it could be blue) with a sword that resembles his fathers white chakra blade.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Mikahel

Since this is a Sharingan thread I might as well ask my questions here:

1. How is it Tobi's sharingan has that teleportation jutsu? I believe Tobi doesn't possess the Mangekyou sharingan so how does he have this ability. I thought the normal sharingan was only able to see chakra and read enemy movements and copy techniques.
we don't know if Tobi doesn't have MS or NOT, but if we make a few deductions
i. Itachi when he met sasuke during their final battle was able to confirm right away sasuke didn't have MS just by lookin at him... He also knew right away the 2nd time he met Kakashi that kakashi had... so if Tobi didn't have it, Itachi would know and not say otherwise.
ii. With Tobi inclination for haxness, i doubt he'd be walking around with only a normal sharingan when he knows the existence of MS or EMS

2. Is Kakashi going to go blind or not because he knew about Itachi's eye sight so I presume he must have known the effects of the Mankeyou, yet he still uses it and his Sharingan seems to be fine.
Unlike Madara and Itachi, Kakashi hasn't used his MS as often. Think of Itachi's need to use his MS during the entire massacre, this should place a lotta stress on it, perhaps even more than kakashi has used the entire time. u're right, the fact that he knew about itach's eyesight must mean he had a taste of that experience.

3. Also does anyone think it is possible for Kakashi to awaken Susanoo? I think I'd go crazy if Kishi introduces a Susanoo Kakashi (it could be blue) with a sword that resembles his fathers white chakra blade.
Hell no...u need the PAIR of MS to awaken susanoo...kakashi only has one which means it's impossible.

in blue

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

"Hell no...u need the PAIR of MS to awaken susanoo...kakashi only has one which means it's impossible."

Indeed true, you do need a pair. But Kishi likes getting of course / out of order
Also, maybe a overuse of the MS would enable Susano'o?