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Old 01-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #41
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Considering even when slowed down it still was felt a massive distance away.
It was actually said to of created earthquakes but they were probably very light. Its best feat was turning the other meteor to basically debris even when slowed.
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That means what exactly in a world where fishmane who live in that pressure are still massively weaker by the story standards. It just means that it was built from a tree that was made to withstand such pressure. Nothing about it made it special except for it's size. Everything about is unknown. Completely unquantifiable.
right... fishmen who is canonically 10 times stronger than normal humans... and if you admit that the wood is durable enough to withstand such pressure then it is not normal wood... and like i said, it crashed through a rock formation with no damage... testifying to its durability...

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You try again a building durability especially in op is extremely weak. Can't even withstand a cannonball. Said rock gravitation was completely taken away from it by the Tsuchikage. Who by the way manipulates gravity. So it not having a gravitional core is extremely false. Considering even when slowed down it still was felt a massive distance away.
LOL... so real buildings can withstand cannonballs now? and no... madara's rock is made up of pure rock... hence it would have no gravitational core that would pull itself together which is why another object crashing into it can easily split it or make shatter...
and the rocks where felt a massive distance away because there was a second rock that madara that fell the first that onoki was unprepared for...
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right... fishmen who is canonically 10 times stronger than normal humans... and if you admit that the wood is durable enough to withstand such pressure then it is not normal wood... and like i said, it crashed through a rock formation with no damage... testifying to its durability...
Point being still doesn't change the fact the majority of them get slaughtered quite easily. Case and point arlong. Also never said the wood was normal. Just stating that it's durability and threshold is unknown. The even if that was the case Luffy didn't even damage that much of it.



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LOL... so real buildings can withstand cannonballs now? and no... madara's rock is made up of pure rock... hence it would have no gravitational core that would pull itself together which is why another object crashing into it can easily split it or make shatter...
and the rocks where felt a massive distance away because there was a second rock that madara that fell the first that onoki was unprepared for...
Pretty much they can. Depands on what building. Also the rock shattered because it was hit by an object with a greater force. It was at a stand still vs an object moving at a greater speed. The stronger of the two forces won it's just that simple.
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canon fire yeah..sure a modern sky scraper would take damage but not fall

OP canons however behave more like Civil War era - WW1 era heavy artillery shells which is a fair bit nastier..and should level a modern building..granted it would take allot depending on just how well OP canon balls stack up to the higher caliber shells of the early industrial era
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slaughtered by the strawhats... who have all upped their tiers after the timeskip...
noa is at least more durable than modern day standard subs at that depth and the rock formations, irregardless of the material its built on...

and like i said, 3rd gear was enough to destroy large buildings which are made of concrete and steel... questioning the durability of OP buildings is a bit of outstretched downplaying...

i'm not saying one cannonball would level a building since in OP it hardly works that way as well... but standard real life buildings will get holes on the wall on taking cannonball fire... remember buster call was an attack purely made of cannonball spamming...

also, the rock was shattered because it was hit by a same sized object that was falling on the same speed as the original one... had it been going at high speed then the rock should have exploded in mid-air upon impact, there is a panel the second meteor cracked on top of the debris of the first meteor already settled on the ground.... anyway, this is already off-topic... i still stand by my claim... SHC won't be soloing due to stamina... they're not on that level yet.. though they could take out majority of the characters with only the bijuu being the main problem...
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canon fire yeah..sure a modern sky scraper would take damage but not fall

OP canons however behave more like Civil War era - WW1 era heavy artillery shells which is a fair bit nastier..and should level a modern building..granted it would take allot depending on just how well OP canon balls stack up to the higher caliber shells of the early industrial era
You be quiet I knew that. I just didn't want anyone to actually bring that fact up. The fact they practically leveled an island already was a blatant hole in my arguement but he didn't know that.
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slaughtered by the strawhats... who have all upped their tiers after the timeskip...
noa is at least more durable than modern day standard subs at that depth and the rock formations, irregardless of the material its built on...
Once again even if that was the case Luffy hardly put a dent in it.

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and like i said, 3rd gear was enough to destroy large buildings which are made of concrete and steel... questioning the durability of OP buildings is a bit of outstretched downplaying...
Once again gear 3 never brought down a building. It busted one up. But it was the cause of the destruction.

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i'm not saying one cannonball would level a building since in OP it hardly works that way as well... but standard real life buildings will get holes on the wall on taking cannonball fire... remember buster call was an attack purely made of cannonball spamming...
It was more than just canons it was more compared to mortars. But that is beside the point for the simple reason the straw hats haven't shown that level of destruction. Not even close to it.

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also, the rock was shattered because it was hit by a same sized object that was falling on the same speed as the original one... had it been going at high speed then the rock should have exploded in mid-air upon impact, there is a panel the second meteor cracked on top of the debris of the first meteor already settled on the ground.... anyway, this is already off-topic... i still stand by my claim... SHC won't be soloing due to stamina... they're not on that level yet.. though they could take out majority of the characters with only the bijuu being the main problem...
The first part the meteor was practically neutralized by Onoki and Gaara. The second one complety hammered it. Also never said it was moving at high speed. If I did I meant it was moving at a greater speed than the first one. If it was a real meteor it of course would have broken apart at a fast enough speed. It's element is unknown.
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Once again even if that was the case Luffy hardly put a dent in it.
you are contradicting a direct observation by the seakings who admitted that luffy was destroying noa...


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Once again gear 3 never brought down a building. It busted one up. But it was the cause of the destruction.
yes it did... there is panel evidence of it.. the first time he used it against lucci... anyone can check it easily...


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that's not the point... you were downplaying building durability in OP that in turn downplays feats from OP... a cannonball fired to a real life building will damage the building considerably...

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The first part the meteor was practically neutralized by Onoki and Gaara. The second one complety hammered it. Also never said it was moving at high speed. If I did I meant it was moving at a greater speed than the first one. If it was a real meteor it of course would have broken apart at a fast enough speed. It's element is unknown.
it was made of rock...
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The first part the meteor was practically neutralized by Onoki and Gaara. The second one complety hammered it. Also never said it was moving at high speed. If I did I meant it was moving at a greater speed than the first one. If it was a real meteor it of course would have broken apart at a fast enough speed. It's element is unknown.
Obviously, the meteor was made out of pure adamantium.
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Obviously, the meteor was made out of pure adamantium.
Sure isn't but Luffy can't take it. Which is pretty much the moral of the story.
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Sure isn't but Luffy can't take it. Which is pretty much the moral of the story.
nahh... luffy can prolly bounce it right back... or he can do a plastic man gig and grow giant sized then just throw it to space..
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nahh... luffy can prolly bounce it right back... or he can do a plastic man gig and grow giant sized then just throw it to space..
Him not being able to pick up that mountain size bone in little garden say differently. He would die from the shockwave and impact.
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Him not being able to pick up that mountain size bone in little garden say differently. He would die from the shockwave and impact.
i was kidding dude... LOL...
but as stated before, a town size rock will succumb to a town level attack... 3rd gear punch was able to destroy building made of rock with steel reinforcements and hurt lucci who withstood cannonball fire from a few meters... haki-induced 3rd gear would be stronger claiming otherwise would be like stating luffy learning haki made him weaker than pretimeskip... which is a trollish claim...
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i was kidding dude... LOL...
but as stated before, a town size rock will succumb to a town level attack... 3rd gear punch was able to destroy building made of rock with steel reinforcements and hurt lucci who withstood cannonball fire from a few meters... haki-induced 3rd gear would be stronger claiming otherwise would be like stating luffy learning haki made him weaker than pretimeskip... which is a trollish claim...
A large town buster maybe.The size of the attack was never seen. All you seen was a blast and the planet trembling. Even a nuke can't be be felt several regions away. So it's power is unkown until they actually show it.

As for Luffy gear 3 it follows the same principal. It's probably strong enough to wound an Admiral doesn't mean I can make the claim unless it
seen. I say he coul solo oars jr.

Finally I am not serious at all. I could easily argue for the strawhats if I wanted to. I just choose not to.
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i was kidding dude... LOL...
but as stated before, a town size rock will succumb to a town level attack... 3rd gear punch was able to destroy building made of rock with steel reinforcements and hurt lucci who withstood cannonball fire from a few meters... haki-induced 3rd gear would be stronger claiming otherwise would be like stating luffy learning haki made him weaker than pretimeskip... which is a trollish claim...
its volume is far above town level like i was saying. it would only be town sized if it was pancake shaped.
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its volume is far above town level like i was saying. it would only be town sized if it was pancake shaped.
i already commented on that didn't i? a small mountain sized rock does not necessitate a mountain level durability... (1) real mountains are on the ground and are largely affected by gravity, it takes a lot more to destroy a 2.5km tall mountain than a 2.5 km rock on the air... (2) the falling rock has no gravitational core, which makes it easy to chip away.. a spammed attack will shrink the rock considerably even if we low ball each punch to building level attack...
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i already commented on that didn't i? a small mountain sized rock does not necessitate a mountain level durability... (1) real mountains are on the ground and are largely affected by gravity, it takes a lot more to destroy a 2.5km tall mountain than a 2.5 km rock on the air... (2) the falling rock has no gravitational core, which makes it easy to chip away.. a spammed attack will shrink the rock considerably even if we low ball each punch to building level attack...
That is still not to be proven. No matter how you look at it there was several factors that contributed to it's desruction. Also it's not a natural object so you can't 100% relate it to the real world. You can at most scale the object. 9/10 the manga artist will up the destruction or tone it down. Kishi did neither he cushioned the object through plot.

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That is still not to be proven. No matter how you look at it there was several factors that contributed to it's desruction. Also it's not a natural object so you can't 100% relate it to the real world. You can at most scale the object. 9/10 the manga artist will up the destruction or tone it down. Kishi did neither he cushioned the object through plot.
as far as panel goes, the 1st meteor was destroyed by the 2nd meteor... its simple as that... onoki and gaara was not trying to destroy the 1st rock they were trying to slow it down, so i don't see the "several" factors that contributed to its destruction... and there is a panel where it is seen that the second meteor already settled on top of the 1st... no one else attacked the 1st meteor to be considered as contributors to its destruction...
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i already commented on that didn't i? a small mountain sized rock does not necessitate a mountain level durability... (1) real mountains are on the ground and are largely affected by gravity, it takes a lot more to destroy a 2.5km tall mountain than a 2.5 km rock on the air... (2) the falling rock has no gravitational core, which makes it easy to chip away.. a spammed attack will shrink the rock considerably even if we low ball each punch to building level attack...
ah sorry, i thought you were still saying it was town sized. I don't know much about your second point so ill just stop.
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Default Re: Straw Hats vs. Narutoverse

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Originally Posted by Vashe View Post
as far as panel goes, the 1st meteor was destroyed by the 2nd meteor... its simple as that... onoki and gaara was not trying to destroy the 1st rock they were trying to slow it down, so i don't see the "several" factors that contributed to its destruction... and there is a panel where it is seen that the second meteor already settled on top of the 1st... no one else attacked the 1st meteor to be considered as contributors to its destruction...
Actually the fact the first meteor was at rest matters a lot. If they were moving at equal speed they would have basically just collided. But that was the case the second was moving faster and thus ripped through the first one. Gravitational core or not had nothing to do with it. Nor can it's durability be questioned considering they are.made from the same material.
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