Minato vs A

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by NBT

With prep,Minato places a kunai on the other side of the world,fight starts,A gets aa seal put on him,and gets a ring out.

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

Ok well based off what I know neither can make it to kage level unless they are the strongest in their village. From what I've seen A has immense strength but doesn't think things through hence him striking sasuke even though he was covered in black flames.

Minato on the other hand though not as strong appears to be smarter than A so that makes up for his lack of strength.

Does it take chakra for Minato to use those teleportig seals, that answer will help me make my decision.

see these are great posts even if DW doesn't agree with or fully understand the wya it works he's asked for clarification and then after getting some toughed it out and made an argument..a decent one too

[Wild Dark]

Hey somebody I still need to know if it takes chakra to use the teleportation seals to finish my thought.

[NBT]

A can think things out,but at that point he still thaught Sasuke had killed Bee so he just wanted to beat duckbutt's face in.You usually don't think things through when you're trying to bea the living h*ll out of someone.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by NBT

A can think things out,but at that point he still thaught Sasuke had killed Bee so he just wanted to beat duckbutt's face in.You usually don't think things through when you're trying to bea the living h*ll out of someone.

I understand that but it still proves that unlike Minato he can't keep a cool head.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Tobi threatened Minato's family from what I remember he still keep his cool and thought things out.

[NBT]

Good point.

[Wild Dark]

But I still need to know if the technique Minato uses requires chakra and if so how much.

[Wild Dark]

Ok since I haven't got an answer it can go one of two ways

1. If the teleporting requires as much chakra as A lightning armor does then it ends in a tie with A never catching Minato and Minato not doing too much damage to A.

2.If the teleportation takes little to no chakra then Minato tires A out until the Lightning armor is gone at which time he can barely move and Minato finishes off A with the rasengan.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Can someone please tell me why my post was deleted her and/or who did it?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Can someone please tell me why my post was deleted her and/or who did it?

I deleted it because it did nothing to contribute to the topic and only fanned the flames of useless griping

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

Ok since I haven't got an answer it can go one of two ways

1. If the teleporting requires as much chakra as A lightning armor does then it ends in a tie with A never catching Minato and Minato not doing too much damage to A.

2.If the teleportation takes little to no chakra then Minato tires A out until the Lightning armor is gone at which time he can barely move and Minato finishes off A with the rasengan.

But where is the proof that Minato can tire A out without ever being hit? Minato's reaction speed is slower than A's. In other words, A just needs Minato to make one small mistake to win; whereas, A can just sit back and wait.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

to be fair both of these guys seem to have monstrous stamina

the question is who has more of it..and I'ma go with the guy who's got more feats

[Wooster]

Minato has chakra stamina, but he hasn't ever really been knocked around much (besides when the Nine Tails stabbed him through.) You pretty much have to assume one decent hit from A finishes him off.

[PuffPuffPanda]

Originally Posted by Wooster

But where is the proof that Minato can tire A out without ever being hit? Minato's reaction speed is slower than A's. In other words, A just needs Minato to make one small mistake to win; whereas, A can just sit back and wait.

The problem with that is Minato teleported away and then teleported back to A before A stopped moving or could even turn his head to understand what was going on.

A has greater synapses but that's almost worthless against instant teleportation. And before you bring up Bee he anticipated the attack, and Minato never intended to kill him during any juncture of the fight. He respected the balance of the tailed beasts and the bond the brothers shared with each other.

Minato is literally an entire tier above A with Hiraishin on. We know he can make physical contact with A if others don't interfere. What's stopping this genius from literally sealing A forever with the Hakke, which sealed half the kyuubi or obliterating his insides with multiple Rasengans? A thought the 4th would be unsurpassed. There is literally no way he can win here.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Wooster

But where is the proof that Minato can tire A out without ever being hit? Minato's reaction speed is slower than A's. In other words, A just needs Minato to make one small mistake to win; whereas, A can just sit back and wait.

The reason I said that is because if the technique Minato uses takes less chakra than A then he could just teleport repeatedly. From what I've seen unlike A who may use quite a bit of chakra to move at that speed along with the chakra use for the Lightning armor if Minato only uses his chakra to teleport and avoid A then yes he can tire A out.

Remember unlike Minato A can lose his cool quite easily therefore is prone to make more mistakes than Minato who can remain calm in almost any situation.

On top of which as you've seen A doesn't have the patience to just wait for a mistake.

[Sage of the Six path's]

Originally Posted by Wooster

No, it wouldn't be easy. Even if Minato can avoid A, his reaction speed is still much slower. Don't really see Minato landing multiple blows before A whacks him.

Although, I do give DL credit for the tagging A idea. If Minato can do that, then he has a chance to win. But I don't know that you can tag the shield.

It's been shown in the manga A has no chance at hitting Minato. A surprized Minato with his speed the first time, but Minato still avoided his attack and kick A in the back and was about to stab him in the back, Bee used the eight tails leg to stop him. Minato avoided Bee's attack pushed off his leg and nearly cut the eight tails leg off at the same time tagged it.

Minato could have killed bee if he wanted to, but plot didn't allow it.

If it was a one on one fight Minato could have stabbe A and Tagged him at the same time then Minato could use the FTG and Attack A countless time slicing him with his kunai until he is dead.

[Wild Dark]

Ok before I go on I need to ask this because I've read the rules on this forum about 20 times but it seems I still don't understand.

In this debate we are arguing who would win A or Minato. Those who support A use the fact he has more feats so he wins. While those who support Minato mainly use the actual fight between A and Minato to support their claim he would win.

However some who support A call that fight pis so it can't be used but the feats A has can. What I need to know is how can Minato's ability and the fight with A not be used for him winning but A's feats can be counted for him winning even though they both come from the same source.

I really need this answered because I need to understand how debating works on this site.

[Super Sanin 3]

Basically, this site runs off the idea of "feats or gtfo", so to speak. A was implied to be in trouble when Minato went in for the kill, but many won't accept it here because he has not shown the "feat" of breaking through a defense as strong as Raiten armor. Would he have injured the Raikage? Probably if Bee didn't step in. We can't use it here though for the simple reason that is runs on things happening on panel; if you dislike this method then I'd advise another site like the NF. People are usually on or off about how to debate here so just saying.

[Wild Dark]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

Basically, this site runs off the idea of "feats or gtfo", so to speak. A was implied to be in trouble when Minato went in for the kill, but many won't accept it here because he has not shown the "feat" of breaking through a defense as strong as Raiten armor. Would he have injured the Raikage? Probably if Bee didn't step in. We can't use it here though for the simple reason that is runs on things happening on panel; if you dislike this method then I'd advise another site like the NF. People are usually on or off about how to debate here so just saying.

It's not that I don't like it I just want to understand how it works here.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by PuffPuffPanda

The problem with that is Minato teleported away and then teleported back to A before A stopped moving or could even turn his head to understand what was going on.

A has greater synapses but that's almost worthless against instant teleportation. And before you bring up Bee he anticipated the attack, and Minato never intended to kill him during any juncture of the fight. He respected the balance of the tailed beasts and the bond the brothers shared with each other.

Minato is literally an entire tier above A with Hiraishin on. We know he can make physical contact with A if others don't interfere. What's stopping this genius from literally sealing A forever with the Hakke, which sealed half the kyuubi or obliterating his insides with multiple Rasengans? A thought the 4th would be unsurpassed. There is literally no way he can win here.

So he be able to hit A once, maybe. What coudl he do to get through A's shield? One Rasengan wouldn't be enough as one chidori wasn't enough.

Minato would need to repeat this multiple times. Meanign of course A could anticiapte it eventually. Given A's strength, one attract from A probably finishes Minato.

The seal was also used on Orochimaru. It takes time and soul isn't immediately pulled out. This I think this is the only way Minato wins, but it isn't certain.

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

The reason I said that is because if the technique Minato uses takes less chakra than A then he could just teleport repeatedly. From what I've seen unlike A who may use quite a bit of chakra to move at that speed along with the chakra use for the Lightning armor if Minato only uses his chakra to teleport and avoid A then yes he can tire A out.

Remember unlike Minato A can lose his cool quite easily therefore is prone to make more mistakes than Minato who can remain calm in almost any situation.

On top of which as you've seen A doesn't have the patience to just wait for a mistake.

But A reaction speed is faster than Minato's. Remember Mintao just had time to teleport. If Minato tries your method, he has to continually avoid A without being hit.

But it doesn't matter if A makes a mistake, Minato hits A with his rasengan and A is protected. One attack from A kills or serverely injures Minato.

Again, he doesn't have to.

Originally Posted by Sage of the Six path's

It's been shown in the manga A has no chance at hitting Minato. A surprized Minato with his speed the first time, but Minato still avoided his attack and kick A in the back and was about to stab him in the back, Bee used the eight tails leg to stop him. Minato avoided Bee's attack pushed off his leg and nearly cut the eight tails leg off at the same time tagged it.

Minato could have killed bee if he wanted to, but plot didn't allow it.

If it was a one on one fight Minato could have stabbe A and Tagged him at the same time then Minato could use the FTG and Attack A countless time slicing him with his kunai until he is dead.

And Minato just had time to activate FTG. Meaning A's reaction speed is much faster than Minato's. Sure Minato could run away, but then he lose.
What attack of Minato's hurts A?

This is A not not KB.

And A's shield would have protected him countless times give A time to smash Minato in the head when he appears. Kunai's would do nothing to A, it have to be rasengan, those don't come chakra free after all. If Minato makes even a small mistake, he loses. Thus, A in all probablity wins.

Originally Posted by Wild Dark

Ok before I go on I need to ask this because I've read the rules on this forum about 20 times but it seems I still don't understand.

In this debate we are arguing who would win A or Minato. Those who support A use the fact he has more feats so he wins. While those who support Minato mainly use the actual fight between A and Minato to support their claim he would win.

However some who support A call that fight pis so it can't be used but the feats A has can. What I need to know is how can Minato's ability and the fight with A not be used for him winning but A's feats can be counted for him winning even though they both come from the same source.

I really need this answered because I need to understand how debating works on this site.

Those that claim PIS are playing with fire, Minato can dodge A plain and simple. A is still of course faster, but Minato can teleport and react to A as long as he is 10 meters away or so.

The reason Minato loses is because he does have an attack that can hurt A in any serious way.

To sum up, Minato reaction to A is legitimate to use, but to claim that means he wins is the over reach.

[Wild Dark]

My only thing is A is a hot head and the way you explain him fighting as if he could just wait is not shown at anytime. As soon as he thinks he has an opening he goes for it. you can't do that with Minato. Though his reaction is quicker if he still can't catch Minato then it still can be said that he can tire him out.

As we have seen A doesn't think it through and it's easy to say he'll get frustrated from the fact that he can't catch Minato and make a mistake.

Next it's only proven that his armor can protect him from chidori not rasengan, though it hasn't been shown that rasengan can harm him at the same time it hasn't been shown that it can't harm him either.