Minato vs A

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Wooster

But the Shikaku wasn't really that strong. True they were big. Doesn't that mean Gamabunta is weak.

Well, tanking no? It would send A flying. His armor protects him, it does make blows disappear. But it was a realively weak ST, but I won't go into my larger objects are hit as hard as small objects argument.

In the end, Gamabunta isn't that fast. He is not going to hit A at all. It could give Minato an opportunity to sneak up on A, but then we are at the rasengan impasse.

Depends as I mentioned before if Minato hits A with a seal like he did Bee he could essentially control A movements. He has shown multiple times capable of tagging individuals with his seals. A would essentially be unable to counter at all. That what makes this fight hard to just give it to either side. It all falls to the issue of Minato abilities still be relatively unknown.

[Wooster]

Control A's movements how? He could appear right over A ala Tobi, true, but I don't know how he hurts A.

All assuming Minato can tag A or his shield when it is up.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Just ignore cult of personality, because cult of personality is the biggest hypocrite I know.

Unless it works to his advantage it's irrelevant and uncanon and yet when this same hypoctie was on my thread he specifically told me that the only thing that was canon were things that had happened in the manga, but yet when the manga proves him wrong the suddenly it's irrelevant.

He sat there and tried to say that the house rules overturn what happened in the manga. but the house rule put down by the original poster is

Both sides are given full prep.
They start 1000 feet away.

Where does this say that manga feats are not usable? I'll tel you were nowhere.

It doesn't matter what you think if Kishimoto wrote it then it's canon, if it's in the manga it's canon.

You can't dictate what is or is not canon in someone else's creation. That's like me telling the creator of Blood+ that Diva didn't die just because she was my favorite character. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it, not the truth.

Do you have any idea what kind of idiot you'd sound like if you were on TV right now arguing with Kishimoto about what is or isn't canon in HIS manga when he wrote it?

It's already been proven in the manga that Minoto could have killed A so why even try to argue that fact. This isn't like my thread where Sakura and Hinata have never fought so it's put in the air and up for debate. This fight has already been decided and let's just be honest, from what they have shown in the manga A has not changed from when he fought Minoto.

And lets think about this as well, it's a one on one fight, the only thing that saved A from dying that day was B and not even that stopped Minoto, Minoto stopped on his own, he always knew that he could kill A, but he didn't want to kill A, he was trying to get him to figure out what B really meant to him before he became nothing more than a weapon. So with no B in the equation, what chance does A have?

In closing you can't argue with the creator, in the manga the creator is god, he knows all so just deal with it.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Just ignore cult of personality, because cult of personality is the biggest hypocrite I know.

Unless it works to his advantage it's irrelevant and uncanon and yet when this same hypoctie was on my thread he specifically told me that the only thing that was canon were things that had happened in the manga, but yet when the manga proves him wrong the suddenly it's irrelevant.

He sat there and tried to say that the house rules overturn what happened in the manga. but the house rule put down by the original poster is



Where does this say that manga feats are not usable? I'll tel you were nowhere.

It doesn't matter what you think if Kishimoto wrote it then it's canon, if it's in the manga it's canon.

You can't dictate what is or is not canon in someone else's creation. That's like me telling the creator of Blood+ that Diva didn't die just because she was my favorite character. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it, not the truth.

Do you have any idea what kind of idiot you'd sound like if you were on TV right now arguing with Kishimoto about what is or isn't canon in HIS manga when he wrote it?

It's already been proven in the manga that Minoto could have killed A so why even try to argue that fact. This isn't like my thread where Sakura and Hinata have never fought so it's put in the air and up for debate. This fight has already been decided and let's just be honest, from what they have shown in the manga A has not changed from when he fought Minoto.

And lets think about this as well, it's a one on one fight, the only thing that saved A from dying that day was B and not even that stopped Minoto, Minoto stopped on his own, he always knew that he could kill A, but he didn't want to kill A, he was trying to get him to figure out what B really meant to him before he became nothing more than a weapon. So with no B in the equation, what chance does A have?

In closing you can't argue with the creator, in the manga the creator is god, he knows all so just deal with it.

Again.

Originally Posted by NBT

So if Kishimoto says Naruto can casually destroy a multiverse with rasengan,despite it never being shown or even remotely implied in the manga,it's true?

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Control A's movements how? He could appear right over A ala Tobi, true, but I don't know how he hurts A.

All assuming Minato can tag A or his shield when it is up.

I mean if he can teleport a "hill" busting bijuu bomb from the 9 tails why not A. I mean with a thousand Kunai laid out he is essentially in his strongest form.

Though you are correct A shield is pretty strong. At most you can hope for is chakra depletion.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

So if Kishimoto says Naruto can casually destroy a multiverse with rasengan,despite it never being shown or even remotely implied in the manga,it's true?

Not in real life, but in the Naruto world, yes it would because once again it's Kishimoto's creation so anything that he says is true with in HIS Manga is true for his series.

So this is not even arguable.

However; Minoto beating A is not implied in the manga it is shown therefore it has already been proven.

[SimpleGenin]

Minato was able to react to A with relative ease. With the Kunai's ready for Minato's use I dont see how A can keep up. With no rep, this battle would be more interesting.

[PuffPuffPanda]

Originally Posted by NBT

So if Kishimoto says Naruto can casually destroy a multiverse with rasengan,despite it never being shown or even remotely implied by the manga,it's true?

Yes, it DOES mean that. What you, Cult of Personality, and Immortal Watch Dog fail to understand is that things don't have to make sense to be true in this manga. Most things only make sense because Kishimoto follows that structure of introduction, plot, system,etc. Ultimately, at the end of the day it's his work and anything he incorporates can be accepted as the only truth, not some fan generated rules that only wants to hear what they want to hear.

If he provides something ridiculous, then it's ridiculous. However nothing, and absolutely nothing, takes away the authenticity of the creator's canon word/work.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I mean if he can teleport a "hill" busting bijuu bomb from the 9 tails why not A. I mean with a thousand Kunai laid out he is essentially in his strongest form.

Though you are correct A shield is pretty strong. At most you can hope for is chakra depletion.

So basially,the only way Minato wins is ring out or an off chane A runs out of juice?

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Not in real life, but in the Naruto world, yes it would because once again it's Kishimoto's creation so anything that he says is true with in HIS Manga is true for his series.

So this is not even arguable.

However; Minoto beating A is not implied in the manga it is shown therefore it has already been proven.

And with that,you have officialy lost all rights to an opinion

[PuffPuffPanda]

Treating a manga like it's the Bible or the Constitution is terrible logic at best, pretending like everything has to make sense in order to coincide with your views.

The manga is anything Kishimoto decides it to be, it's a fictional piece of work that gets its creation and ideas from Kishi himself, therefore his word is final say on all matters where it's present.

Kishimoto says a man created the moon. So get over it he did.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Just ignore cult of personality, because cult of personality is the biggest hypocrite I know.

your edging dangerously close to flaming

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Unless it works to his advantage it's irrelevant and uncanon and yet when this same hypoctie was on my thread he specifically told me that the only thing that was canon were things that had happened in the manga, but yet when the manga proves him wrong the suddenly it's irrelevant.

So the Yata mirror vs Zarbons from dbz continent busting palm blast

what happens Kishimoto stated it can block anything: what happens?

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

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He sat there and tried to say that the house rules overturn what happened in the manga. but the house rule put down by the original poster is

this is a feat based debate system..get used to it or don't either way this is a vs debate forum..bawwing about the way things are is not going to do anything other then make you foolish

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Where does this say that manga feats are not usable? I'll tel you were nowhere.

there is a chain of evidence all fiction is beholden too on vs debate forums..accept this or don;t either way..stop crying

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

It doesn't matter what you think if Kishimoto wrote it then it's canon, if it's in the manga it's canon.

so the Yata mirror can deflect a continent buster?

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

You can't dictate what is or is not canon in someone else's creation. That's like me telling the creator of Blood+ that Diva didn't die just because she was my favorite character. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it, not the truth.

you know what's really awesome? We're not dictating what's canon we're dictating what can be used as evidence on this forum and nothing else

so epic strawman is epic

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Do you have any idea what kind of idiot you'd sound like if you were on TV right now arguing with Kishimoto about what is or isn't canon in HIS manga when he wrote it?

congratulations on utterly failing to understand what's happening here..congrats on using loaded language and a dishonest hypothetical to misrepresent the facts

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

It's already been proven in the manga that Minoto could have killed A so why even try to argue that fact. This isn't like my thread where Sakura and Hinata have never fought so it's put in the air and up for debate. This fight has already been decided and let's just be honest, from what they have shown in the manga A has not changed from when he fought Minoto.

this was proven by the naruto universe standards it was not proven by the standards of a feat based debate system that views fiction as a set of statistics and data on a sheet..and the arguments are based around that

we do not care what the plot dictates we care only about the characters consistent feats and nothing more

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

In closing you can't argue with the creator, in the manga the creator is god, he knows all so just deal with it.

in closing you and Panda are engaging in dishonest misrepresentation of how things are done here and using an imagined cruel rule to cop out of mustering an actual argument and to cry loudly


once again We aren't dictating canon we are simply demanding you adhere to a chain of evidence the same way a damn judge would

Originally Posted by PuffPuffPanda

Treating a manga like it's the Bible or the Constitution is terrible logic at best, pretending like everything has to make sense in order to coincide with your views.

go join talk naruto then..

Originally Posted by PuffPuffPanda

The manga is anything Kishimoto decides it to be, it's a fictional piece of work that gets its creation and ideas from Kishi himself, therefore his word is final say on all matters where it's present.

all fiction is beholden to a standard of evidence and a system that has been around for close to two and a half decades and has dictated every single vs debate on every single forum minus troll forums for years. Your dislike of this system is completely beneath our capacity to care

Originally Posted by PuffPuffPanda

Kishimoto says a man created the moon. So get over it he did.

show me it happening on panel or piss off

[NBT]

Originally Posted by PuffPuffPanda

Yes, it DOES mean that. What you, Cult of Personality, and Immortal Watch Dog fail to understand is that things don't have to make sense to be true in this manga. Most things only make sense because Kishimoto follows that structure of introduction, plot, system,etc. Ultimately, at the end of the day it's his work and anything he incorporates can be accepted as the only truth, not some fan generated rules that only wants to hear what they want to hear.

If he provides something ridiculous, then it's ridiculous. However nothing, and absolutely nothing, takes away the authenticity of the creator's canon word/work.

You're not even worth the time to facepalm.

Another example:If Kishi says whatshisface from the wave ark can solo the entire narutoverse,is it true?

[Nightmare Luffy]

I really like this panda guy. Thats my opinion 100% good job. Well I really would say more on it but he summarizes my opinions 100%, even the Hyuuga person with the Ino avatar so good job to both of you. I would say more as i said but it would just be redundant.

Anyway if kishi had said one of Shinos tiny bugs that was killed way back in part 1 could destroy the Naruto Universe if it had wanted to, then I understand that you could debate on it, but everything kishi has said thus far is actually reasonable & definitely not out of the question like some people make it seem. Even though puff panda is 100% correct & I cant really put it into words since he and Hotarubi Hyuga already did, its still nothing ridiculous like Shinos Fly destroying the universe these are all actually things understandable.

Really I have like no idea what huuuge debates going on in this thread or who even is debating for what side. but I saw you guys arguing on that & I really like the subject.


& actually, well nvm this threads pretty active Ill just wait until next post.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by NBT

You're not even worth the time to facepalm.

Another example:If Kishi says whatshisface from the wave ark can solo the entire narutoverse,is it true?

hey I have another one

Kishimoto states that the RS is god

he fights Odin from marvel

what happens?

[NBT]

Ain't you the guy that made the Konohamaretard vs. Superman thread a few years back?

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I mean if he can teleport a "hill" busting bijuu bomb from the 9 tails why not A. I mean with a thousand Kunai laid out he is essentially in his strongest form.

Though you are correct A shield is pretty strong. At most you can hope for is chakra depletion.

Yes, I forgot if this battle is prep or not.
I guess he could teleport A a few thousand feet up in the air and see how well his shield deals with that impact.

I suppose he could always spam teleport Gamabunta's attacks at point blank range. I assume A couldn't resist a few dozen of those.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

And with that,you have officialy lost all rights to an opinion

So why have I lost my right an opinion huh? because you know I'm right? Because you realize how stupid you sound telling the creator what is or isn't true in his work?

So what's next are you going to tell the creators of death note that the notebook doesn't kill people when write their names in it?

Are you going to tell the dinosaurs that they aren't extinct?

You can't change something just because you don't like it. 4+4 is nothing going to equal blue because you say so. Now if you were writing you own series then you could dictate what is or isn't true within your story, but you can dictate someone else's work.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by NBT

Ain't you the guy that made the Konohamaretard vs. Superman thread a few years back?

that would be a yes

Panda and Hyuuga make me want to make a Madara and Naruto verses Magneto thread

[PuffPuffPanda]

Originally Posted by NBT

You're not even worth the time to facepalm.

Another example:If Kishi says whatshisface from the wave ark can solo the entire narutoverse,is it true?

Dude, no one thought a single man could beat the 10 tails and split it into 9 beasts, and throw the body of said beast to create the moon. But Kishi made it happen.

No one thought there would be a being who could absorb all ninjutsu, destroy a village by pure gravity, or suck an entire person's soul just by touching them but Kishi made it happen.

The point is you would have never believed any of this nonsense and if you brought any of this stuff up before Kishimoto showed it, you would have been laughed at HARD. Guess what? Kishimoto made all the ridiculous abilities a reality, so you can sure as HELL bet that if Kishimoto said Zabuza > Narutoverse, you're going to have to accept it.

[Super Sanin 3]

I love how this became a battle of ideals rather than two characters facing off. Does this not insure a locked thread?