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Old 01-08-2012, 09:25 PM   #21
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sure why not
For the sake of the match, we need actual proof.

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also this guy fought Greg Paks masturbated embellished WWH and gave him problems
(Blaze) Ghost Rider did technically better but not so much, again the fight was pretty short.

Hulk did literally smash him unconscious.

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he solos the NU
With Zarathos, especially.

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he changed and repented? he still killed thousands of people and spent over a decade violently oppressing an entire city state
He revived Konoha and Amegakure feared him.
I think he is also referring to the whole "enlightenment" of Nagato, symbolized by his white hair or some crap.
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For the sake of the match, we need actual proof.
I know but given his other abilities it's not an unfounded claim

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(Blaze) Ghost Rider did technically better but not so much, again the fight was pretty short.

Hulk did literally smash him unconscious.
would Itachi have done any better? even Kishimotos author wank isn't on paks level


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With Zarathos, especially.
at one point in the early 90's they said he was a peer of Mephisto..I am glad this was retconned

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He revived Konoha and Amegakure feared him.
I think he is also referring to the whole "enlightenment" of Nagato, symbolized by his white hair or some crap.
his white hair means little in the way of his deplorable actions though

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What thousands did he kill? He brought them all back to life. Also the city state loved him and praised him as a savior and god. Salamander was the real dictator.
firstly that changes nothing he still did it.

the city state came off like being a citizen of Rome in the dark ages you had to praise god or be burned alive
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North Korea loved and praised Kim Jong-Il as a savior and god. Does that make him Mother Theresa
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I know but given his other abilities it's not an unfounded claim
Understood. Considering his Penance Stare even affected Doctor Strange to near death.

Its because the Paths are dead corpses as exchange. So thats why I am currently unsure. Is it possible may be but who knows.

Also you got to my skepticism, considering how uchiha supporters like to go on about Itachi's Tsukiyomi or genjutsu one shots Pain through from Paths to Nagato included.
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would Itachi have done any better? even Kishimotos author wank isn't on paks level
If Itachi had stood there like what Ghost Rider did without any protection obviously not.
If he activated Susanoo then who knows and I say this because that initial Thunderclap wasn't even close to being the strongest from the WW Hulk since he was just playing at first.

Itachi doing better? He wouldn't be pulling off what ghost rider did unless he decided to go Susanoo and use Amaterasu on him with Shadow Clones.

So it could be different and this is while Hulk isn't going all out, being non serious as he was against Ghost Rider until he smashed him.




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at one point in the early 90's they said he was a peer of Mephisto..I am glad this was retconned
How many hell lord rivals Mephisto did have exactly?

I also recall some didn't like Satannish being the "son" of Dormammu.



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his white hair means little in the way of his deplorable actions though
In buddhism if I recall, his state of white hair is a sign of achieving Nirvana or inner peace.
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firstly that changes nothing he still did it.

the city state came off like being a citizen of Rome in the dark ages you had to praise god or be burned alive
It changes alot that was a turning point in his character. Meaning he was no longer a villain. Which at the end of the day is reason why he is protected. Penance stare is judgement of a persons overall life. Meaning all actions come into question. The stare is only meant for evil indivduals who are truly messed up beyond repentance.
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Turning point schmurning point. Just because he wasn't a villain doesn't mean he was instantly Jesus H Christ incorruptible lamb of perfection.
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Pfft if killing an individual was enough to make you get ko by penance stare then the majority of marvel earth would get decimated. Heros get tagged with it multiple times and came out alright. It depends on how messed up you are. It has nothing to with being pure of heart or some bs like that.

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I remember the time Ghost Rider's Penance Stare backfired against Venom, probably because of the symbiote.
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Yep it does that alot.
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Understood. Considering his Penance Stare even affected Doctor Strange to near death.
he can manipulate the stare to attack the soul via his hellfire

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If Itachi had stood there like what Ghost Rider did without any protection obviously not.
If he activated Susanoo then who knows and I say this because that initial Thunderclap wasn't even close to being the strongest from the WW Hulk since he was just playing at first.

Itachi doing better? He wouldn't be pulling off what ghost rider did unless he decided to go Susanoo and use Amaterasu on him with Shadow Clones.

So it could be different and this is while Hulk isn't going all out, being non serious as he was against Ghost Rider until he smashed him.
Susanoo? He'd die violently and Hulk would have run through him in seconds he wouldn't have lasted longer than GR or even as long



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How many hell lord rivals Mephisto did have exactly?

I also recall some didn't like Satannish being the "son" of Dormammu.
going by feats? none now the fear lords nightmare and dweller are pretty up there

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In buddhism if I recall, his state of white hair is a sign of achieving Nirvana or inner peace.
that does not erase his sins

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It changes alot that was a turning point in his character. Meaning he was no longer a villain. Which at the end of the day is reason why he is protected. Penance stare is judgement of a persons overall life. Meaning all actions come into question. The stare is only meant for evil indivduals who are truly messed up beyond repentance.
he is guilty of atrocities and atoning for them with his life is not going to be enough
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he can manipulate the stare to attack the soul via his hellfire
I thought thats what Penance Stare always did?



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Susanoo? He'd die violently and Hulk would have run through him in seconds he wouldn't have lasted longer than GR or even as long
I only say that only because in that fight Hulk wasn't even being close to serious. He wasn't even trying to fight that time.

His initial thunderclap wasn't that powerful. Sure you can argue Ghost Rider absorbed much of the clap.

All Hulk did in that fight if I recall was.
Thunderclap.
Drag him into the subway.
Switch the chain from himself to the train.
Then stomp on GR.



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going by feats? none now the fear lords nightmare and dweller are pretty up there
Didn't classic Nightmare "subdue" Eternity into sleep?

Anyway you mentioned Zarathos being retconned, is that the one where he becomes the GOd's vengeance or something?
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he is guilty of atrocities and atoning for them with his life is not going to be enough
No more so than any other creature on this planet. Also atonement is a running theme in ghost rider and marvel heros in general. So yes giving your life up and atoning for them is more than enough. Such things as murder and past crimes is a fleeting concept in fiction. Wolverine a killer who's numbers is far above Nagato's is a mainstream hero. You are using real world views on crime and punishment with fiction. They don't go together at all.
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No more so than any other creature on this planet. Also atonement is a running theme in ghost rider and marvel heros in general. So yes giving your life up and atoning for them is more than enough. Such things as murder and past crimes is a fleeting concept in fiction. Wolverine a killer who's numbers is far above Nagato's is a mainstream hero. You are using real world views on crime and punishment with fiction. They don't go together at all.
umm the only people who surpass his kill count are SS commanders IJA soldiers..Islamic terrorists and Genghis Khans generals

you can argue because Nagato was retarded and mentally unstable that his guilt is lessoned and maybe so..at which point ghost rider can't soul him but he can vaporize him
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umm the only people who surpass his kill count are SS commanders IJA soldiers..Islamic terrorists and Genghis Khans generals

you can argue because Nagato was retarded and mentally unstable that his guilt is lessoned and maybe so..at which point ghost rider can't soul him but he can vaporize him
His kill count is questionable. The only on scene confirmed kills are kills of war. The individuals he attacked were equally guilty. The whole entire verse of Naruto is confirmed killers. It is all subjective.

Penance stare is only a kill shot if it can mentally break the individual first. Thus why I bring up the question whether he would stand up mentally to the shot or not. I say yes because their are individuals similiar to Nagato withstood it.
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that is true but his kill count in konoha included unborn children and kids training to be but not yet were soldiers.
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He is more charged for property destruction on that one. Also probaly guilty of causing some serious trauma. But if that was an serious offense the majority of marvel would be locked up.

Oh wait...they did have an civil war over this subject though.
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Which makes me wonder when Marvel will ever have a reboot.
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War schmar. Nagato attacked Konoha totally unprovoked and they acted to defend themselves. That's not the same thing as killing someone in the middle of a war.
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Which makes me wonder when Marvel will ever have a reboot.
no but that civil war was stupid

I mean it doesn't surprise me when Gingrich and the republicans won a majority election in the 90's the same author who wrote civil war got very frustrated and created a Swampthing comic book where he had Swampthing run around apologizing for being a weak ass hippy and how he'll turn the swamps over to the factories and all that environmentalist ranting when the fans wrote letters telling him to stop having a hissy fit..he wrote a huge letter in the following issue about how his readers were right wing retards not worthy of his glorious quality writing.

Basically he was butthurt Bush won reelection and decided to baww in an official marvel comic book because y'know it's totally legitimate to train wreck fiction because your pissed off your extreme views aren't shared by everyone

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War schmar. Nagato attacked Konoha totally unprovoked and they acted to defend themselves. That's not the same thing as killing someone in the middle of a war.
Wrong it's well within an individuals right to attack the village. For one you fail to realize that they are ninja villages. Meaning villages for training killers. Kishi just suck at story telling so people actually fail to realize this fact or they just forget it. They are all potentially assasins
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