jiraiya vs killer bee

[Nightmare Luffy]

Actually, if you see page 7 on the bottom left of top panel thats a cloud. Look closely hes still standing in the exact same spot nothing really changed. Good eye though

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

So what you're saying is, Jiraiya uses Swamp of the Underworld and Bee dies.

WHaat? no what i'm thinking is that jiraiya will swamp him, Bee will try to escape but nothing works, so he TBB's. The resulting explosion vaporizes the swamp, jiraiya and the toads and bee is left the victor.

[Cult of Personality]

No, see, Bee tries to use TBB, forcing him to use it on himself, thereby severely injuring himself, and then Jiraiya, having survived thanks to the noble sacrifices of his boss toads, reapplies the swamp. Or he just rasengans the weakened tailed beast.

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Actually, if you see page 7 on the bottom left of top panel thats a cloud. Look closely hes still standing in the exact same spot nothing really changed. Good eye though

All the hills around him have been whipped from existence, he was never moved the explosion just hit there.

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

No, see, Bee tries to use TBB, forcing him to use it on himself, thereby severely injuring himself, and then Jiraiya, having survived thanks to the noble sacrifices of his boss toads, reapplies the swamp. Or he just rasengans the weakened tailed beast.

He uses the TBB, The toads act like paper armor and get shredded along with jiraiya himself. And killer bee is probably unscathed perhaps damaged.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by Towerworld

All the hills around him have been whipped from existence, he was never moved the explosion just hit there.

? No there werent like I said. Read the page hes still on that small circle of land by all the water, theres a cloud obscuring your view of what was behind him on Page 7 that was the expanded explosion, its like youre saying that thats not impressive enough.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

wait huh? Chapter 430 page 2.. Dude you just said "Gamaken is not a boss toad" yet hes one of the three boss toads.

I thought you were talking about the two baby toads Naruto first learned to summon.

In fact Jiraiya did summon each and every 1 of those boss toads on screen.

Not a once. He has NEVER shown that.

Boss summon doesnt mean "hachibi level" anyway its simply a title & it doesnt make anything who isnt "boss summon" irrelevant. Even if you dont call Gamaken a boss summon(which he is as seen on the page I showed you, you agreed yourself) as its just a made up title, it doesnt change the fact hes Gamabuntas size and Jiraiya summoned him & totally not irrelevant.

Above. Jiraiya can only summon 1 out of those three. Boss summons are regarded as Boss summons because they are around the same size and strength.

Also, Shima summoned all 3 of those boss summons @ once let alone at all it doesnt make her irrelevant.

Wat???

Pa also isnt irrelevant on account of cutting through pipes & another huge summon like butter, and their combined frog song.

Jiraiya can't prep sage mode. Yes, they are irrelevant.

Totally not irrelevant actually Ma and Pa are older and more powerful than any other toad in the family including the boss toads.

Above.

You know, to add signing a contract means you can summon any toad in the contract as well even if you're not convinced, despite the fact Jiraiya already did on screen summon Gamaken, Gamahiro and Gamabunta who are all the same size as shown at the link above, and the fact you admitted they were boss toads!

Jiraiya CAN't summon all three neither two in one match.

So yes..Jiraiya already summoned 3 boss toads and for reference chapter 124 page 11 for gamahiro. Jiraiya vs Pain he summoned Gamaken and he summoned Gamabunta on the 3-way deadlock. And again you said the frogs summoned @ Naruto vs Pain were the only boss toads, each 3 locations youll see Jiraiya summon each of those toads. Not too mention summoning Shima who was the one to summon the toads to Naruto vs Pain, so even if he couldnt which I gave the exact pages and you admitted yourself, shima can do it too.

Above.

Anyway after directly contradicting yourself how does Hachibi move when theres 3 boss toads stabbing at him with swords, if he turns hell just run into a boss summon who has lethal weapons face to face..?

Above. As said before also. TBB incinerates it and any weapon it has. Jiraiya can summon more than 1 boss summon.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Lol I gave you page numbers & references where jiraiya summoned all 3 toads and then you just said "above" pointing to where you said "Jiraiya can only summon 1 of the 3"..so I think Im done with that..

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Lol I gave you page numbers & references where jiraiya summoned all 3 toads and then you just said "above" pointing to where you said "Jiraiya can only summon 1 of the 3"..so I think Im done with that..

Can you comprehend??? Show me one page where Jiraiya summons all three Boss toads at once.

It doesn't matter if he can summon one in different matches. This is ONE match. Jiraiya can't summon three Boss toads in one match. The only person in the manga who has summoned multiple Boss summons was the Paths of Pain.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Can you comprehend??? Show me one page where Jiraiya summons all three Boss toads at once.

It doesn't matter if he can summon one in different matches. This is ONE match. Jiraiya can't summon three Boss toads in one match. The only person in the manga who has summoned multiple Boss summons was the Paths of Pain.

How many times do we have to talk about this? lol

It doesn't need to be on a page. Use LOGIC.

Chakra+blood+hand signs(sometimes)=summon

If he has enough chakra to whip out other techniques after a summon, then he can summon another if he wants. Jiraiya made a huge-ass swamp, summoned something small, used Needle jizo, Toad flame bombs,summoned gamabunta and probably more that I don't remember. WHILE DRUGGED. He could barely control his chakra.
And Shima summoned Naruto,and 5 Toads, so yes its possible.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Can you comprehend??? Show me one page where Jiraiya summons all three Boss toads at once.

It doesn't matter if he can summon one in different matches. This is ONE match. Jiraiya can't summon three Boss toads in one match. The only person in the manga who has summoned multiple Boss summons was the Paths of Pain.

wait................are you serious right now? I dont mean to be mean or attempt to flame you or bait you or anything but I really honestly Im not sure if youre just trolling me & trying to make me mad or just trolling in general.

I gave you pages Jiraiya summoned all 3 toads, and has chakra to summon all 3 toads at 1nce. As I said before when you argued like basically the same silly stuff: Just because its not on screen doesnt mean its not true when it obviously is. What is next heroeking "jiraiya never killed a bijuu on screen so he cant beat Hachibi" "jiraiya never survived TBB on screen so he dies" Im surprised at what youre claiming here..

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora

How many times do we have to talk about this? lol

It doesn't need to be on a page. Use LOGIC.

Chakra+blood+hand signs(sometimes)=summon

If he has enough chakra to whip out other techniques after a summon, then he can summon another if he wants. Jiraiya made a huge-ass swamp, summoned something small, used Needle jizo, Toad flame bombs,summoned gamabunta and probably more that I don't remember. WHILE DRUGGED. He could barely control his chakra.
And Shima summoned Naruto,and 5 Toads, so yes its possible.

No that isn't logic. That's a false assumption. You guys always wanna make assumptions but if some else does it, then's it wrong.

Jiraiya doesn't have the "chakra" to summon all three neither two. He has neither shown that. That is also OOC. That is also a flase assumption.

In the three sannin fight, Jiraiya used gambunta summon, sotu, needle jizo, and fire dragon bomb. Wow........not really.

Stop using unjustified assumption "say so logic" just because you lack trhe evidence to support a claim.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

wait................are you serious right now? I dont mean to be mean or attempt to flame you or bait you or anything but I really honestly Im not sure if youre just trolling me & trying to make me mad or just trolling in general.

I gave you pages Jiraiya summoned all 3 toads, and has chakra to summon all 3 toads at 1nce. As I said before when you argued like basically the same silly stuff: Just because its not on screen doesnt mean its not true when it obviously is. What is next heroeking "jiraiya never killed a bijuu on screen so he cant beat Hachibi" "jiraiya never survived TBB on screen so he dies" Im surprised at what youre claiming here..

You got a problem dude. No, Jiraiya doesn't have the chakra to summon all three in one match. If Jiraiya was already in sage mode then perhaps you would have an argument.

And no, we don't agree to something just because "I say so." Going by your "say so" logic, the Hachibi can continously shoot TBB's forever.

.........You see, that's how you sound right about now.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Umm, why is that my logic? Nope I'm sure he could easily make 4 or 5 in succession but this is your logic: Hachibi doesn't have chakra to use more than 1 TBB. He only showed using 1 on screen so prove he can use more than 1 or else he cant.

[roullex uchiha]

This is a hard one
I really don't know

[Sovereign]

Sorry to but in, but I need to address some things here that caught my eye.

Originally Posted by heroeking

You got a problem dude. No, Jiraiya doesn't have the chakra to summon all three in one match. If Jiraiya was already in sage mode then perhaps you would have an argument.

Well, Jiraiya has summoned three toads in one fight whilst in 'base': Gamaken, Shima, and Fukasaku.

It's logical to assume that the two elder toads require more chakra to summon than your average toad judging by their status and the long process it took to summon them, so why couldn't Jiraiya summon Gamaken and than two other 'lesser' toads, if you will?

Now, if you want to argue if it's in-character for Jiraiya to summon three large toads, that's perfectly acceptable — I would even agree with you there. But there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to Jiraiya having the capacity to summon three toads, and that can't be ignored.

[paradigm1977]

So even if two boss (large) toads surround Bee, can they slice with their swords, if Hachibe tenticles are flying out his back to grab their arms?

In the long run, I see Jiraiya winning. But I can be persuaded regardless.

[Super Sanin 3]

Well the Hachibi is known for having his tentacles/horns get cut off. Seems kind of along the lines of Gamabunta's sword or Pa's steel-slicing tounge.

[Tenz]

If Jiraiya can get close to Bee, he can use Five Elements Seal to cut off Hachibi's chakra. Game Over.

[Lord Jiraiya]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Gamaken, Ma, Pa, are not Boss Summons.

Jiraya can only summon one boss summon.

Gamaken, Ma, Pa toads are irrelevant.

The Hachibi can move and use TBB.

He only needs one direction of TBB to totally incinerate a Boss Summon.

The three giant toads that were reverse summoned against Pain are the only Boss toads. And Jiraiya CANNOT summon more than one of those.

Ma & Pa are boss summons it takes Jiraiya longer to summon them then any other boss toad.