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Old 01-06-2012, 07:14 PM   #1
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So they're at the place where the team faced Kakuzu and Hidan the second time (in the forest)
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almost like this one.
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Yeah but I like Hebi Sauce better
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:27 PM   #4
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ok. Hebi Sasuke is like Red Bull. It gives you wings!!!
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Naruto vs Sasuke VoTe was really Kishi's werewolf vs vampire theme

On topic here I think this is a match where Sasuke would actually use Kirin IC because of Kakuzu's large Katon+Fuuton combos
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I think that he would too. That is if he has enough time to prep it. Perhaps kakuzu knows about Kirin since he is so experienced.
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Nah don't know about that, Sasuke might have invented it himself. Actually I think he may win with full knowledge in scenario 2, would be using his Raiten mask more. Although it WOULD be hard with Sasuke's speed, as Kakashi dodged it quite a bit. Still iffy on that.
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Sasuke will never be able to use Kirin in a fight even if he has prep. He has nothing to alter the atmosphere with. And it's not hard to dodge Sasuke's speed. He failed to blitz Deidara, base Bee, A, and Darui. Basically he can only blitz fodders
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And it's not hard to dodge Sasuke's speed. He failed to blitz Deidara, base Bee, A, and Darui.
Yeah because those guys are totally slow and weak right?
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Yeah because those guys are totally slow and weak right?
Just like Sasuke, right?

Well they're not really top tier speedsters.
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Just like Sasuke, right?

Well they're not really top tier speedsters.
Sasuke is weightless lee+, and with Shunshin he's alot faster. Maybe around 1st Gate Lee. But he never really uses Shunshin all that much onthe higher tier characters.

A isn't a top tier speedster? I'm pretty sure his title is "fastest ninja alive."
Alll those people you mentioned are high ranking ninja. They aren't gonna be blitzed so easy.

And Sasuke also blitzed Naruto,sakura,Sai, and Yamato, who aren't fodder.
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Sasuke is weightless lee+, and with Shunshin he's alot faster. Maybe around 1st Gate Lee. But he never really uses Shunshin all that much onthe higher tier characters.

A isn't a top tier speedster? I'm pretty sure his title is "fastest ninja alive."
Alll those people you mentioned are high ranking ninja. They aren't gonna be blitzed so easy.

And Sasuke also blitzed Naruto,sakura,Sai, and Yamato, who aren't fodder.
Kimimaru reacted to 1st Gate Lee, so he can probably react to Sasuke as well. And usually he doesn't do it because even he knows it won't work.

Well he was in base, and his FULL speed is probably in V2. And you really take his title "fastest ninja alive" true when you deny Tenten's knowledge of Kaiten? High ranking ninja? Kakuzu is in the Akatsuki, which is FULL of high ranking ninja.

Naruto and Sakura were tired from KN4. Not to mention they were all in a "omg it's Sasuke" coma until he attacked, so they weren't really concentrating. Not to mention that Sai stopped his attack, and by powerscaling Kakuzu should be faster than Sai. Yamato was trying to protect Sakura with a kunai, so really he reacted.
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Just like Sasuke, right?

Well they're not really top tier speedsters.
A and Bee are top tier. The rest are far from fodder. Name anyone who has fought multiple high level ninja like Sasuke has and then you can downplay him.
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A and Bee are top tier. The rest are far from fodder. Name anyone who has fought multiple high level ninja like Sasuke has and then you can downplay him.
While they are quite fast, they were nowhere near their full speed when Sasuke tried to blitz them but failed. Deidara and Darui aren't all that fast. Fighting against high level ninja is pointless if you just get your butt kicked by all of them. Otherwise Hinata would be just as impressive as Sasuke because she frought Pain.
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While they are quite fast, they were nowhere near their full speed when Sasuke tried to blitz them but failed.
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Except Hinata was effortlessly one shotted unlike Sasuke who was keeping up with most of them.
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V2 is his full speed, if not faster.

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Well neither of them have any good speed feats that I can think of that aren't including Sasuke who anyone who isn't fodder can react to.

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Itachi could've sealed Sasuke with Totsuka Sword, since that counts as a one shot. A could've went V2 off the bat and blitzed Sasuke, sine that counts as a one shot. Deidara could just C3 Sasuke, since that counts as a one shot. When Sasuke actually wins a fight without a major handicap, let me know. And Sasuke really didn't keep up with any of them. He either needed help from his teammates or had an opponent who was going super easy against him.
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Just like Sasuke, right?

Well they're not really top tier speedsters.
Bee and A are.

Darui and Deidara had the reactions although they are likely high tier speedsters.

If you have the necessary reactions you aren't getting blitzed so it doesn't take away Sasuke's speed it just dehypes him against people similar tier.

Vast majority in Narutoverse cannot pull off what Deidara did.

And even Deidara crapped his pants against Sasuke's speed on the ground.
Darui was unfazed however, showing he had superior reactions.

Bee and A are obvious.
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Bee and A are.

Darui and Deidara had the reactions although they are likely high tier speedsters.

If you have the necessary reactions you aren't getting blitzed so it doesn't take away Sasuke's speed it just dehypes him against people similar tier.

Vast majority in Narutoverse cannot pull off what Deidara did.

And even Deidara crapped his pants against Sasuke's speed on the ground.
Darui was unfazed however, showing he had superior reactions.

Bee and A are obvious.
Well they weren't even at their full speed, and that's the sad part.

Nah Deidara isn't really that fast. He failed to react to Naruto.

It totally takes away his speed. It makes us wonder why he's even considered fast in the first place.

By vast majority you mean the fodders of Naruto. Because Deidara couldn't react to lesser extends of speed, such as Naruto's punch. The blindside excuse won't apply here, because he got blindsided by Gaara's sand and still reacted. And there is a "vast majority" of people who can react to Naruto.

Does that even matter? The fact is, he FAILED, like he always does. Nah it was just a little surprise, nothing too difficult to comprehend and dodge accordingly.
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Kimimaru reacted to 1st Gate Lee, so he can probably react to Sasuke as well. And usually he doesn't do it because even he knows it won't work.I know. I think Kimimaro>Hebi Sauce.
And so he thinks running in normally WILL work? Makes sense.

Well he was in base, and his FULL speed is probably in V2. And you really take his title "fastest ninja alive" true when you deny Tenten's knowledge of Kaiten? High ranking ninja? Neji was the only genin from his year to make it to Jonin other than Kankuro and Temari who are from the sand. So he's basically the same rank as Guy, Kakashi, and Asuma. So the only reason he's strong at aall is because he has lightning armor? He's the damn raikage. Come on now. lol :P
Never denied her "knowledge", I only said that Gaara's sand improved after the chuunin exams.

Point? Darui is the Raikage's Body guard, along with being a jonin. He was CHOSEN. All of the other fodder jonin weren't, and there are a lot of fodder jonin that really can't do anything. Being a random jonin=Not THAT great. Being chosen to accompany and guard a KAGE to a meeting of the 5 KAGE, is that great.


Naruto and Sakura were tired from KN4. Not to mention they were all in a "omg it's Sasuke" coma until he attacked, so they weren't really concentrating. Not to mention that Sai stopped his attack, and by powerscaling Neji should be faster than Sai. Yamato was trying to protect Sakura with a kunai, so really he reacted.
So you accept Tenten's knowledge on kaiten, yet you deny even Yamato's, remark about his speed? Yamato even looked shocked. If he wanted to kill any of them right then and there, he could have. He could've just chopped their heads off.


They were staring at him,and talking to him.They had a whole damn conversation. They SHOULD have tracked him.
So Sasuke's casual sword swing=his shunshin speed...? Uh.. No... And Sai is fast. Sasuke barely even mvoed his sword from the last panel, and Sai already got in between him.Powerscaling? Wanna explain?

Sasuke was portrayed as being vastly superior to all of them. The tiredness was not factored into that fight. Well not so much superior Yamato since he said he was about to get serious..
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I know. I think Kimimaro>Hebi Sauce.
And so he thinks running in normally WILL work? Makes sense.
It sure does.

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So the only reason he's strong at aall is because he has lightning armor? He's the damn raikage. Come on now. lol :P
Never denied her "knowledge", I only said that Gaara's sand improved after the chuunin exams.
He's both strong and fast in base, but in lightning armor he is even faster.
You kinda did but this is besides the point lol

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Point? Darui is the Raikage's Body guard, along with being a jonin. He was CHOSEN. All of the other fodder jonin weren't, and there are a lot of fodder jonin that really can't do anything.
C was chosen as well, but he doesn't really excel in combat. So I guess he's fodder too. But fodders wouldn't even be jounins to begin with

But this is irrelevant to the topic. I edited my post too.

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So you accept Tenten's knowledge on kaiten, yet you deny even Yamato's, remark about his speed? Yamato even looked shocked. If he wanted to kill any of them right then and there, he could have. He could've just chopped their heads off.
When did I deny that? Also, he looked shocked because he didn't know Sasuke of all people was that fast. He underestimated him. I mean he didn't look shocked when Sai blitzed Sasuke and stopped his attack on Naruto. And if Sai was able to do it, then so would have everyone else at full strength.

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They were staring at him,and talking to him.They had a whole damn conversation. They SHOULD have tracked him.
So Sasuke's casual sword swing=his shunshin speed...? Uh.. No... And Sai is fast. Sasuke barely even mvoed his sword from the last panel, and Sai already got in between him.Powerscaling? Wanna explain?
That doesn't necessarily mean that they kept their guard up. Especially with the "omg it's Sasuke" coma. And that would have to be the case if according to you they could've chopped their heads off. Kakuzu blitzed Kakashi who is supposedly faster than Sai, and that's where the powerscaling comes in.

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Sasuke was portrayed as being vastly superior to all of them. The tiredness was not factored into that fight. Well not so much superior Yamato since he said he was about to get serious..
Yes it was. Not only was Naruto not doing a single thing, but he just stood there after Sasuke got next to him. Yamato was going to go serious but that's when Oro stopped Sasuke from using a certain jutsu.
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