Orochimaru VS Sasuke

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Susano'o is instant.

Susano'o easily trumps Manda and Hydra. Sasuke's susano'o has four arms which carry an ammy sword, a shield, arrows, and a bow.

Sasuke is faster than Orochimaru.

Sea of Snakes can't reach Sasuke while flying on a Hawk.

Orochimaru can't oral rebirth forever.

Susano'o arrows need "No" prep whatsoever.

Sasuke has huge amount of stamina.

Orochimaru can't summon rashomon fast enough to counter arrows.

And also no Mega is wrong. Orochimaru has no chance of beating Sasuke. Orochimaru couldn't even defeat base sharingan Itachi.

Sasuke can't ammy and shoot susano arrows as much as Oro can Oral rebirth because it is heavily sucking sasuke's chakra.

kuro...you say that sasuke is faster than KN4 o.O

Susano arrows need to set like every other weapon so that is the "prep"I am talking about,and oro can summon gates very fast even faster than it takes sauce to set an arrow.

How is Sasuke faster than Oro?

Sasuke can't fly on a hawk forever and if he flyes on it would he even be able to use susano'o on it?and Oro would most likely shot some of his techniques at him while flying.and when he drops he is dead.

He has huge amount of stamina but not enought for him to spam ammy and susano'o at the same time.and Oro has huge amount of stamina too and he has oral rebirth too so he can last longer than sauce.

I guess you are right about manda and hydra...sword has a chance of beating them ut arrows have no chance cuz they hardly lended a scratch on a rock bridge and manda's and hydra's skin is way harder than a mere rock.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Sasuke can't ammy and shoot susano arrows as much as Oro can Oral rebirth because it is heavily sucking sasuke's chakra.

Sasuke has huge amount of chakra and stamina though.

kuro...you say that sasuke is faster than KN4 o.O

Susano arrows need to set like every other weapon so that is the "prep"I am talking about,and oro can summon gates very fast even faster than it takes sauce to set an arrow.

The arrows were so fast Kakashi had to Kamui them. and Danzou was killed by one.

How is Sasuke faster than Oro?

How is Orochimaru faster than Sasuke? Sasuke has always been very fast, he blitzed Tobi and almost Deidara.

Sasuke can't fly on a hawk forever and if he flyes on it would he even be able to use susano'o on it?and Oro would most likely shot some of his techniques at him while flying.and when he drops he is dead.

Orochimaru doesn't have any technique which could reach Sasuke on the hawk except the Kusanagi. Sasuke can still use ammy while flying on the hawk.

He has huge amount of stamina but not enought for him to spam ammy and susano'o at the same time.and Oro has huge amount of stamina too and he has oral rebirth too so he can last longer than sauce.

He used susano'o and ammy against Raikage.

I guess you are right about manda and hydra...sword has a chance of beating them ut arrows have no chance cuz they hardly lended a scratch on a rock bridge and manda's and hydra's skin is way harder than a mere rock.

In white.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Orochimaru isn't going to automatically think "Oh, I should set up these gates even though I have no idea what his Susanoo is capable of" because he's not like that. Ch. 295 pages 5 and 6, he even waited to see what the Kyuubi was going to do.

I have yet to see where the 4 tailed fox is anywhere near Sasuke's speed, but in 295 page 12, the kyuubi is clearly just sitting there, while Orochimaru has his head suspiciously under the ground, positioning himself in front of it. Sasuke isn't that stupid, and even if he were, Susanoo's ribs activate quickly enough so that he can protect himself (476 page 6 for an example).

The difference is that Sasuke would be able to protect himself more often against Bee and he wouldn't have needed to heal, as you said. I'm not saying that would have made him win, but this has nothing to do with the Orochimaru debate anyway, so we should just drop it here.

That isn't Lariat it's just KB crashing into the ground. 464 page 14 shows Susanoo tanking a huge blast too, I'm inclined to believe that it can at least tank that.

So suddenly Orochimaru is blind and can't see the arrow that Susanoo is going to fire? Susanoo needs to get out an arrow and get it ready like a normal bow and arrow. It's not that hard to realze that he is trying to shot it at him.

He was speedblitzing Pain, who is very fast. And Sasuke's speed is kinda overrated. He failed to blitz Deidara, base KB, and even Darui. Orochimaru isn't stupid either, also he couldn't put them up before A grabbed him. A even had time to talk about Chidori and all, while Susanoo was trying to form.

Bee is using a V1 Lariat, so yes it is a mountain busting Lariat. And the moves used against Susanoo aren't as powerful as a menacing ball. They didn't even fire their strongest moves.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

kuro...you say that sasuke is faster than KN4 o.O

How is Sasuke faster than Oro?

I have yet to see otherwise.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

So suddenly Orochimaru is blind and can't see the arrow that Susanoo is going to fire? Susanoo needs to get out an arrow and get it ready like a normal bow and arrow. It's not that hard to realze that he is trying to shot it at him.

He was speedblitzing Pain, who is very fast. And Sasuke's speed is kinda overrated. He failed to blitz Deidara, base KB, and even Darui. Orochimaru isn't stupid either, also he couldn't put them up before A grabbed him. A even had time to talk about Chidori and all, while Susanoo was trying to form.

Bee is using a V1 Lariat, so yes it is a mountain busting Lariat. And the moves used against Susanoo aren't as powerful as a menacing ball. They didn't even fire their strongest moves.

Rashomon was only summoned for a massive attack he knew he was going to be screwed against, Orochimaru doesn't necessarily know the effects of his arrows, and if he does summon Rashomon, ok Sasuke just goes around it.

That was 6tailed Naruto, not 4 tails, who just sat there the entire time while his chakra arms did the work for him.

Those are more of good reactions on their part, that doesn't make Sasuke slow. He has, after all, been reputed as a speed demon. When he tried to blitz Deidara, Deidara even commented on how fast he was (357 page 11) and don't forget the time he saw Naruto again, he surprised all of Team 7 with his speed. He was able to consistently keep up with Killer Bee (411 pages 9, 15) even though in the end, Sasuke lost out to his unpredictable style. In 413 page 4 he dodges Lariat and KB compares it to the Raikage. I haven't seen Orochimaru doing anything as impressive so I would say that he loses in an all out Taijutsu fight.

Sasuke put Susanoo up just in time (463 page 6) otherwise A would've killed him.

Oh yeah he was using Lariat my bad, even then, that's not mountain busting.

So what if it's not as strong as a menacing ball, I was using that to counter your Lariat argument.

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

I have yet to see otherwise.

Rashomon was only summoned for a massive attack he knew he was going to be screwed against, Orochimaru doesn't necessarily know the effects of his arrows, and if he does summon Rashomon, ok Sasuke just goes around it.

That was 6tailed Naruto, not 4 tails, who just sat there the entire time while his chakra arms did the work for him.

Those are more of good reactions on their part, that doesn't make Sasuke slow. He has, after all, been reputed as a speed demon. When he tried to blitz Deidara, Deidara even commented on how fast he was (357 page 11) and don't forget the time he saw Naruto again, he surprised all of Team 7 with his speed. He was able to consistently keep up with Killer Bee (411 pages 9, 15) even though in the end, Sasuke lost out to his unpredictable style. In 413 page 4 he dodges Lariat and KB compares it to the Raikage. I haven't seen Orochimaru doing anything as impressive so I would say that he loses in an all out Taijutsu fight.

Sasuke put Susanoo up just in time (463 page 6) otherwise A would've killed him.

Oh yeah he was using Lariat my bad, even then, that's not mountain busting.

So what if it's not as strong as a menacing ball, I was using that to counter your Lariat argument.

Sasuke dodged lariat due to his sharingan not due his speed.Sasuke goes around it and what?orochimaru comments him on how smart he was?no,he summon another an while sasuke oes around it susano'o is sucking his chakra and stamina.

its not so hard to blitz tobi that is joking around and he failed to blitz deidara and deidara is not well known to his speed.

Sasuke hardly dodged V1 lariat due to his sharingan and Orochimaru dodged KN4 punches and kicks constantly and after the fight he commented it wa nice playing,Without the sharingan.

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by heroeking

In white.

Sorry for double post but idk how to quote several posts.


Well...Sasuke used ammy and susano'o against raikage and was beaten up like hell he would have even died and raikage would have no arms if gaara didn't stop it.And he used it just once I think he can't use it so many times I would be even suprised if he can do it 3 times in a row without getting chakra and stamina completely deleted.

Danzo isn't known for his speed reactions either.I think he was killed by shuriken once.So its not so hard to blitz him.

Kakashi didn't have knowledge on arrows and I guess he wanted to see what will happen when sasuke prepare his bow and arrow it was kinda stupid if you ask me...I wonder why would he have bow and arrow...kakashi was kinda stupid back there also he is another story.He doesn't have almost any defensive jutsu beside kamui but oro has.

Ammy on a hawk?cool 1 oral rebirth more.

He probably has some long range techniques just haven't shown them.Also i think he could strech and bite sasuke or something or use shadow snakes and extend them.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Sasuke dodged lariat due to his sharingan not due his speed.Sasuke goes around it and what?orochimaru comments him on how smart he was?no,he summon another an while sasuke oes around it susano'o is sucking his chakra and stamina.

its not so hard to blitz tobi that is joking around and he failed to blitz deidara and deidara is not well known to his speed.

Sasuke hardly dodged V1 lariat due to his sharingan and Orochimaru dodged KN4 punches and kicks constantly and after the fight he commented it wa nice playing,Without the sharingan.

Sharingan is useless if the person using it isn't fast enough to respond to the attack. Yet in this case Sasuke is. He has the Sharingan in this battle too so it doesn't matter if he used the Sharingan to dodge Bee's Lariat. It's part of his arsenal, just like snakes are part of Orochimaru's.

Sasuke isn't always going to be using Susanoo and there's no guarantee that he will use it to start off the fight.

That speaks volumes for Deidara's evasion speed, and that doesn't mean he's faster than Sasuke, no matter how you try to downplay Sasuke's speed. Orochimaru isn't known for his speed either and I have yet to see the feats showing that he can beat Sasuke in a speed and taijutsu fight.

[Super Sanin 3]

What Sasuke really needs is a way to put Orochimaru down. He has 3 options:

Troll Orochimaru with genjutsu.
Outlast Orochimaru.
Eradicate Orochimaru as a whole.

Orochimaru has been shown to get trolled by genjutsu by Itachi. HOWEVER, Orochimaru seemed confident he could dispel it, and the only real thing it would do is make Orochimaru immobile for a while. He'd still need to completely destroy Orochimaru, and that's if he gets caught.

Assuming Orochimaru is at full health, he'll have more stamina than in his fight against KN4. In that case, he won't tire out as easily. This one's close and I really can't tell who will come out the victor in this category. For as much chakra as Orochimaru has, the jutsu he uses also takes a chunk of chakra away from him. How much does Sasuke need Susano'o here? Orochimaru doesn't seem as potent when using close-range offense, at least not as potent as Sasuke is. Chidori variants + Sharingan + already pretty impressive taijutsu is a good thing to have.

And finally, it has been shown that Sasuke can either use an Amaterasu sword or arrow.
This burned Zetsu near-instantly, and Orochimaru should be no exception. If Sasuke is implied to have EMS here, then it is a very potent offense and defense on Sasuke's part. The arrows are already shown to be incredibly fast and a sword will destroy Orochimaru in close (he's pretty cocky about tanking blows).

Does Orochimaru have ET here? That could make a pretty big difference. Without I'd choose Sasuke.. but with it Orochimaru's got too much.

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Sharingan is useless if the person using it isn't fast enough to respond to the attack. Yet in this case Sasuke is. He has the Sharingan in this battle too so it doesn't matter if he used the Sharingan to dodge Bee's Lariat. It's part of his arsenal, just like snakes are part of Orochimaru's.

Sasuke isn't always going to be using Susanoo and there's no guarantee that he will use it to start off the fight.

That speaks volumes for Deidara's evasion speed, and that doesn't mean he's faster than Sasuke, no matter how you try to downplay Sasuke's speed. Orochimaru isn't known for his speed either and I have yet to see the feats showing that he can beat Sasuke in a speed and taijutsu fight.

Sasuke dodged it due his speed+his sharingan.you see someone else without the sharingan like naruto would have got hit hard with that lariat.


If sasuke doesn't use susano'o start of the fight its just gonna get harder for him cuz thats kinda his only defense against Oro.


As I said deidara is not known to his speed he kinda didn't shwon any feats to debate his speed anyway.Except on a clay bird which isn't the case here.You said that sasuke is faster than oro and your proof was that he blitzed deidara and tobi.Tobi was joking the entire time and deidara is close to slow in narutouniverse.Sasuke is fast but not faster than Oro at this point.


Orochimaru IS known for his speed he has a great feat too.He was dodging punches and kicks from KN4 and after the fight he stated it was fun playing.I said this a couple of times already.I have yet to see that strong feat of sasuke's speed.Also orochimaru dodges KN4 kicks with ease and sasuke hardly evaded V1 lariat with the help of sharingan.I am pretty sure Oro is winner of the speed contest between him and sasuke.

If sasuke doesn't show some of his new EMS techniques and make me think that he can win against Oro than Ok.But at this point its pretty obvious that he would lose.

Guys I am just bringing the facts here and by current feats its clear to me that sasuke has still to surpass Oro,but if he show some of his new techniques that are impressive I am gonna be on sasuke's side here.Its just at this point Oro is just more powerfull.

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

What Sasuke really needs is a way to put Orochimaru down. He has 3 options:

Troll Orochimaru with genjutsu.
Outlast Orochimaru.
Eradicate Orochimaru as a whole.

Orochimaru has been shown to get trolled by genjutsu by Itachi. HOWEVER, Orochimaru seemed confident he could dispel it, and the only real thing it would do is make Orochimaru immobile for a while. He'd still need to completely destroy Orochimaru, and that's if he gets caught.

Assuming Orochimaru is at full health, he'll have more stamina than in his fight against KN4. In that case, he won't tire out as easily. This one's close and I really can't tell who will come out the victor in this category. For as much chakra as Orochimaru has, the jutsu he uses also takes a chunk of chakra away from him. How much does Sasuke need Susano'o here? Orochimaru doesn't seem as potent when using close-range offense, at least not as potent as Sasuke is. Chidori variants + Sharingan + already pretty impressive taijutsu is a good thing to have.

And finally, it has been shown that Sasuke can either use an Amaterasu sword or arrow.
This burned Zetsu near-instantly, and Orochimaru should be no exception. If Sasuke is implied to have EMS here, then it is a very potent offense and defense on Sasuke's part. The arrows are already shown to be incredibly fast and a sword will destroy Orochimaru in close (he's pretty cocky about tanking blows).

Does Orochimaru have ET here? That could make a pretty big difference. Without I'd choose Sasuke.. but with it Orochimaru's got too much.

Orochimaru has All of his techniques here that includes ET I was just saving it when some super sasuke fanboy comes or I start losing the debate.

Sword could be countered by Oral rebirth.

Sasuke can't outlast Oro because in order to survive sasuke needs to use ammy and susano'o a lot and that is getting his stamina and chakra heavlily drained.I think I never saw him use the two together 2 times in a row.Cuz it would deplete his chakra.

I thought I already countered the Arrow thing,Rashomon is an counter.

Chidori+sharingan is countered by Oro's wind nature I already said that.

He needs Susano'o here a lot.Cuz of Oro's deadly techniques.

Oro's chakra shouldn't be a problem for him.I never saw him getting his chakra depleted anyway and he has tons of it,like sasuke.So they are kinda even at chakra level,But sasuke would get his depleted before Oro's at this fight.

Sasuke's sword is made from Amaterasu?if it is I am pretty sure Oro has a lot of knowledge on sharingan and its techniques too.So he won't try to tank something like that.I mean he and kabuto did some pretty amazing research so he knows about Sharingan techniques too for sure.

As taijutsu...Oro's best option in taijutsu fight against sasuke is his speed and kusanagi.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Sasuke dodged it due his speed+his sharingan.you see someone else without the sharingan like naruto would have got hit hard with that lariat.


If sasuke doesn't use susano'o start of the fight its just gonna get harder for him cuz thats kinda his only defense against Oro.


As I said deidara is not known to his speed he kinda didn't shwon any feats to debate his speed anyway.Except on a clay bird which isn't the case here.You said that sasuke is faster than oro and your proof was that he blitzed deidara and tobi.Tobi was joking the entire time and deidara is close to slow in narutouniverse.Sasuke is fast but not faster than Oro at this point.


Orochimaru IS known for his speed he has a great feat too.He was dodging punches and kicks from KN4 and after the fight he stated it was fun playing.I said this a couple of times already.I have yet to see that strong feat of sasuke's speed.Also orochimaru dodges KN4 kicks with ease and sasuke hardly evaded V1 lariat with the help of sharingan.I am pretty sure Oro is winner of the speed contest between him and sasuke.

If sasuke doesn't show some of his new EMS techniques and make me think that he can win against Oro than Ok.But at this point its pretty obvious that he would lose.

Guys I am just bringing the facts here and by current feats its clear to me that sasuke has still to surpass Oro,but if he show some of his new techniques that are impressive I am gonna be on sasuke's side here.Its just at this point Oro is just more powerfull.

and? Thats kind of the whole point of sharingan other than using MS techniques.

He has no defense other than Susanoo, speed, and ninjutsu, which can also cut through Oros defenses, unless its Rashomon, but we already covered that. You havent considered Sasuke going all out against Oro and how Oro will have a hard time against that.

I showed more proof than that. Plus you cant say Sasuke is slow because of it since Deidara was surprised at his speed. You still havent given me any proof showing that Orochimaru is better than Sasuke in this department. Saying he dodged kN4 punches and kicks is not good enough. I might as well look up Oro manga feats and chapters since you wont.

Ch. 292 page 12: Orochimaru barely dodges a chakra hand from 3 tailed Naruto. Sasuke dodged a full speed lariat from KB so this doesnt show how Oro is any better.
Ch. 294 page 5: Oro doesnt really "dodge" here considering that he was jumping away before the chakra hands actually got out. The next page shows the hand closing in on him so he has to use a snake to try to immobilize it. On page 8 it shows Oro going ahead to punch Naruto, but because the 4 tails is dumb, its just sitting there not making any attempt to avoid it. On page 12 he sneak attacks the Kyuubi but once again its just sitting there.

[Super Sanin 3]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Orochimaru has All of his techniques here that includes ET I was just saving it when some super sasuke fanboy comes or I start losing the debate.

Sword could be countered by Oral rebirth.

Sasuke can't outlast Oro because in order to survive sasuke needs to use ammy and susano'o a lot and that is getting his stamina and chakra heavlily drained.I think I never saw him use the two together 2 times in a row.Cuz it would deplete his chakra.

I thought I already countered the Arrow thing,Rashomon is an counter.

Chidori+sharingan is countered by Oro's wind nature I already said that.

He needs Susano'o here a lot.Cuz of Oro's deadly techniques.

Oro's chakra shouldn't be a problem for him.I never saw him getting his chakra depleted anyway and he has tons of it,like sasuke.So they are kinda even at chakra level,But sasuke would get his depleted before Oro's at this fight.

Sasuke's sword is made from Amaterasu?if it is I am pretty sure Oro has a lot of knowledge on sharingan and its techniques too.So he won't try to tank something like that.I mean he and kabuto did some pretty amazing research so he knows about Sharingan techniques too for sure.

As taijutsu...Oro's best option in taijutsu fight against sasuke is his speed and kusanagi.

If Orochimaru has ET than I agree he could win. However, feat and hype wise, Sasuke has surpassed Orochimaru (probably long ago).

Why would he need Susano'o and Amaterasu a lot? He's already quick enough to counter V1 A and get a hit on him up close, and Orochimaru's long-range attacks are what? Sea of snakes gets countered by a Hawk summon, Hydra get's Amaterasu'd, how many big guns does he really have?

Rashomon is a waste of chakra too; the DB says that it requires heavy amounts of chakra, while 1 arrow is... 1 arrow. This is assuming he pulls it off as it doesn't even seem likely at mid-range if Danzo couldn't perform 3 hand seals that given him instant immunity when completed. If he keeps doing these tricks then he will run out of chakra eventually.

Orochimaru's fuuton attack is more like a projectile AOE attack than one he's use in the mist of taijutsu exchange, while Sasuke has used Raiten in the midst of close combat on multiple occasions. A much more likely scenario is mid-range jutsu vs mid-range jutsu, or Sasuke's Katon vs Orochimaru's fuuton. This one Sasuke has the advantage in.

Orochimaru ran from the KN4's chakra arms. When he saw he was at a disadvantage, he tried stopping them with shadow snakes. This failed and Orochimaru had to use Oral Rebirth, and then went for KN4. It was shown that its hands were still uncovering from being previously underground too, it wasn't that big of a feat.

The point I make making about the Amaterasu sword/arrow is that it burns instantly unlike Amaterasu's feats so to say. It's hard to tell if it's a sword or arrow so I analyze both. Orochimaru up close versus Sasuke with Susano'o and 1 hit sword surely loses the exchange.

[megabbaut]

Just want to point out that after Oro uses Rashomon gates Sasuke has no way of hurting him. He can't just go around it since it is to long and wide. Hawk will make Sasuke a bigger target for other attacks.

I'll reply to Kuro later

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

The point I make making about the Amaterasu sword/arrow is that it burns instantly unlike Amaterasu's feats so to say. It's hard to tell if it's a sword or arrow so I analyze both. Orochimaru up close versus Sasuke with Susano'o and 1 hit sword surely loses the exchange.

In the chapter where sasuke used it, 553 page 16 I think, you can tell that Susanoo is holding it like a sword, and there's no bow to accompany it if it were an arrow. Btw that's a good point on Rashomon.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Just want to point out that after Oro uses Rashomon gates Sasuke has no way of hurting him. He can't just go around it since it is to long and wide. Hawk will make Sasuke a bigger target for other attacks.

I'll reply to Kuro later

How would Oro attack through the gates then? It would be too wide for him too. Then again he can go under, but we're addressing that right now.

The hawk wont necessarily make him a bigger target since Sasuke only uses it to fly away from and avoid things and as we know, Orochimaru doesn't have too many long ranged attacks.
You don't have to since Kioroshi replied, but ok.

[Super Sanin 3]

In the chapter where sasuke used it, 553 page 16 I think, you can tell that Susanoo is holding it like a sword, and there's no bow to accompany it if it were an arrow. Btw that's a good point on Rashomon.

I was trying to analyze the difference between the 2 Susano'o and there's not really much.

Check Chapter 478 Page 8, the bow has a swirl on it and you can see the string on the upper right on chapter 553

[Kuromaki]

That is really weird, but it looks like the Sauce stabbed Zetsu with it. Either one works for Orochimaru.

[UchihaManoLo]

man this is a hard one...i love my uchiha's but let's not forget that orochimaru is a legendary saanin for a reason. Although i see many of you posting about Sasuke's Susanoo and how he would own with just that let's not forget it was orochimaru who TRAINED sasuke..my money would go on orochimaru taking this one due to the technicality here that he would be at FULL health and if you have been watching i dont think they ever showed orochimaru at FULL HEALTH at all during the show ( i could be wrong, was he full health when facing he third?)

[Super Sanin 3]

^I think it's when facing the Third, he didn't seem to show side-affects

[Kioroshi.]

Kuro I am too lazy to go trhough all thread again but I think I countered all the post I can.And you still didn't countered all of mine only the Taijutsu one.

Well in taijutsu sasuke and Oro are similar I must agree but Its not too hard to impress deidara with speed cuz he is slow and almost everyone that are slow as him would be impressed with someone who is faster.I can give an example but I think its not allowed here lol. "dirty mind"

How can sea of snakes be countered by hawk?flying on it and sea of snakes waiting for him on the ground would be even more dangerous for sasuke.Cuz if Oro extends and somehow throws sasuke on the ground he is dead.

Give me a sasuke feat comparable to that of Oro dodging the KN4.As we all know KN4 is faster than V1 lariat...I think.

Oro is very powerfull taijutsu fighter since he can extend every part of his body and attack with kusanagi and shadow snakes too.

I don't think we have ever seen Oro at his full health.

Oro can probably dodge sasuke's chidori attacks when he extends himslef or trap sasuke's hand in the body sasuke stabs and then use Oral rebirth to stab sasuke with kusanagi.

hawk wouldn't be a prob for Oro I already explained why.And if sasuke then comes to the ground again he is dead so Btter for sasuke if he does not go on the hawk.

How can sasuke's ninjutsu cut through Oro's defenses?Oro was watching him the whole time he trained ninjutsu and Oro trained him himself.So he can Probably know how to defend against that.

you have yet to prove that sasuke is faster.I didn't said sasuke is slow just that he isn't as fast as Oro.

Well have you considered Oro going all out on Sasuke?Sasuke went all out on Danzo and it didn't seem to immpressive.He constanlty gets his chakra drained...I said it 1000 times already.

[Lord Jiraiya]

Sasuke has EMS yes but we dont know his new jutsu's yet.

Sasuke's arrow are fast, but Oro has a lot more chakra then Sasuke. Oro can just force Sasuke to waste all his chakra on summons and forced defenses against weak jutsu. Sasanoo will suck Sasuke's Life Force away, so Sasuke cant use it a lot. seeing as life force is really a form of chakra.

Sasuke will have to waste a lot of chakra to defend against the 10,000 snakes wave.
Even more chakra against all of Orochimaru's small snake summons.
and even more against Manda.
Then he has to waste chakra trying to kill Orochimaru when oro just spits out a new body.