Sage Mode Jiraiya vs. Killer Bee

[Nightmare Luffy]

Why arent they allowed? So we cant accept stuff the author said himself? Thats pretty ridiculous, because Kishi didnt say "Yes, I, the creator of the manga am correct, the jutsu that I thought of myself and told you how powerful it was, will write a picture on screen of it destroying a mountain", then its not valid? Kishi said it himself, what arent you understanding.

Irrelevant as stated before.

I wouldnt call that irrelevant Id just consider that you have real no way of responding to that as its quite obvious & its possible, I mean the author of the manga himself said its mountain busting, youre really going to argue against that? This is extremely ridiculous if youre that determined on not saying youre wrong about its ability to be mountain busting to not admit it is when the author says it himself?! I really have no other words for it then.

chapter 250 page 11 is how big Naruot' kyuubi enhanced crater is. Even with powerscaling it still isn't enought to seriously hurt the Hachibi let alone kill him.

Yeah that crater was created despite the rasengan not even touching the ground, simply from the impact at which it hit Itachi. Hmmmmmmmm. I also show you chapter 503 page 1. Single, simple rasengan no big deal. Multiply size by 100 and add sage chakra, and add that the author himself said it can destroy a mountain. I wonder. Im just gonna put "irrelevant" on everything and it suddenly invalidates it though thats a great idea.

Rasengan doesn't leave holes, it leaves craters as shown every time he uses it. It created a crater on Kabuto's stomach, a crater on 30% Itachi.

Chapter 558 page 1, I was referring to those holes. Yes in fact it did smash through plenty of boulders and ground though since its so powerful, again just take that size rasengan and add 50 and the own authors statement himself.

Stop trying to quote stuff If you have no proof of it.

Already did but apparently what the author says himself is irrelevant. Someone above me gave page number of where Cho Odama Rasengan was used by Jiraiya. Go there, and look under the rasengan to see the proof of the helicopter esque showing its power just being formed at all.

Stop trying to quote stuff If you have no proof of it.

Well I guess you have no real intention of debating with me and are just going to be stubborn and childish, I guess if thats how it is and youre just going to say everything the author says himself is irrelevant then I have no intention of debating with you either. Ive been having fun but its no reason to get like that or deny the obvious as i said.

What are you talking about? Jiraiya summoned Gambunta in the three sannin fight. I've also already addressed this. Even if was 2x bigger, it still wouldn't be enough to sink the Hachibi.

I really apologize heroeking for mistaking "just barely summoned and even doubted his own ability to do so" with "couldnt barely even". And thanks for pinpointing the specific part in that and ignoring the restacting like it was a huge deal, really.

That snake WAS NOT the size of the Hachibi. That snake wasn't even Manda. Chapter 166 page 7. Look at Naruto at that snakes mouth. Chapter 566 page 8, 9. Look at Naruto on the Hachibi's Nose.

Yeah Narutos the size of his eye, just like that snake & orochimaru. So you just prooved my point.

Posts above.

I'm really disappointed in you heroeking, for ignoring the parts of my post that matter and saying theyre irrelevant or acting like I never said it or that you countered it. With even 1 sentence at that, when I ust turn around and basically paste exactly what I already said in the other post a second time, and you proceed to respond to it like I never said it before. It shows how much youre paying attention..

And I guess you cant really be formal about this like everyone else cant either, with calling everything irrelevant that you dont like or cant counter, or seriously going to such extremes to not say youre wrnog about cho odama rasengan being mountain busting when the own author says so himself.

I remember tbc gave a good example on that like, people in Viz go to such crazy lengths to not say theyre wrong that theyll say the sky is green if they have too. Im to be honest really shocked at this & I didnt think he was serious until now when it really happens face to face.

I would leave this next sentence out but, I know Ill be mentioning it in the post after that, when it gets ignored. I just can guarantee this along with probably a majority of my important arguments won't get responded to so, just saying.

chapter 566 page 2. Then look at the jinchurriki compared to tree sizes. Then Look at the Hachibi compared to the tree sizes.

Again ignoring the posts but ok, for a direct reply chapter 135 page 2, thanks but theyre the same size as Ive said multiple times.

TBB has mountain busting ability. chapter 414 page 7.

Let me repeat it again as youve ignored it, Suigetsu tanked that. As far as I see nothing he hit was destroyed & team taka is completely unharmed other than Suigetsu who hell is even alive. How is jiraiya with much superior durability going to die?

Again I seriously think what Im saying about the strength? No but the things youre claiming and the way you are is very surprising to me. If anything it hones your skills

Above.

youre really not helping your case...

Im really truly surprised, and despite saying I would, unlike you I would never just take entire chunks of posts and paragraphs and say "irrelevant" or post 1 sentence that was countered near exact word for word posts before, then proceed to say "above" to the next paragraphs with entirely unrelated points in them.
that makes me a sad ninja. I wasnt going to say "that makes me a sad ninja" in fact it wasnt even in my mind but when I hovered over the smiley it said "sad ninja"

"Despite Kishimoto the creator of them anga saying Cho Odama Rasengan is mountain busting, it isnt because I say so"? This really isnt going where I liked I mean I didnt even think Jriaiya won this until now. You can really argue against it all you want but youre really arguing so much against the obvious? Really dude what dont you understand, youre saying that you know more than the author himself! Its just so shocking to me I really never thought someone would act like that.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Refer back to my other post from the other guy.

There's nothing wrong with using the databooks as long as they don't contradict what actually happens. Regardless of the databook's statements, the UGR would still have an explosion over 70 times larger than the standard giant rasengan. JUst because the databook states it, doesn't mean its wrong.

Why is Bee even gonna go full Hachibi? He's not even gonna get that far.

SotU followed by a Chou Rasengan=Bee's dead.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Well even if they did who in their right mind would seriously argue with the authors own statements themselves? If the author said Konohamaru has the ability to beat Kisame right now then I would believe it even if all the feats in the world say otherwise. Except its not something outrageous, something like that I honestly see being debatable. But something so simple absolutely nothing contradicts and it been actually shown in the manga and being seen via common sense(even disregarding the authors word).

How someone can really argue with the author really seriously honestly puzzles me. I guess its still feats only here & if its not literally on-screen then it can be thrown in the garbage. I dont know what the point of giving opinions on whoo wins then if you disregard whats actually possible just because theres no serious picture to literally have to spell out the obvious for you. Really guys. whats next, "Jiraiya hasnt been on screen shown to actually kill KB thus its impossible until we see it proven he can"?

[Super Sanin 3]

It says a hollow mountain anyways

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Why arent they allowed? So we cant accept stuff the author said himself? Thats pretty ridiculous, because Kishi didnt say "Yes, I, the creator of the manga am correct, the jutsu that I thought of myself and told you how powerful it was, will write a picture on screen of it destroying a mountain", then its not valid? Kishi said it himself, what arent you understanding. I wouldnt call that irrelevant Id just consider that you have real no way of responding to that as its quite obvious & its possible, I mean the author of the manga himself said its mountain busting, youre really going to argue against that? This is extremely ridiculous if youre that determined on not saying youre wrong about its ability to be mountain busting to not admit it is when the author says it himself?! I really have no other words for it then.

"YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY."
"YOU HAVE SHOWN NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM."
Stop claiming false claims, and also ask the mods if you can ude databooks.

Yeah that crater was created despite the rasengan not even touching the ground, simply from the impact at which it hit Itachi. Hmmmmmmmm. I also show you chapter 503 page 1. Single, simple rasengan no big deal. Multiply size by 100 and add sage chakra, and add that the author himself said it can destroy a mountain. I wonder. Im just gonna put "irrelevant" on everything and it suddenly invalidates it though thats a great idea.

That crater isn't big.

Chapter 558 page 1, I was referring to those holes. Yes in fact it did smash through plenty of boulders and ground though since its so powerful, again just take that size rasengan and add 50 and the own authors statement himself.

Those were craters. He didn't have a complete hole through his body like Neji getting pierced by Kidou's arrows.

Already did but apparently what the author says himself is irrelevant. Someone above me gave page number of where Cho Odama Rasengan was used by Jiraiya. Go there, and look under the rasengan to see the proof of the helicopter esque showing its power just being formed at all.

Funny how you didn't even read that page yourself, yet you're claiming it. On that page, Chou Odama rasengan got absorbed and showed no feats.

Well I guess you have no real intention of debating with me and are just going to be stubborn and childish, I guess if thats how it is and youre just going to say everything the author says himself is irrelevant then I have no intention of debating with you either. Ive been having fun but its no reason to get like that or deny the obvious as i said.

"YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY."
"YOU HAVE SHOWN NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM." I'm not the one here assuming things, I've given manga chapters for everything I've said.

I really apologize heroeking for mistaking "just barely summoned and even doubted his own ability to do so" with "couldnt barely even". And thanks for pinpointing the specific part in that and ignoring the restacting like it was a huge deal, really.

Yeah Narutos the size of his eye, just like that snake & orochimaru. So you just prooved my point.

You're just lying now. Just be glad we can't post pics of Naruto on here.
Chapter 566 page 2. The Hachibi is humongous. Even the forest trees look like nothing in comparison. Then look at the jinchuriki beside the trees. Then picture the jinchuriki besides the Hachibi.

Now chapter 166 page 6. Look at Naruto compared to that snake. I'll ask the mods so I won't have to continously debate this.

I'm really disappointed in you heroeking, for ignoring the parts of my post that matter and saying theyre irrelevant or acting like I never said it or that you countered it. With even 1 sentence at that, when I ust turn around and basically paste exactly what I already said in the other post a second time, and you proceed to respond to it like I never said it before. It shows how much youre paying attention..

And I guess you cant really be formal about this like everyone else cant either, with calling everything irrelevant that you dont like or cant counter, or seriously going to such extremes to not say youre wrnog about cho odama rasengan being mountain busting when the own author says so himself.

I remember tbc gave a good example on that like, people in Viz go to such crazy lengths to not say theyre wrong that theyll say the sky is green if they have too. Im to be honest really shocked at this & I didnt think he was serious until now when it really happens face to face.


I would leave this next sentence out but, I know Ill be mentioning it in the post after that, when it gets ignored. I just can guarantee this along with probably a majority of my important arguments won't get responded to so, just saying.

Irrelevant.

Again ignoring the posts but ok, for a direct reply chapter 135 page 2, thanks but theyre the same size as Ive said multiple times.

Clearly you have sight problems.

565 page 14 compared to that.
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[IMG]file:///C:/Users/kenneth/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG]Let me repeat it again as youve ignored it, Suigetsu tanked that. As far as I see nothing he hit was destroyed & team taka is completely unharmed other than Suigetsu who hell is even alive. How is jiraiya with much superior durability going to die?

Stop lying and trolling. This is just ridiculous. Suigetsu was "Water Based." I don't know if you understand that or not. Also I"VE SHOWN YOU the manga page where the TBB HAS MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY. CHAPTER 414 PAGE 7. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE MOUNTAINS BLOWN THREW FROM THE TBB. I have to post in caps just so you can stop stop lying.

Again I seriously think what Im saying about the strength? No but the things youre claiming and the way you are is very surprising to me. If anything it hones your skills
youre really not helping your case...

Im really truly surprised, and despite saying I would, unlike you I would never just take entire chunks of posts and paragraphs and say "irrelevant" or post 1 sentence that was countered near exact word for word posts before, then proceed to say "above" to the next paragraphs with entirely unrelated points in them.
that makes me a sad ninja. I wasnt going to say "that makes me a sad ninja" in fact it wasnt even in my mind but when I hovered over the smiley it said "sad ninja"

"Despite Kishimoto the creator of them anga saying Cho Odama Rasengan is mountain busting, it isnt because I say so"? This really isnt going where I liked I mean I didnt even think Jriaiya won this until now. You can really argue against it all you want but youre really arguing so much against the obvious? Really dude what dont you understand, youre saying that you know more than the author himself! Its just so shocking to me I really never thought someone would act like that.

"YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY."
"YOU HAVE SHOWN NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM."
Until you show me in the manga where chou odama rasengan has mountain busting ability, YOUR CLAIMS are "irrelevant." I've never seen someone who continously claim something yet they don't have proof for themselves to believe.

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Well even if they did who in their right mind would seriously argue with the authors own statements themselves? If the author said Konohamaru has the ability to beat Kisame right now then I would believe it even if all the feats in the world say otherwise. Except its not something outrageous, something like that I honestly see being debatable. But something so simple absolutely nothing contradicts and it been actually shown in the manga and being seen via common sense(even disregarding the authors word).

How someone can really argue with the author really seriously honestly puzzles me. I guess its still feats only here & if its not literally on-screen then it can be thrown in the garbage. I dont know what the point of giving opinions on whoo wins then if you disregard whats actually possible just because theres no serious picture to literally have to spell out the obvious for you. Really guys. whats next, "Jiraiya hasnt been on screen shown to actually kill KB thus its impossible until we see it proven he can"?

"YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY."
"YOU HAVE SHOWN NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM."
Until you show me in the manga where chou odama rasengan has mountain busting ability, YOUR CLAIMS are "irrelevant."

There's a reason why we refer back to manga dude.....facepalm
If we could all assume things, there would be no point in debating.

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora

There's nothing wrong with using the databooks as long as they don't contradict what actually happens. Regardless of the databook's statements, the UGR would still have an explosion over 70 times larger than the standard giant rasengan. JUst because the databook states it, doesn't mean its wrong.

Why is Bee even gonna go full Hachibi? He's not even gonna get that far.

SotU followed by a Chou Rasengan=Bee's dead.

Ask the mods about using databooks.

SOTu can't sink the Hachibi. Chou Odama rasengan can't kill the Hachibi.

Also Sage Jiraiya did use Swamp of the Underworld. Chapter 378 page 16. And guess what!! It was smaller than the first one....lol

[Nightmare Luffy]

Well since you ignored everything I said..

"YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MOUNTAIN BUSTING ABILITY."
"YOU HAVE SHOWN NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM."
Until you show me in the manga where chou odama rasengan has mountain busting ability, YOUR CLAIMS are "irrelevant."

There's a reason why we refer back to manga dude.....facepalm
If we could all assume things, there would be no point in debating.

I do have proof, Masashi Kishimoto, the writer of the manga, the guy who despite not shown how strong Cho Odama Rasengan is on screen, actually knows because he created the jutsu, himself said so. Its not my fault you have to act like what the author himself says isn't true because you dont want to admit Hachibi would loose to a cho Odama Rasengan. Is it really to the point oyu have to deny the extremely extremely obvious?

So tell me heroeking Why is what the author says himself irrelevant? Because you dont want to admit the hachibi its actually mountain busting??

Also Sage Jiraiya did use Swamp of the Underworld. Chapter 378 page 16. And guess what!! It was smaller than the first one....lol

Yes, when youre trapping a human sized opponent a boss sized one is really required.

Everything you said is completely irrelevant heroeking & I've already responded to it countless times, you just copy and paste arguments acting like I dont introduce anything new or counter your points. Its pretty shocking to see TBC was actually correct about his assessment of people who debate here & I really honestly dont know what to say about it.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Nightmare Luffy

Well since you ignored everything I said..
I do have proof, Masashi Kishimoto, the writer of the manga, the guy who despite not shown how strong Cho Odama Rasengan is on screen, actually knows because he created the jutsu, himself said so. Its not my fault you have to act like what the author himself says isn't true because you dont want to admit Hachibi would loose to a cho Odama Rasengan. Is it really to the point oyu have to deny the extremely extremely obvious?

So tell me heroeking Why is what the author says himself irrelevant? Because you dont want to admit the hachibi its actually mountain busting??

Yes, when youre trapping a human sized opponent a boss sized one is really required.

Everything you said is completely irrelevant heroeking & I've already responded to it countless times, you just copy and paste arguments acting like I dont introduce anything new or counter your points. Its pretty shocking to see TBC was actually correct about his assessment of people who debate here & I really honestly dont know what to say about it.

Where the Manga does it say or show Chou Odama Rasengan having mountain busting ability.

Do you understand English?

If you have no evidence, it is irrelevant.

You're saying the Author said that but you can't provide anything to support that.

Jiraiya could have sunk all of them but he didn't. So you have no excuse. SOTu isn't big enough.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Yes I can its in the 3rd Databook. as I said its not my fault if youre going to deny it.
Okay heroeking answer this next question, since apparently you dont believe that Kishi ever said it, assume for arguments sake that he did and I'm not lying(which im not).

Then tell me why what the author himself says is invalid.

He couldnt have sunk them all Human Realm was on the ceiling, preta was 20 feet away(who can absorb the swamp) and animal was in midair, Jiraiyas intention was to get it so the other 2 were busy/immobilized so he could handle animal himself.

no one addressed the possibility of Frog Song ending this....

[Nightmare Luffy]

Yes thats a good possibility too. I dont know if it would work on him though, he does hear the things Bee hears maybe it would affect them both.

[Super Sanin 3]

I don't think so, if that were the case then the Hachibi would have been caught in Sasuke's genjutsu since he pretty much sees what as Bee sees as much as he hears

[Nightmare Luffy]

Yep, touche well hes still susceptible to it but he might be able too break him out it depends what happens first, Killer Bee would stil be on the disadvantage with lost time.

If Hachibi and Killer Bee are both hearing it it may inhibit them from getting each other out of it. Just look at what it did to Pain....

[Nightmare Luffy]

Yeah thats what I thought but what super sanin is saying is that, he was able to break Bee out despite also seeing what bee sees as for Itachi & Sasuke.

don't forget that while frog song is working Jiraiya could Chou Odama Rasengan Killer Bee. That is how he disabled the paths until the other three arrived...

[Itachi-Returns]

Jiraiya. From what we've seen, Sennin Mode can sense attacks before they are used, So if Bee tries Lariat, Jiraiya will just Sage Kick the mofo and break his face. Enough said.

[Uchiha Sora]

@heroking. It doesn't need to be directly shown in the manga. We can use this Nifty thing called logic.

Rasengan A make big boom. Rasengan B, which is over 100 times larger, make bigger boom. Bigger boom big enough to make hachibi go boom.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

[Super Sanin 3]

I'm not sure, Killer Bee used V2 and Lariat at a very quick pace versus Nagato

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

I'm not sure, Killer Bee used V2 and Lariat at a very quick pace versus Nagato

And yet, SM Jiraiya showed better speed feats than what V2 Killer B did against Nagato.

[Super Sanin 3]

I was mainly talking about the activation speed of V2 (plus a slower opponent can still hit a faster one, it's not impossible)