Pain vs Danzo

[Kioroshi.]

Lets say he summons the bird, centipede, and the dog. Bird dies via wind bullets, and the centipede gets eaten by baku. The dog is the only one left, and its an open question to if he can even avoid being eaten or not.

Shinra has a 5 second cooldown. Danzo reappears after half of a second.

So Deva can't dodge danzo's seal?and use shinra tensei after?

Also why can't the paths dodge the seal?they have shared vision.They surely can counter it.

Baku can't eat the dog.dog is large enough.Do I remember correctly or was it a Rhino summoned by pain too?

If he does, danzo knows which one to seal next.

He would be so confused cuz he doesn't have knowledge.When he seals the bodies he would be focused on other ones and while Deva catches his attention the guy can "fix" those other bodies and danzo wouldn't know whats happening.

She was counting to see how long each eye lasted. He had 10 minutes of invulnerability (11 if he gives up suisui's eye).

ok thanks for clearing this to me.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

So Deva can't dodge danzo's seal?and use shinra tensei after?

He can, but then Danzo izan's the shinra and re-seals him before the time is up.

Also why can't the paths dodge the seal?they have shared vision.They surely can counter it.

You'd think so, but a man who reappears randomly would be able to get at least one each time, if by no other means than taking the blind spots.

Baku can't eat the dog.dog is large enough.Do I remember correctly or was it a Rhino summoned by pain too?

There was one that naruto lobbed, but Rhinos aren't hard to avoid. Also Baku's suction would make it impossible for the Rhino to charge due to the messed up ground.




He would be so confused cuz he doesn't have knowledge.When he seals the bodies he would be focused on other ones and while Deva catches his attention the guy can "fix" those other bodies and danzo wouldn't know whats happening.

I don't think the fight will go on 11 minutes without Danzo realizing someone is reviving them, or eventually sealing off the fellow who does so.






ok thanks for clearing this to me.

No prob

[Kioroshi.]

He can, but then Danzo izan's the shinra and re-seals him before the time is up.

Dodge again?I don't see why dodging is the problem here.

You'd think so, but a man who reappears randomly would be able to get at least one each time, if by no other means than taking the blind spots.

Thats the power of shared vision.No blind spots.

And they can dodge him,and make him waste izanagi.Cuz the dog can chase him while he is trying to seal the paths.

There was one that naruto lobbed, but Rhinos aren't hard to avoid. Also Baku's suction would make it impossible for the Rhino to charge due to the messed up ground

So 1 more animal danzo needs to deal with while he is unlocking his arm.Pretty cool Rhino and the dog can kill baku and then danzo while he is unlocking the arm.

I don't think the fight will go on 11 minutes without Danzo realizing someone is reviving them, or eventually sealing off the fellow who does so.

You are missing something dude.Maybe danzo will realize who is reviving them put you don't think nagato will realize how to counter danzo's only move to defeat them?He will surelly find a way to counter it like you said I don't think the fight will go on for 11 minutes and nagato won't find a way to counter danzo's seal.

After all nagato is pretty smart and powerfull ninja,one of most powerfull in the series.He won't be beaten by same trick.


Also the paths have shared vision they can easily avoid everything danzo sends at them.

[Frost ninja]

Well they don't know of izanagi, so how will they not have a blind spot when they believe to have killed him? If he unlocks it, one path will go down, then another.

Shared vision is helpful until you realize that it won't work on enemies whom believe to have killed their foe.

[321zigzag3]

So Pain is devoid of intelligence?

[Kioroshi.]

So Pain is devoid of intelligence?

I guess most of them think that way...







When he see it first time he would know about it and he would surely notice Danzo constantly checking sharingans on his arm.

And when he seals the first body the guy will ressurect it and its all over. pain will win cuz of shared vision and knowledge/clue about izanagi.

also he can't seal them cuz of shared vision they can dodge no problem.

[321zigzag3]

Which is very odd. Pain is not a linear fighter.
Danzo's success relies on element of surprise especially on the first time he dies and that also depends which body he seals.


People don't seem to realize how circumstantial that part is.

Izanagi also relies on the fact Danzo keeps dying.
There are methods in theory that Pain can bypass that.
Location is also not in favor for him since its default which is a flat crater.



But if people wish to go for lower probability element go ahead.

Can Danzo beat Pain? Yes. Its just more likely Pain cripples him first.
Where is he going to hide?

We are already had Karin doing the warning for Sasuke at the bridge.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Funny, I thought Danzo was killed bu lighting chakra. Who knew.

Critically wounded by lighting chakra, Wooster.

Danzo died when he used Reverse Tetragram Seal.



Also...

On Danzo being captured until Izanagi runs out. This isn't a problem for
Danzo. If Pain tries to restrain Danzo like he did with Naruto then it
will be Pain who ends up restricted since Danzo will just use the
Danzo Curse Seal on them. Also in theory Danzo can kill himself
(biting his tongue for example) and negate his suicide with Izanagi.

Another thing. Danzo can control the moment when the Danzo Curse
Seal is activated. So Danzo can place the seal on all the Pain Paths
and THEN activate the seal. Then it's easy pickings.


Of course it won't be easy.

But anywho I say it all comes down to strategy.

If Danzo can just simply touch not even all the Pain Paths but just
key Pain Paths then Danzo can make Pain destroy itself.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Critically wounded by lighting chakra, Wooster.

Danzo died when he used Reverse Tetragram Seal.

Danzo had a potential for a better role but oh well.

Also...

On Danzo being captured until Izanagi runs out. This isn't a problem for
Danzo. If Pain tries to restrain Danzo like he did with Naruto then it
will be Pain who ends up restricted since Danzo will just use the
Danzo Curse Seal on them.

There are couple of problems.

First in Preta Paths case, he puts a Nelson hold on you and drains you quickly.

You know Danzo is not immune to chakra draining.

Not sure how Soul Removal works against Izanagi. People argued it both ways.

As for chakra rods, that disrupts your chakra and body.

This is also assuming Pain comes up a different strategy after seeing Danzo at least once or twice.

Also in theory Danzo can kill himself
(biting his tongue for example) and negate his suicide with Izanagi.

In theory yes. He could probably too.
If he is successfully restrained its much more difficult to do so.

Time is on his side but yet also not on his side.
He is a calculating type not just spammign deaths.

Another thing. Danzo can control the moment when the Danzo Curse
Seal is activated. So Danzo can place the seal on all the Pain Paths
and THEN activate the seal. Then it's easy pickings.

This is a much better strategy for Danzo to utilize this is assuming he successfully touches each of them.

Probability suggests not likely to me but again its also circumstantial depending which body gets etc etc.

If Danzo can just simply touch not even all the Pain Paths but just
key Pain Paths then Danzo can make Pain destroy itself.

THe location is default so its the flattened konoha crater not easy for him.

Although it also depends for example if he uses Baku summon and Pain doesn't do anything then thats one thing.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Danzo had a potential for a better role but oh well.





There are couple of problems.

First in Preta Paths case, he puts a Nelson hold on you and drains you quickly.

You know Danzo is not immune to chakra draining.

Not sure how Soul Removal works against Izanagi. People argued it both ways.

As for chakra rods, that disrupts your chakra and body.

This is also assuming Pain comes up a different strategy after seeing Danzo at least once or twice.




In theory yes. He could probably too.
If he is successfully restrained its much more difficult to do so.

Time is on his side but yet also not on his side.
He is a calculating type not just spammign deaths.



This is a much better strategy for Danzo to utilize this is assuming he successfully touches each of them.

Probability suggests not likely to me but again its also circumstantial depending which body gets etc etc.



THe location is default so its the flattened konoha crater not easy for him.

Although it also depends for example if he uses Baku summon and Pain doesn't do anything then thats one thing.

If Preta Path puts Danzo in a nelson hold then Danzo just touches
him and puts the Danzo Curse seal on him. Nothing really
stopping Danzo from biting his own tongue to activate Izanagi.
Worst case scenario Danzo activates the seal and then point
blank vaccum blast and Preta Path is history.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

If Preta Path puts Danzo in a nelson hold then Danzo just touches

Thats easier said then done when you look Sage Naruto yet he couldn't do anything about it.

He couldn't move at all even his arms and legs.

Nothing reallystopping Danzo from biting his own tongue to activate Izanagi.

In theory this doesn't sound OOC for him to do.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Thats easier said then done when you look Sage Naruto yet he couldn't do anything about it.

He couldn't move at all even his arms and legs.




In theory this doesn't sound OOC for him to do.

Naruto didn't have the Danzo Curse Seal. Danzo does.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Naruto didn't have the Danzo Curse Seal. Danzo does.

The point is that if Naruto could have touched or hit Preta Path he would have done so.

Or its better for Danzo to do when Preta Path grabs him.


Anyway Preta PAth isn't the only option for Pain anyway.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The point is that if Naruto could have touched or hit Preta Path he would have done so.

Or its better for Danzo to do when Preta Path grabs him.


Anyway Preta PAth isn't the only option for Pain anyway.

Basically the moment Preta Path grabs him he touches him.

[321zigzag3]

Yet Naruto with all his Sage Mode enhanced Natural Energy Sensing could or did not at least.

[Frost ninja]

How does biting your tounge kill you exactly?

[321zigzag3]

Drowning in your own blood?