Well V-Valentine appears to lock the thread. I have complete freedom to make this and you guys clearly ignored the point of what I said in the other thread. I dont actually believe the things that are in the bold, I'm simply addressing what I did claim before.
At least read the post before jumping to conclusions & I completely understand V-Valentine has something against me, but it doesnt change I have the right to make threads and actually put effort into this.
Now lets try again with someone who doesnt themselves have a personal vendetta against me as Ive done nothing wrong but voice my opinion.
Oh yeah and V-V, I already explained that part in this thread but you didnt take the time to read it so you wouldnt know, I seriously suggest reading the post before like I said jumping to conclusions. I never claimed the rocks were FTL I told you to prove they werent. I didnt expect someone to take that part seriously & even I know how burden of proof works.
Hi most of you may remember me as Nightmare Luffy the guy who said Naruto was the strongest verse(excluding omnipotents). Well other than that I'm sure most of you have seen me post around months after all that & aren't as bad as I used to be. I already knew I posted otherwise but talking to Immortal WatchDog reminded me of when I first joined despite not doing anything like this the last times I posted.
So Im going to post, telling you some of my past points of why Naruto is at the very least "stronger than everyone thinks it is" or stronger than it should be considered. I'm also posting this in the HQ as I dont see it fit in the Narutoverse or Multiverse sections as it is not a real matchup. Keep in mind I may or may not actually believe whats in the bold, those are just the points I mentioned in my past posts and Im going to address each of them.
Its not as much 'Naruto is stronger than you guys think' than me just going through my past points & trying to rephrase them and fix them and etc.
It might be long but pelase take the time and read it and maybe understand that Naruto is stronger than you think just becuase the popular opinion doesnt think so. You can form your own opinions too.
1) Haku is Lightspeed.
My first point was saying that Haku was lightspeed, and since Sasuke kept up with him he's obviously lightspeed. Since Lee was so much faster than him and the chain continues and there are many characters faster than lee, everyone's FTL. I still disagree with a lot of your guys points like "well if theyre all FTL why dont he just turn back time" despite most comic book characters who are FTL never doing this, sounds like a double standard to me.
Wel Haku is actually light speed within his mirrors but Sasuke intercepted him only because he came out physically to hurt Naruto. Theyre still very fast being able to disappear and be nowhere around because theyre so fast and Im sure I don't need to be the one to give you guys in a naruto debate section the feats on how fast some characters are.
I also said First Hokage(who I dont think posts any more ) agreed that Vegeto was lightspeed because Akira said so, and since Kishi said Haku was lightspeed its faulty to try and claim Haku being lightspeed is crap while Vegeto is light-speeding it away. only because it helps out your case to believe one and not the other and because they both claimed it in the same fashion which is also a double standard.
Here I claimed Deva Path could tank kyuubi's mountain buster and since he's not even known for durability all of the more durable characters can tank much more. Well this isnt actually too bad and I was right, 6 tailed Kyuubi did destroy half of Konoha with 1 blast without even trying, he also took the full force of one of those humongous blasts head on. I also claimed in the fight to imagine that attack charged because Kyuubi made it in 2 seconds, and that was only 6 tails.
I was proven right a year later a bit when with just willpower and no chakra, a Kyuubi with only 50% power than usual made a menacing ball at least 10 times its size! And the Kyuubi is gigantic just imagine something like full kyuubi could do, and KN6s blast did that much damage and it was like the size of a kickball when it was made.
This is more destructive power though & the point I was proving about durability was that thats just proof of Devas durability. It definitely doesnt stop characters being much more durable like someone like Kisame or 3rd Raikage or the tailed beast cloak in general as seen thanks to Oro & Pain.
3) FRS bypasses durability
To be honest I still really believe this. It destroys your cells and rips you apart if you get hit theres honestly no surviving unless youre someone like Buu who can regenerate. If Goku got hit by this I honestly say he would be killed, its not like he would lose to Naruto 1 on 1 but if he just stood there and took an FRS he couldnt survive.
The perfect counter to this is "well raikage tanked it so ur wrong" well this is countered by the fact he was an edo tensei and he had his cloak protecting him. As you know wind counters lightning and it had to break through the cloak before it hit Raikage, and he was always known for durability which is why some people may think it wasnt because of the Edo Tensei.
4) Deidara's C4
I said this should be able to kill anyone who breathes it easily and they wouldnt know what to do about it. Well this is also true if we consider their blood stream and organs inside arent also very durable and its just like their body on the outside is like an "armor".
Im not sure about that but if their organs and blood stream and insides are as durable as the outside this wont work. theres really nothing to suggest that though(i dont think) & it doesnt seem logical to me that their literal insides would be extremely durable like just they themself are.
5) Destructive Power
Like above, KN6 was able to easily make a bijuu bomb in 2 seconds that completely dwarfed am ajority of konoha and made the stone faces look like ants. Imagine this charged and considering all the tailed beast power like Shukaku being able to destroy multiple city blocks at once if he tried[135 page 11] and thats the weakest bijuu.
If you powerscale(well by powerscaling I mainly mean common sense as the more tails means a stronger bijuu) Juubi should be extremely powerful and Rikudo was also to create a moon without using the Juubi's chakra he did that alone.
Hachibi was able to destroy the whole forest and disintegrate everything in the vicinity just because he spun around and whipped his tails around as as you saw Hachibi was easily a mountain buster by himself[414 p7]. If you check a few pages before that actually youll see his bijuu dama was maybe the size of a small car before exploding into that gigantic blast. & if you remember as I said KN6 blast was the size of a kickball before making half of Konoha look like nothing, and with just willpower and no chakra 50% kyuubi made one ten times the size of a boss summon and made one the same size in 2 seconds while fighting Minato.
Since a car size and kickball sized was able to easily dwarf half of konoha and destroy a huge mountain with ease and was barely charged, how strong do you think a gigantic one as big as a few huge buildings would do? just look at it and imagine the power. Minato warped it extremely far away to in the middle of nowhere and as you saw when it hit the blast was gigantic that dwafed even the mountains despite being extremely far away[502 p7]. Keep in mind that its not a one time and youre done either, the bijuu can keep hitting you with these massive blasts over and over.
Then we take into account juubi which is as strong as all the other bijuu combined and was able to compete with the kinds of the power that can create a moon. I wonder what his bijuu damas are capable of. Well knowing Kishi he may disappoint if the Juubi is every brought back & fought and it wont be near as impressive but you never know.
I said Naruto has very hax moves. Well this was posted long before Edo Tensei zombies were revealed but I did claim attacks like Gedo Mazo are extremely hax as they suck out your soul and also bypass durability, is extremely fast & powerful.
Well now this was proven a lot more correct now there are at least 40 pretty high tier opponents who cant be destroyed and simply regenerate, and there are multiple characters with rinnegan who ccan soul suck. With these kind of really haxed techniques theyre very much stronger than they could be without them. Tobi is also able to warp anyone away and im not sure if youd count that as BFR.
I'm not sure if this would count as hax in the definition I'm giving but Naruto is severely more strong than anyone else now and since hes able to create basically 12 copies of himself and every one already beat 2 kage leveled ninja by themself and used a rasenshuriken and every other variant. Each one is capable of making hundreds of cho odama rasengan thus meaning Naruto at 1/100th chakra is capable of even a single cho odama rasengan, Thats only with a little of Kyuubis chakra.
Its not really other verses other than within naruto fighting but I cant see many people beating this naruto right now hes extremely powerful and since he has jutsu like FRS like I did say was haxed hes a huge problem. Lets not forget he's the fastest character in the series now next to Minato.
7) Rikudo is nigh omnipotent
Theres nothing to actually suggest this but its seriously implied hes much more powerful like when Kishi considers him a godly being or whatever he said. But apparently since everyone else was massively FTL and considering their abilities Rikudou is extremely strong. Well without being FTL even now he's extremely strong by Naruto standard even in general.
8) When rocks fall they fall at lightspeed?!
Yes well IWD piqued my curiosity when he said I claimed the reason Raikage couldnt dodge rocks falling was because they were also FTL. This is obviously not true but heres a history lesson on NL's infamous thread. I didnt bring it up @ all until V-Valentine started making jokes like "well why didnt he dodge the rocks falling on him then? wow he's so stupid I bet when he tries to respond he'll say theyre FTL or something" and everyone laughed about it.
I never said much on the subject but it to be honest blew out of proportion. What I did say was its probably something dumb and he wasnt paying attention which is true as of yet & I dont remember what they were even specifically talking about so I cant give an honest opinion since I dont remember what rocks theyre even referring to .
9) Countries are many planets apart thats why they cant get to Suna in 3 days
You guys really missed the point of this. I claimed that the leaf worl was much bigger than earth and they cant get to Suna in 3 days because really the countries are planets apart. You all were saying stuff lke "yeah because we've seen stars and space when they were getting to Suna" and "uh duh have you seen the map its a map theres no planets". Its just the length which I kept emphasizing.
The length is planets apart nothing makes that untrue from being planets apart in length because its on a map. The map can show that much size apart nothing contradicts. I dont actually believe theyre still planets apart or anything but I do stil lagree everyones points were wrong and nothing actually does contradict it. I better mention that before people actually take it as I still think theyre so far paart.
While I dont exactly think its as big as I said what I do agree on is they could get to Suna much faster as seen by team Guy. It takes time because you work as a team and its not like youre in a non stop full speed run to Suna.
As you saw when we saw the ninja going to Suna they were walking, not going full speed or even running. If they were running they could make it a lot faster.
Well to be honest hte reason I do this is because naruto is extremely underrated in terms of power and I think it deserves much more credit. I like to defend the ltitle guy. I dont really like Naruto the most as opposed to other verses like One Piece which is the first manga Ive ever read and my favorite. I just think Narutoverse deserves much more recognition as a stronger verse & cant see why everyone considers it so weak like Ive said.
I wanted to clear up my past points because it sounded like so much bullcrap and even now I'm considered the guy who just got better from his crap ways and it was fun to do this with some free time & nothing to do atm.
We all had our fiar share of flaming though & although its not like my feelings were hurt when I made those threads I do admit its pretty sickening to see people just gang up and hate on someone who simply doesnt have the same opinion as them. You guys can have your own opinions too if you dont agree with someone saying Naruto looses but everyone else in the thread is saying "Narutoverse gets raped" its not excuse to just say "yeah youre right" because youre afraid.
Thats why its a debate forum! You dont have to go with the popular opinion always and Naruto is much stronger than everyone treats it. Also keep in mind guys I have no personal vendetta against any of you for flaming or whatever I understand the way you view these things thanks to the high tier debaters and OBD and whatever tend to make you think Naruto was much weaker.
We were all 'noobs' at some point I'm sure especially when I remember a thread I was linked to from april 2009 before I joined and before the debaters were as 'hardcore' or knew about the OBD. Lots of people were saying Naruto>Luffy and hell this was before he even beat Pain.
I also had my laughs too so those threads back then were all around very fun. I dont approve of my debating style very much though since I was more noob-ish albeit still not any less serious about Naruto power level than now.
Hope you @ least consider Naruto as a stronger verse than you did after now reading this, or at least enjoyed the read! & dont just go by what people you might say are really good debaters think and thus everything they say is correct, go by what you guys think! Who cares what other people think if you think Kakashi can beat Superman? I dont think its a good description for the section. although I dont, if I want to believe Kakashi beats Superman I have the right too do so. Thanks guys!
Ahh damn I thought I posted this last night now I wake up and I find out its still in "preview mode" and I didnt click the submit button, maybe it would have a couple more posts if it werent thanks to that.
And to add to that I just erased a few points and had to go re write little parts throughout the post because apparently it 'expired' from being away tonight and the only part I saved was the part I had copy pasted. D:
but its okay now anyways & I think I fixed it for the most part and as I said thanks for reading I hope you enjoyed!