Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato - Page 3

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuromaki

On page 3 the force of his Rasengan caused a huge crater, in chapter 260 it shows Oodama Rasengan which caused a similar sized crater, and in 485 the power of a regular Rasengan from Naruto managed to cancel out CHidori. So yes, Minato's Rasengan is better than an ordinary Rasengan, and multiple Rasengans from Minato would likely deal some damage to the Raikage.

On 503 page 4 you can see Tobi's gooey looking arm by Minato near Minato's cloak.

Prove it.

Raikage survived a lariat, with no damage. Which completely obliterated Sasuke's organs and torso tissue by base killer bee.

That's called blood.

Doesn't matter, Tobi survived and walked off with a smirk. That Rasengan is extremely weak. He could spam 100, and they wouldn't scratch him.

Problem being Minato's neck is now off via lariato.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

Prove it.

Raikage survived a lariat, with no damage. Which completely obliterated Sasuke's organs and torso tissue by base killer bee.

That's called blood.

Doesn't matter, Tobi survived and walked off with a smirk. That Rasengan is extremely weak. He could spam 100, and they wouldn't scratch him.

Honestly we have no idea what is up with Tobi's body, he showed that he could dismember himself without feeling any pain what so ever. But that being said, I think Minato's Rasengan was pretty powerful. it made a hole in the ground, a fairly big hole

Kuromaki · 11-30-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

Prove it.

Raikage survived a lariat, with no damage. Which completely obliterated Sasuke's organs and torso tissue by base killer bee.

That's called blood.

Oh the one used by Killer Bee? He didn't even have his cloak on when he used a Lariat on A.

A got knocked to the ground (and caused a crater smaller than Minato's I should note), which left him vulnerable. If he fought Minato and that happened, Minato could keep attacking, or tag him.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Or Minato could teleport away, assuming he can't just dodge it normally

If Minato does a blindside, the Raikage wouldn't be able to hit him at the same time, either

But he would be teleporting the rasengan away too and wasting chakra. Also Minato can't really blindside without touching Raikage.

Kuromaki · 11-30-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

But he would be teleporting the rasengan away too and wasting chakra. Also Minato can't really blindside without touching Raikage.

Rasengan barely uses chakra, Minato used a lot of high level Jutsu against the Kyuubi, which is why he got tired.

I thought that was the idea?

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Oh the one used by Killer Bee? He didn't even have his cloak on when he used a Lariat on A.

A got knocked to the ground (and caused a crater smaller than Minato's I should note), which left him vulnerable. If he fought Minato and that happened, Minato could keep attacking, or tag him.

So what?

They both double lariat'd Zetsu and cut his head clean off. So all cloak really does is increase his durability, speed and raiton release.

He got knocked down because there were over 10 porting Kunai around the area, where he ported out and blindsided A while he was still moving.

At what point does Minato start throwing Kunai? Before or after his face is a crater?

I'm sick of people idolizing this guy as invincible. Honestly, he gets one hit KO'd with no chance for thunder god.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 06:31 PM

With knowledge Minato can't touch Raikage though. Raikage would just move away from the kunais and have Minato looking stupid while wasting chakra at the same time.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

With knowledge Minato can't touch Raikage though. Raikage would just move away from the kunais and have Minato looking stupid while wasting chakra at the same time.

How can you move away from something that is all over the battlefield???

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vonshadow

How can you move away from something that is all over the battlefield???

By blitzing at start.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 06:36 PM

A can try to blitz Minato, the moment he does he uses the Space Time Barrier to teleport A away to another place. Does not need to throw FTG Kunai around the battlefield. He just needs to use the one on him.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vonshadow

How can you move away from something that is all over the battlefield???

Why would Raikage step on a kunai. Also Minato doesn't have enough kunai to fill a battlefield. He had about 40-50 tops.

And Raikage can easily evade a kunai coming at him.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

Why would Raikage step on a kunai. Also Minato doesn't have enough kunai to fill a battlefield. He had about 40-50 tops.

And Raikage can easily evade a kunai coming at him.

Minato does not throw it directly at him. He would throw it so his FTG kunai is all around the battlefield. He definitely wont throw a FTG kunai directly to A's face.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vonshadow

Minato does not throw it directly at him. He would throw it so his FTG kunai is all around the battlefield. He definitely wont throw a FTG kunai directly to A's face.

No real way Minato reacts quick enough to transport A out.

We saw A's fist basically an inch from his face before he could use thunder god, which is faster.

With no pre-placed Kunai this is a KO shot at start.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

No real way Minato reacts quick enough to transport A out.

We saw A's fist basically an inch from his face before he could use thunder god, which is faster.

With no pre-placed Kunai this is a KO shot at start.

A could have easily done that in all their fights but somehow did not and let Minato prep first . Why? Dont know? Respect for a fellow warrior ??

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vonshadow

A could have easily done that in all their fights but somehow did not and let Minato prep first . Why? Dont know? Respect for a fellow warrior ??

He arrived at the battlefield with the kunai pre-set.

So not exactly sure what you mean by allowed him to prep.

With knowledge now it doesn't make a difference. Raikage will blitz him immediately.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 07:01 PM

Pre-set FTG kunais??? I thought he spammed FTG Kunai all around the battlefield before they fought.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 07:02 PM

Why is this relevant?

Raikage can travel 50 meters before Minato can get the kunai out.

Devils Lawyer · 11-30-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

Are these facts documented?

Can you prove this?

Congrats, prove Jiraiya made that while there is V2 Raikage fist in his face, and we have a deal.

Again all irrelevant since Minato did not, in character, once use the technique you're suggesting he can. As he easily tagged multiple opponents with thunder god, exactly why didn't he just drain their chakra and bring them in for questioning?

The fact that him sealing the 9 tails is proof enough. Next follow up with the fact A would never touch Minato. Minato outclassed A in speed from start to finish in their fight in character with no prep. Also since we are on the in character theme. Minato sealed the 9 tails in character. Far as why he wouldn't use them on an average shinobi is obvious. He is the fastest shinobi alive he blitzes them for the most part. But if forced he would use a seal. Then you keep mentioning the draining of chakra that is only one type of seal. He easily use a seal to immobilize his opponent. Prove he wouldn't use a seal against A, Prove he isn't capable of making such, and Prove that A can even touch Minato.

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

Why is this relevant?

Raikage can travel 50 meters before Minato can get the kunai out.

False statement considering Minato already scattered his Kunai and outdid A without Prep in less than 50 meters.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 07:31 PM

I didn't see it.

I saw Raikage clearly trying to identify who is enemy was, there were kunai around the area for sure, but that doesn't mean anything here.

Here he has clear knowledge of his opponent and clearly would cover that distance before Minato flinches.

Not at all. Minato barely got off thunder god, which had pre-placed kunai. Minato is not faster than A in features.

I don't need to prove it, he hasn't used it on anyone of his manga opponents, nor has the author hinted to that ability whatsoever. You don't have evidence.

Devils Lawyer · 11-30-2011, 08:09 PM

There wasn't any pre placed Kunai. If there are tell me the chapter and page of the pre placed Kunai. The fight clearly starts off with them talking and Minato scattering his Kunai. Mind this is in character both opponents had some knowledge on eachother.

Also yes you have to prove it considering the 9 tails was one of his manga opponents. That is a cop out answer. If you can't prove it then your arguement is dead. Thus just another case where you don't know how to concede.

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11-30-2011, 06:31 PM	#47
heroeking Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: u.s. Posts: 1,766 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato With knowledge Minato can't touch Raikage though. Raikage would just move away from the kunais and have Minato looking stupid while wasting chakra at the same time.

11-30-2011, 06:36 PM	#50
vonshadow Master Debater Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hidden MapleLeaf Village Posts: 1,243 Rep Power: 8	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato A can try to blitz Minato, the moment he does he uses the Space Time Barrier to teleport A away to another place. Does not need to throw FTG Kunai around the battlefield. He just needs to use the one on him. __________________ The Village Hidden in the Jungle Shinobi of The Village Hidden in the Jungle "Becoming a jinchūriki, you can lose a lot, and your heart goes hollow, but if you got things you don't want to lose, they become a light to follow! The tailed beasts aren't our only source of strength! What was inside our hearts before the monster... shines like a sun, powers us to any length! That's where our true power comes from!" - Killer Bee " Cool head, agile mind." - Shikaku Nara

11-30-2011, 07:01 PM	#56
vonshadow Master Debater Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hidden MapleLeaf Village Posts: 1,243 Rep Power: 8	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato Pre-set FTG kunais??? I thought he spammed FTG Kunai all around the battlefield before they fought. __________________ The Village Hidden in the Jungle Shinobi of The Village Hidden in the Jungle "Becoming a jinchūriki, you can lose a lot, and your heart goes hollow, but if you got things you don't want to lose, they become a light to follow! The tailed beasts aren't our only source of strength! What was inside our hearts before the monster... shines like a sun, powers us to any length! That's where our true power comes from!" - Killer Bee " Cool head, agile mind." - Shikaku Nara

11-30-2011, 07:02 PM	#57
Isoteen Chunin Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,169 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato Why is this relevant? Raikage can travel 50 meters before Minato can get the kunai out.

11-30-2011, 07:31 PM	#59
Isoteen Chunin Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,169 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato I didn't see it. I saw Raikage clearly trying to identify who is enemy was, there were kunai around the area for sure, but that doesn't mean anything here. Here he has clear knowledge of his opponent and clearly would cover that distance before Minato flinches. Not at all. Minato barely got off thunder god, which had pre-placed kunai. Minato is not faster than A in features. I don't need to prove it, he hasn't used it on anyone of his manga opponents, nor has the author hinted to that ability whatsoever. You don't have evidence.

11-30-2011, 08:09 PM	#60
Devils Lawyer Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: May 2011 Location: In the hole Posts: 4,594 Rep Power: 12	Re: Tier List Poll #9 - A Vs. Minato There wasn't any pre placed Kunai. If there are tell me the chapter and page of the pre placed Kunai. The fight clearly starts off with them talking and Minato scattering his Kunai. Mind this is in character both opponents had some knowledge on eachother. Also yes you have to prove it considering the 9 tails was one of his manga opponents. That is a cop out answer. If you can't prove it then your arguement is dead. Thus just another case where you don't know how to concede.

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