Tier List #5 - Sasuke Vs. Killer Bee

[TheBlackChidori]

Ok so, to get a majority vote over who should be above who on the tier list, we're gonna do it the old fashioned way and vote.

Who is higher on the Tier List?


No Prep and Manga Knowledge only.

[megabbaut]

Killer Bee wins until Sasuke gets more EMS feats. Genjutsu can be broken with the help of Hachibi, Amaterasu can be dodged in V2, and Susanoo will be broken by a menacing ball.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Killer Bee wins until Sasuke gets more EMS feats. Genjutsu can be broken with the help of Hachibi, Amaterasu can be dodged in V2, and Susanoo will be broken by a menacing ball.

Exactly. So is this MS Sasuke or Hebi Sasuke? I think Bee can probably win if he goes into V2 and blitzes using Lariat at the get go of the match.

[Isoteen]

Not sure V2 Lariat would even break the ribs of Sasuke's Susano.

Sasuke was on the verge of killing V2 Raikage with Amy spam, Gaara saved him.

I don't see anything going different here.

[megabbaut]

Sasuke would be killed as well, due to his neck being crushed. Gaara saved both.

And Susanoo was broken by a mere V2 chop.

V2 Lariat does worse.

[Kill3r_B-st]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Not sure V2 Lariat would even break the ribs of Sasuke's Susano.

Sasuke was on the verge of killing V2 Raikage with Amy spam, Gaara saved him.

I don't see anything going different here.

bees base lariat is stronger than the raikage v1 lariat. V2 raikage broke ribs with a simple chop. V2 bee with smash through it too. Bee has seen ammy once and has the speed and reactions to dodge it. Sasukes susanoo had a whole put in it by a simple wind style jutsu. TBB>wind jitsu. Genjutsu has no affect here kb wins

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Kill3r_B-st

bees base lariat is stronger than the raikage v1 lariat. V2 raikage broke ribs with a simple chop. V2 bee with smash through it too. Bee has seen ammy once and has the speed and reactions to dodge it. Sasukes susanoo had a whole put in it by a simple wind style jutsu. TBB>wind jitsu. Genjutsu has no affect here kb wins

I believe it should be noted that it was a more advanced wind jutsu, which derives from a weaker form by stacking that jutsu's effect multiple times to increase destructive force. Additionally, the wind jutsu was performed with the assistance of vacuum suction from a giant elephant-type thing, and was performed from behind the Susano'o at what's probably a more vulnerable point. The Susano'o itself wasn't at it's final stage.

In any case, the Tailed Beast Bomb would destroy even Itachi's Susano'o.

[Isoteen]

That was from behind, and Danzo's wind style is not simple.

V2 Raikage is clearly stronger than V2 Killer Bee. Unless you have the features to prove otherwise.

Killer Bee dodging Amy in base is highly unlikely, as Sasuke was able to read KB3's movements granted they were linear, Killer Bee clearly made it known he was faster in tailed form.

He really didn't even see the Amy flames coming while Bee was in full form. Not sure if he was distracted, but V2 Raikage clearly saw them coming, and easily reacted.

[megabbaut]

V2 Killer Bee is much faster than KB3 in speed, as well as the fact that Sasuke was barely able to react and dodge.

[heroeking]

KB wins by killing Susano'o with a menacing ball. Everything else can be dodged or negated.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by heroeking

KB wins by killing Susano'o with a menacing ball. Everything else can be dodged or negated.

If kb goes full form, he gets Amy'd quite easily.

To be honest, Sasuke kills him at start with Amy.

[heroeking]

Bee can dodge ammy. Ammy is only op when the opponents are close to each other. Anyway, Kb doesn't need the full Hachibi. He can go V2, and end Sasuke pretty quickly.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Bee can dodge ammy. Ammy is only op when the opponents are close to each other. Anyway, Kb doesn't need the full Hachibi. He can go V2, and end Sasuke pretty quickly.

Prove it.

V2 Raikage reacted, but bee did not even see it coming in full 8 tailed form.

Not at all, Bee cannot even dodge Amy at start.

If he decides not to kill him early, then he does exactly what he did to raikage, and Amy's his Susano.

EMS Sasuke could easily activate full Susano in no time. From that point spamming amy should be quite easily.

But he won't, because sasuke in character will start with Amy.

[megabbaut]

Ammy isn't in character for Sasuke. He has never started out with it, and has only used it either in the middle or at the end of a fight. He did not start with it against Bee, A, or Danzo. And against Danzo, he has only used it once. Also, there is no proof yet that EMS Sasuke can activate Susanoo instantly, or if he can spam Ammy.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Ammy isn't in character for Sasuke. He has never started out with it, and has only used it either in the middle or at the end of a fight. He did not start with it against Bee, A, or Danzo. And against Danzo, he has only used it once. Also, there is no proof yet that EMS Sasuke can activate Susanoo instantly, or if he can spam Ammy.

True that, he somehow only uses Amy in dire situations or as a last resort. We should not include EMS because we have not seen the full extent of its power.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Prove it.

V2 Raikage reacted, but bee did not even see it coming in full 8 tailed form.

Not at all, Bee cannot even dodge Amy at start.

If he decides not to kill him early, then he does exactly what he did to raikage, and Amy's his Susano.

EMS Sasuke could easily activate full Susano in no time. From that point spamming amy should be quite easily.

But he won't, because sasuke in character will start with Amy.

Cs2 Sasuke dodged ammy. And if Sasuke goes Susano'o, a menacing ball would easily finish him.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by heroeking

Cs2 Sasuke dodged ammy. And if Sasuke goes Susano'o, a menacing ball would easily finish him.

But going into full tail beast form is OOC for Bee. He only uses it as a last resort.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by vonshadow

But going into full tail beast form is OOC for Bee. He only uses it as a last resort.

Actually he used it against Taka because he was getting annoyed with the fact that Sasuke kept getting healed.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Actually he used it against Taka because he was getting annoyed with the fact that Sasuke kept getting healed.

That too, but still he only uses it as a last resort. But to me that seems like a last resort.

"You keep healing no matter how many times I hit you, might as well obliterate your body so there is nothing left to heal."

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by vonshadow

But going into full tail beast form is OOC for Bee. He only uses it as a last resort.

You don't have to be in full beast form to use menacing ball.