Tier List Poll #3 - 3rd Raikage Vs. 4th Raikage

[TheBlackChidori]

Ok so, to get a majority vote over who should be above who on the tier list, we're gonna do it the old fashioned way and vote.

Who is higher on the Tier List?


No Prep and Manga Knowledge only.

[vonshadow]

Third would win. Why ?? Well for one, Naruto's Rasenshuriken which is wind element base did not even manage to immobilize the 3rd Raikage; plus the third Raikage fought an army of Iwa nin for like 2 days (?) by himself. The first reason proves that the 3rd's raiton armor is way stronger than A's raiton armor. Why ?? A 's raiton armor was pierced by a simple chidori which was lightning based.

Wind > Lightning
Lightning=Lighning

[Isoteen]

I'm confident the 3rd's lightning blade would pierce the 4th's armor quite easily.

However the inconsistent feature in which he was blitzed and basically assisted suicide by Sage Naruto means the 4th probably wouldn't have a problem evading this man.

If the 4th Punches him enough, I believe his shield will faulter.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

I'm confident the 3rd's lightning blade would pierce the 4th's armor quite easily.

However the inconsistent feature in which he was blitzed and basically assisted suicide by Sage Naruto means the 4th probably wouldn't have a problem evading this man.

If the 4th Punches him enough, I believe his shield will faulter.

How will his shield falter when a Rasenshuriken could not even penetrate it. I think one hit by 3rd Raikage's Nukite and A is finished. Plus the 3rd Raikage's base durability is way more powerful than A's. I think.

[Isoteen]

Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

A only managed to crack a rib not break it off.

The 3rd Raikage managed to punch through two layers of earth release mud wall and the rubber wall that served as a dampener.

How durable is Juugo's body ??? Is it hard and diamond like??? Or is it like any normal body. If it is just a normal body, not really impressive. Juugo didnt die from it too.

[Isoteen]

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

How is the 3rd's strength relevant to the 4th's ability to pierce his cloak? Lol

I would assume the massive hype behind curse form durability would serve to make the Raikage's massive hole punch viable as a penetration feature.

A crack, a break. Whatever.

All we know is he's faster, and he packs the strongest punch in the manga.

[deidara330]

The Third Raikage knows his son, so he'd probably go directly for the finger attack which I forgot the name of. He fought the Eight-Tails directly and I believe cut off one of its horns with that attack, so A shouldn't be able to stand up to it. Given that the Third should outclass A in speed and strength, I don't see A winning the fight. Ninjutsu-wise, the Third also has the Black Lightning technique.

[vonshadow]

The 4th Raikage piercing whose cloak ???

The 3rd Raikage did not make just a crack or break in the wall. He made a HUGE hole in it

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by vonshadow

The 4th Raikage piercing whose cloak ???

The 3rd Raikage did not make just a crack or break in the wall. He made a HUGE hole in it

The 3rd's strength is irrelevant, he was owned by Sage Naruto.

A is faster. He won't be touched.

If anyone is going to pierce it, it will definitely be A.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

The 3rd's strength is irrelevant, he was owned by Sage Naruto.

A is faster. He won't be touched.

If anyone is going to pierce it, it will definitely be A.

Even if we look closely, the Rasengan just moved his hand. It did not even damage the elbow. The Rasengan's concussive force shifted its direction so it would hit himself.

And again no way can A pierce his father's armor if a tailed beast bomb and rasenshuriken cant. Remember wind elements is naturally strong against lightning so the damage rasenshuriken does is more powerful than any lightning against lightning attack.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by vonshadow

Even if we look closely, the Rasengan just moved his hand. It did not even damage the elbow. The Rasengan's concussive force shifted its direction so it would hit himself.

And again no way can A pierce his father's armor if a tailed beast bomb and rasenshuriken cant. Remember wind elements is naturally strong against lightning so the damage rasenshuriken does is more powerful than any lightning against lightning attack.

Again the 3rd was not hit with a Menacing ball.

I addressed this already. You didn't give proof.

I also addressed the probable fact that the 4th's punches are probably more powerful than both of those attacks in terms of piercing ability. If you can't agree with that logic than whatever.

Scientifically that's non sense. Does wind blow the lightning away? Not sure how it weakens it.

Sage Naruto moved directly out of the way of the 3rd Raikage's blitz, and slammed his arm into his chest with a Rasengan. He is not fast enough to hit A, at any point.

While A riddles him with the most powerful strikes in the manga all day. All I can prove now is it's a stalemate.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Again the 3rd was not hit with a Menacing ball.

I addressed this already. You didn't give proof.

I also addressed the probable fact that the 4th's punches are probably more powerful than both of those attacks in terms of piercing ability. If you can't agree with that logic than whatever.

Scientifically that's non sense. Does wind blow the lightning away? Not sure how it weakens it.

Sage Naruto moved directly out of the way of the 3rd Raikage's blitz, and slammed his arm into his chest with a Rasengan. He is not fast enough to hit A, at any point.

While A riddles him with the most powerful strikes in the manga all day. All I can prove now is it's a stalemate.

It is naruto physics that wind > lightning. dont bring in real life science.
Check Chapter 555 pg 10. Hachibi said that he may have made the scar with Tailed Beast Bomb, but was not sure since he and the 3rd fainted after they exchanged blows.

A' s attack is strong I will give you that, but not as strong as his father's that is for sure.

It wont end in a stalmate, one single nukite blow to A and he is dead. The 3rd also fought 100,000 Iwa nin for three days straight. You dont survive that long if your armor is weak. I dont think even A can match his father's feat.

[heroeking]

3rd Raikage eaily wins because of his op durability.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by vonshadow

It is naruto physics that wind > lightning. dont bring in real life science.
Check Chapter 555 pg 10. Hachibi said that he may have made the scar with Tailed Beast Bomb, but was not sure since he and the 3rd fainted after they exchanged blows.

A' s attack is strong I will give you that, but not as strong as his father's that is for sure.

It wont end in a stalmate, one single nukite blow to A and he is dead. The 3rd also fought 100,000 Iwa nin for three days straight. You dont survive that long if your armor is weak. I dont think even A can match his father's feat.

Naruto physics don't matter. We're talking scientifically. No lightning user in the manga has ever had trouble with wind affinity.

Prove it?

I don't recall the 3rd Raikage cracking a Susano rib, or breaking them (Sasuke's), therefore I'll consider this a stalemate as there is no way the 3rd lands a single strike.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Naruto physics don't matter. We're talking scientifically. No lightning user in the manga has ever had trouble with wind affinity.

Prove it?

I don't recall the 3rd Raikage cracking a Susano rib, or breaking them (Sasuke's), therefore I'll consider this a stalemate as there is no way the 3rd lands a single strike.

But it is a known fact that lightning element is weak against wind. Everyone knows that, from Temari to Dodai to Kakashi to Yamato.

We can't prove whether he can break a rib because he never fought him. However the 3rd has shown to be able to solo 100,000 Iwa nins, chops of the Hachibi's tail, as well as solo the Hachibi and break through two layers of mud wall and a third layer of rubber wall that was meant to absorb the remaining force but obviously failed to do so.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

When did 4th Raikage break a susano'o rib? Also Sasuke didn't have the full Susano'o out during the Kage Summit.

Also if Rasenshuriken didn't break the 3rd's armor no way he's being hurt by the 4th's punches.

[Isoteen]

Originally Posted by heroeking

When did 4th Raikage break a susano'o rib? Also Sasuke didn't have the full Susano'o out during the Kage Summit.

Also if Rasenshuriken didn't break the 3rd's armor no way he's being hurt by the 4th's punches.

He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

[vonshadow]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

If A could do that, then his father can do much more damage.

I think A would still lose as he cannot penetrate his father's armor.

[heroeking]

Originally Posted by Isoteen

He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

Tsuchikage made Raikage's punch stronger.

Chapter and page where Raikage broke the ribs. As far as I've seen, he only knocked it back.

A also can't hurt the 3rd.