Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato

TheBlackChidori · 11-30-2011, 01:26 AM

Ok so, to get a majority vote over who should be above who on the tier list, we're gonna do it the old fashioned way and vote.

Who is higher on the Tier List?

No Prep and Manga Knowledge only.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 05:28 AM

I have a question. Can Itachi's tsukiyomi effect Nagato??

Ultimate combatant · 11-30-2011, 05:31 AM

Is this Pain Nagato, or Nagato himself. And if himself, is he crippled or normal?

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 05:32 AM

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Is this Pain Nagato, or Nagato himself. And if himself, is he crippled or normal?

Most likely it would be just Nagato and healthy. Can't really fight if you are in a wheelchair

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 11:19 AM

Negato has the power to absorb chakra, create 6 paths, pull gravity and meteors, summon gigantic beasts who have quite the amazing abilities, including invisibility and seemingly physical invulnerability (Dog), revive human beings, read minds, fire chakra missiles and laser beams, and use all 5 chakra elements. Yeah, on the tier scale, Itachi doesn't even compare.

At this point his abilities remain the most impressive out of all of the Rinnegan users, in terms of full scale abilities.

In a one on one battle, however, Negato would lose due to Genjutsu, as most ninja would.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 01:57 PM

I don't think Tsukuyomi would affect too much. His body is too strong especially in his prime, and he could easily break out of regular genjutsu. Chibaka Tensei and Itachi dies.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 02:04 PM

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I don't think Tsukuyomi would affect too much. His body is too strong especially in his prime, and he could easily break out of regular genjutsu. Chibaka Tensei and Itachi dies.

I don't recall Negato breaking out of a single Genjutsu.

Negato was not strong physically. Having a strong body has nothing to do with Genjutsu, Negato was normal physically.

With no features, he cannot counter Genjutsu.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 02:06 PM

I would say that Itachi takes this because of his mastership of genjutsu.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 02:22 PM

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I don't recall Negato breaking out of a single Genjutsu.

Negato was not strong physically. Having a strong body has nothing to do with Genjutsu, Negato was normal physically.

With no features, he cannot counter Genjutsu.

Most basic ninjas can disturb their chakra flow. Your logic is like, because we haven't seen Tsunade walk on water that means she can't. Also Kakashi was able to stand even after being an a full strength tsukuyomi. I'm sure Nagato has the durability to do it to. Which leaves him wide open to be attacked which ends this in Nagato's favor.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 02:25 PM

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Most basic ninjas can disturb their chakra flow. Your logic is like, because we haven't seen Tsunade walk on water that means she can't. Also Kakashi was able to stand even after being an a full strength tsukuyomi. I'm sure Nagato has the durability to do it to. Which leaves him wide open to be attacked which ends this in Nagato's favor.

True. But probably Itachi didnt release its full power since I am pretty sure he did not want to kill kakashi or permanently incapacitate him.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 02:36 PM

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True. But probably Itachi didnt release its full power since I am pretty sure he did not want to kill kakashi or permanently incapacitate him.

Tsukuyomi hasn't shown killing ability and Itachi's tsukuyomi is supposesly the strongest seen.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 02:39 PM

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Tsukuyomi hasn't shwon killing ability and Itachi's tsukuyomi is supposesly the strongest seen.

True, but we maybe have not seen the full extent of its power. Maybe.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

Most basic ninjas can disturb their chakra flow. Your logic is like, because we haven't seen Tsunade walk on water that means she can't. Also Kakashi was able to stand even after being an a full strength tsukuyomi. I'm sure Nagato has the durability to do it to. Which leaves him wide open to be attacked which ends this in Nagato's favor.

This is not basic chakra control you dunce.

This is MS Genjutsu where Itachi can control the illusion of time.

Once he's in genjutsu Itachi simply burns him to death with a Katon release.

You're seriously considering someone with no genjutsu features can survive, or more so remain completely unfazed after being put into it?

I've literally just saw you put Naruto as losing to Itachi via MS Genjutsu, yet Negato is able to counter it with no features? LOL

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 04:24 PM

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This is not basic chakra control you dunce.

This is MS Genjutsu where Itachi can control the illusion of time.

Once he's in genjutsu Itachi simply burns him to death with a Katon release.

You're seriously considering someone with no genjutsu features can survive, or more so remain completely unfazed after being put into it?

I've literally just saw you put Naruto as losing to Itachi via MS Genjutsu, yet Negato is able to counter it with no features? LOL

Most ninja can break genjutsu. Hence in the chunin exams arc, shikamaru, sakura, and most jonin broke free of Kabuto's genjutsu by disrupting their chakra.

Itachi can't use katon and genjutsu at the same time. The only affects of Tsukuyomi are either serious mental damage such as a coma or a fear affect. Kakashi was able to withstand it and still walk afterwords. If Nagato is able to stand after going through tsukuyomi then it's all over for Itachi. Anyway, Itachi wouldn't use tsukuyomi first as shown when Itachi "did" fight Nagato.

vonshadow · 11-30-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

Most ninja can break genjutsu. Hence in the chunin exams arc, shikamaru, sakura, and most jonin broke free of Kabuto's genjutsu by disrupting their chakra.

Itachi can't use katon and genjutsu at the same time. The only affects of Tsukuyomi are either serious mental damage such as a coma or a fear affect. Kakashi was able to withstand it and still walk afterwords. If Nagato is able to stand after going through tsukuyomi then it's all over for Itachi. Anyway, Itachi wouldn't use tsukuyomi first as shown when Itachi "did" fight Nagato.

No way Itachi can break out of Tsukuyomi since it is a Kekkei Genkai based Genjutsu.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 04:46 PM

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No way Itachi can break out of Tsukuyomi since it is a Kekkei Genkai based Genjutsu.

??? No I was talking abotu regular genjutsu for the top part.

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by heroeking

Most ninja can break genjutsu. Hence in the chunin exams arc, shikamaru, sakura, and most jonin broke free of Kabuto's genjutsu by disrupting their chakra.

Itachi can't use katon and genjutsu at the same time. The only affects of Tsukuyomi are either serious mental damage such as a coma or a fear affect. Kakashi was able to withstand it and still walk afterwords. If Nagato is able to stand after going through tsukuyomi then it's all over for Itachi. Anyway, Itachi wouldn't use tsukuyomi first as shown when Itachi "did" fight Nagato.

That was a massive Genjutsu used by a medical ninja, Kabuto. Very weak.

This is the strongest Genjutsu in the manga.

Negato literally has no Genjutsu features, he is not breaking out, nor is he surviving the fireball that comes directly afterwards.

Itachi can hold Genjutsu as long as he wants. We saw this when he used simple ocular genjutsu on Killer Bee, the crows moving toward him were actually shurikens.

Negato loses very easily here.

Itachi will use his MS Genjutsu, he is battling a Rinnegan user in Negato, and he knows his power.

Tsukuymi lasts as long as Itachi wants it to, we saw this when he was screwing with Orochimaru, he cut his hand off before Orochimaru could break out. We also saw it with Deidara, who nearly wound up blowing himself up, then he released the Genjutsu.

Anybody caught in this technique will not survive.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

That was a massive Genjutsu used by a medical ninja, Kabuto. Very weak.

Assumption?

This is the strongest Genjutsu in the manga.

Actually Kotoatsumaki is.

Negato literally has no Genjutsu features, he is not breaking out, nor is he surviving the fireball that comes directly afterwards.

Itachi can't attack directly after using tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi also affects Itachi, if you haven't forgot.

Itachi can hold Genjutsu as long as he wants. We saw this when he used simple ocular genjutsu on Killer Bee, the crows moving toward him were actually shurikens.

The longer you hold a genjutsu, the more chakra it takes.

Negato loses very easily here.

Nope.

Itachi will use his MS Genjutsu, he is battling a Rinnegan user in Negato, and he knows his power.

Itachi didn't use tsukuyomi and he had just fought him like 7 chapters ago.

Tsukuymi lasts as long as Itachi wants it to, we saw this when he was screwing with Orochimaru, he cut his hand off before Orochimaru could break out. We also saw it with Deidara, who nearly wound up blowing himself up, then he released the Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi only last 72 hours as stated in the manga. That was Itachi's heavenly mirror technique, and Nagato has no technique which itachi can mirror which would affect him.

Anybody caught in this technique will not survive.

Kakashi survived. Sasuke survived. Kakashi survived twice. Sasuke survived twice. Shii survived.

In white

Isoteen · 11-30-2011, 05:11 PM

That's because Itachi decided not to kill them afterwards.

What are you smoking man? Lol

Until you provide a Genjutsu resistance feature this debate is currently over.

Negato cannot defeat him. Orochimaru stumbled in the sight of MS Genjutsu, and Itachi cut his hand off warning him while he was still under his power. Yeah, you're screwed Nagato.

Also, Itachi basically used Amy directly after he used his Tsukuyomi on Naruto to burn Nagato.

He also used a phoenix fire style shuriken technique while bee was captured in normal ocular genjutsu.

That wraps that up.

heroeking · 11-30-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Isoteen

That's because Itachi decided not to kill them afterwards.

Yea yea yea....."ssumptions"

What are you smoking man? Lol

Evidence to the fact you don't know the manga. The strongest genjutsu is Shisui ms.

Until you provide a Genjutsu resistance feature this debate is currently over.

Don't need one. Tsukuyomi doesn't kill people. Prove tsukuyomi kills people.

Negato cannot defeat him. Orochimaru stumbled in the sight of MS Genjutsu, and Itachi cut his hand off warning him while he was still under his power. Yeah, you're screwed Nagato.

You can't use another jutsu and genjutsu at the same time.

Also, Itachi basically used Amy directly after he used his Tsukuyomi on Naruto to burn Nagato.

That's edo Itachi.

He also used a phoenix fire style shuriken technique while bee was captured in normal ocular genjutsu.

No he didn't.

That wraps that up.

Nope.

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11-30-2011, 01:26 AM	#1
TheBlackChidori Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wherever the Winds of Fate take me. Posts: 14,869 Rep Power: 0	Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato Ok so, to get a majority vote over who should be above who on the tier list, we're gonna do it the old fashioned way and vote. Who is higher on the Tier List? No Prep and Manga Knowledge only.

11-30-2011, 05:31 AM	#3
Ultimate combatant Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,249 Rep Power: 15	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato Is this Pain Nagato, or Nagato himself. And if himself, is he crippled or normal?

11-30-2011, 11:19 AM	#5
Isoteen Chunin Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,169 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato Negato has the power to absorb chakra, create 6 paths, pull gravity and meteors, summon gigantic beasts who have quite the amazing abilities, including invisibility and seemingly physical invulnerability (Dog), revive human beings, read minds, fire chakra missiles and laser beams, and use all 5 chakra elements. Yeah, on the tier scale, Itachi doesn't even compare. At this point his abilities remain the most impressive out of all of the Rinnegan users, in terms of full scale abilities. In a one on one battle, however, Negato would lose due to Genjutsu, as most ninja would.

11-30-2011, 01:57 PM	#6
heroeking Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: u.s. Posts: 1,766 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato I don't think Tsukuyomi would affect too much. His body is too strong especially in his prime, and he could easily break out of regular genjutsu. Chibaka Tensei and Itachi dies.

11-30-2011, 05:28 AM	#2
vonshadow Master Debater Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hidden MapleLeaf Village Posts: 1,243 Rep Power: 8	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato I have a question. Can Itachi's tsukiyomi effect Nagato?? __________________ The Village Hidden in the Jungle Shinobi of The Village Hidden in the Jungle "Becoming a jinchūriki, you can lose a lot, and your heart goes hollow, but if you got things you don't want to lose, they become a light to follow! The tailed beasts aren't our only source of strength! What was inside our hearts before the monster... shines like a sun, powers us to any length! That's where our true power comes from!" - Killer Bee " Cool head, agile mind." - Shikaku Nara

11-30-2011, 02:06 PM	#8
vonshadow Master Debater Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hidden MapleLeaf Village Posts: 1,243 Rep Power: 8	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato I would say that Itachi takes this because of his mastership of genjutsu. __________________ The Village Hidden in the Jungle Shinobi of The Village Hidden in the Jungle "Becoming a jinchūriki, you can lose a lot, and your heart goes hollow, but if you got things you don't want to lose, they become a light to follow! The tailed beasts aren't our only source of strength! What was inside our hearts before the monster... shines like a sun, powers us to any length! That's where our true power comes from!" - Killer Bee " Cool head, agile mind." - Shikaku Nara

11-30-2011, 05:11 PM	#19
Isoteen Chunin Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,169 Rep Power: 0	Re: Tier List Poll #2 - Itachi and Nagato That's because Itachi decided not to kill them afterwards. What are you smoking man? Lol Until you provide a Genjutsu resistance feature this debate is currently over. Negato cannot defeat him. Orochimaru stumbled in the sight of MS Genjutsu, and Itachi cut his hand off warning him while he was still under his power. Yeah, you're screwed Nagato. Also, Itachi basically used Amy directly after he used his Tsukuyomi on Naruto to burn Nagato. He also used a phoenix fire style shuriken technique while bee was captured in normal ocular genjutsu. That wraps that up. Last edited by Isoteen; 11-30-2011 at 05:14 PM.

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