Who I believe Tobi to truly be, very detailed

[Potheadsage]

I actually had this same thought although I think fugaku fooled his own son and used him to . I believe he intended for his son to play the villain(itachi) and sasuke to resurrect clan. But I also think he might have experimented on himself with the Firsts DNA like madara did. He definately could have fooled itachi with zetsu style clones like kiseme did with bee to make him think he was dead. But I do think he had to kill his clan or let itachi do it so that everyone would focus on itachi as the villain leaving him free to set atkatsuki in motion.

[Potheadsage]

Writing on my phone so I am sorry in advance if I slip up in my gramer or spelling.
Now to business
Someone on this post mentioned that fugaku was headless so Toni couldn't be him. Well that is interesting and convienient the same thing happened to kiseme clone during the A and bee fight. Also fugaku is a lot like madara in showing contempt for shinobi he feels are not elite. His own son did a genin lvl attack move and he barely bats an eyelash. Tobi is also like this. If madara did coordinate with Tobi and Tobi was fugaku it would make sense that he would try to do what madara did and use the firsts DNA to make himself stronger. But I think it didn't work out how he hoped and he was left as half the man he actually was. I could just hear orochimaru laughing. All of these guys were in root together also. And shared a hate for the village (orochimaru, fugaku, danzo) fugaku would have been the only one madara would have trusted. But also madara most likely looked down on fugaku since he didn't awaken the strongest eyes like him. Danzo probably betrayed fugaku and orochimaru and took the eyes from the uchiha for himself leaving fugaku needing to wait years in order to put his plan into motion.

Let me know if this sounds possible

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Originally Posted by Gints861

I know this is my first post here but I have an interesting theory myself (please correct me if I missed something along the way) about who Tobi is. Now before you attack me, please read through and see what you think....here we go...

I think Tobi is Kakashi's father...

Here are a few reasons I think its at least possible.

1) His dad apparently committed suicide. Kakashi visits Obito's grave but I dont recall him doing the same for his father (though a gravestone could be a cover as well). Had he used the bitterness and went rogue, suicide would be a great cover up for the leaf village.

2) Maybe Kakashi inherited the ability to either copy/control jutsu from his father and its not to do with his Sharingan at all. If Kakashi has enough control/copy ability to activate Mangekyou without being a true Uchiha..it would make sense given what Tobi can do as well with using so many different types of jutsu and eyes.

3) Tobi said he "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato and pushed him to start the Akatsuki. Was he referring to taking part for Konoha in the wars and therefore "giving" Nagato what was needed (hate, Pain). Also, Granny Chiyo specifically mentioned "white fang" as the killer of Sasori's parents and was about to attack Kakashi at one point. That also leads me to believe they were unaware of his death (White fangs) that seemed to be public knowledge I had thought. Also, Kakashi never said he was dead in the chapter.

4) Some side things as well.... I forget what chapter off hand but a reference to having white hair (because of the extreme power that came through Nagato) was made by Tobi while getting the Rinnegan. How would he know that unless his was turned black because of the extreme dark power (a reach but still) and what extreme power came through Kakashi?


Now... this only leaves the scene where Kakashi meets his father (apparently in the afterlife) as my glaring hole in the theory. However..when Kakashi was "killed" by Pain with the nail, he actually ended up teleporting the nail so he could tell Choji to relay info on how to fight Pain. Kakashi then seemed to pass out more so than die. Was it possible that Kakashi was put under a Genjutsu to appear he was meeting his Dad the way he remembered him? Was Tobi watching? Did he know Kakashi was not yet dead and wanted to further cement his cover up? Kakashi would probably be the most dangerous to him and the last person he would want to know who he actually is.

Just a theory...but it would explain why Kakashi has been a main character, if not the main character to some, in the entire series. His background as well as his father's is also not explained in detail at all.

Im curious what you guys think..

i've never heard of this one before...
Sakumo....that'd be so weird..Kakashi would freak.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Personally, the Fugaku possibility is by far the best one, but how dare you forget Tobi being Kagami.

[dattebane]

At last a theory that makes sense.
But I am still confused with Fugaku placed genjustu on Itachi.

[Maruko]

He places a genjutsu on Itachi? Seems impossible to me.
Also, Sasuke saw Itachi killing his parents, so Fugaku placed a genjutsu on Sasuke too?

And, what kind of father would use his own son to make him synchronise with Gedou Mazou?

[aimop95]

Only problem I have with this theory is that why would Fugaku allow Itachi to live after slaughtering the entire clan?

He had multiple chances to take him out (and probably could anyway), but instead, the character Tobi seems to be quite content in letting Itachi do what he wants.

Also, Madara was long dead before Fugaku was long born (or at least old enough to do anything), so how does that still account for Fugaku knowing so much about Madara's personal life.

[Inferno Death]

Izuna would know a lot about Madara since he is Madara's brother

[THE susanoo]

why would the person responisable for the whole assassination of the uchiha clan help? it was fugaku who thought of the uprising against konha, and for that reason they were all killed, so why would he help kill them all?

[slyfoxx]

huh tobi is tobi and tobi was a good boy til he got his hands on the rinnegan. i belive tobi is a zetsu upgrade. it seem like he was following the plan (madara's) till he got the eyes back.
tobi cant be fugaku he has real arms not tobi goo and if fugaku had any of tobi abillities hed be more famous. powers and amazing jutsus never go unnotice. I said this before tobi could be a clone fusion of the 1st and mainly the second because the spacetime jutsu. I think the addition of the sharrigan would make any jutsu better give the user a better understanding of everything making tobirama's spacetime that much better.

[Zack_of_Steel]

Starting your theory off by saying "I don't think it's ___ because I just don't think so" is not a great way to make the rest of your theory any more legitimate.

I posted an Izuna theory that made a lot more ties into how Tobi has Hashirama's DNA and knows all about Madara, et cetera, but that's dismissed because you "would hate for the story to turn out that way, its just stupid"?

Logical.


If it's supposedly Fugaku, why the hell would Itachi or Sasuke not realize who he is? They can hear his voice, right?

"Yeah, but Tobi's powerful, he could change his voice!"

Yeah, Tobi's powerful and also stockpiles eyes. It's a lot more plausible that he gave his eyes to his elder brother so that he could go steal Hashirama's DNA for their plan, knowing that he could jack another pair of eyes later. It also makes sense as to how Nagato got his Rinnegan from Tobi, which Tobi has stated. They were Izuna's eyes that evolved in Madara before Madara died.

[Potheadsage]

just wondering about the izuna Nagato connections how is it that izuna knows nagato and Fugaku does not. also how does a person go about getting another persons eyes if they are uchiha and they have none. not saying it is not possible i just would be interested in this theory because its not out of the realm of possiblity.

However to answer the Fugaku was not a great ninja is highly unlikely. true power won't always go around showing off what they can do. all of the latest discoveries about the rennigen and sharingan we all are just learning so why is it so far fetched that Fugaku could have hidden what he was capable of.

Last if Itachi could murder the rest of his clan so could his dad. it could have been simple misdirection. He could have used his son knowing he could take care of hiself and left sasuke in the care of the village until he could possibly harvest his eyes if he didn't believe he was strong enough. Itachi on the other hand might not want to confront his dad if he had a suspicion that he was tobi because that could mean he was really decieved. sasuke may have been following the orders of Danzo not tobi but Danzo was following the suggestions of Tobi/masked man.

Just a thought i may think of more connections later

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by aimop95

Also, Madara was long dead before Fugaku was long born (or at least old enough to do anything), so how does that still account for Fugaku knowing so much about Madara's personal life.

not true. Madara lived to within 10-15 years of akatsuki. Nagato's boyhood is when madara died. maybe 10 years later...ish yahiko forms akatsuki with konan and nagato

[Potheadsage]

I believe that he killed the whole clan because he believe'd them to be of more use to his plan as a livestock of eyes and he could always revive them if he awakened the rennigan. plus i think that itachi new that most of the uchiha would side with his dad in a takeover. If this happened he would have to fight them and protect the village from them because they could cause a lot of deaths. to avoid that itachi killed them so Fugaku went along with it knowing he would still get the eyes. I think Itachi knows who Tobi is and picked being against him to save his brother from looking up to there father by showing him what his dad way of the ninja meant upclose and personal. Itachi probably felt that it would be better for sasuke to see this than watch his clan turn into a bunch of backstabbing murderers. to bad it kinda backfired but he still never told Sasuke all of his suspicions of there father and clans ideals. i think very few uchihas were like obito itachi and Sasuke

[Anbu_DAN]

fugaku would be a good candidate but... two things:

1) the only thing that makes it hard to theorize is the "zetsu factor!" TOBI has been shown to bled the same WHITE GOO that white zetsu is made up of!
Tho i give slack to theorists bcuz we dont truly know to much about him to begin with, but he alone can more than likely be the WRENCH or curveball in ones theory but i belive as soon as we truly know all there is to know of zetsu (if tobi is yet to be revealed) then we can all possibly get a even closer assumption to TOBIs true identity!

2) The popular rebuttal here seems to be HOW CAN ITACHI FALL INTO A FUGAKU GENJUTSU? or WHY WOULD FUGAKU ALLOW ITACHI TO GET AWAY WITH IT?

my answer.. umm maybe just maybe... to allow sasuke to live!!!! danzo did make a STRONG POINT about the unknowing being killed by being guilty by association! is it farfetched that if tobi is faugaku that his desire was to have his sons join him eventually! ITACHI WAS ALREADY AKATSUKI can well SASUKE is pretty much on a dark/revengeful path!

[kitsune no naruto]

Ha! the manga just came out and its proof that Tobi is not Fukaku! but it was a nice theory... not too well thought out, or even remotely provable from the start and the only real "evidence" you had was that it would suck for it not to be.... but still, it wasn't the cleche that kishimoto is likly to make it.