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Old 10-20-2011, 03:35 AM   #1
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Default The Answer to How Hashirama Beat Madara

Tobi said that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato right? So here is my theory, Tobi is Madara (I don't understand how) and he gave the RINNEGAN to Nagato right? I'm assuming that Tobi is a zetsu clone thing, and that at the end of Madara's lifetime before he fought Hashirama, he gave his newly evolved eyes (EMS to Rinnegan) to Nagato.

I'm going to agree with Kalmeast's theory on how there can be two Madaras and say that THAT is how there are two.

1.Madara received the Rinnegan,
2.Madara gave the power to Nagato(somehow) as did Itachi to Sasuke.
3.Nagato awakened it after Madara died, when his parents were killed during the Second War.
4.Tobi came into our world.

If you're still wondering how Hashirama beat Madara, it's because he didn't have eyes to fight him with... He knew he wouldn't be able to rule the world with Hashirama around, so he was reincarnated long after Hashirama died.

Remember how Tobi was around during the Third War? He had a clash with Minato and summoned the Nine Tails. It makes sense if he came into being during the Second War.

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Nope, because my theory doesn't deal with that weird Soul or Body stuff.

Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, he died, Nagato awakened Rinnegan, Madara ressurected.

THUS, Madara can still be ET'd. Just like how Neji and Choji can still be ET'd.

Edo Tensei only requires someone to have DIED, not be currently dead.

Tobi is Madara's body(resurrected) and soul.

ET Madara is Madara's body(lightly speaking because of the sacrifice for ET) and soul.

The only difference being that ET Madara doesn't know what's happening in the world currently or that he was even ressurected. (Madara's original body is in the ground somewhere)

Sorry to bring religion into this, but it's the same thing as how Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They're not three separate parts.

Not saying I believe this^ But I do believe my theory.

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THUS, Madara can still be ET'd. Just like how Neji and Choji can still be ET'd.

Edo Tensei only requires someone to have DIED, not be currently dead.

No. We have already been told that the specific requirements of ET is that the resurrected soul MUST currently be in the PURE world meaning the DO have to be dead.
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^This, and besides, Neji and Choji never died, they only came close to death.
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No. We have already been told that the specific requirements of ET is that the resurrected soul MUST currently be in the PURE world meaning the DO have to be dead.
So according to what you say, and Manga logic of the Narutoverse, Madara can't be Tobi? At all? So I guess I'm back to my other theory. Although I am keeping this in mind.
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So according to what you say, and Manga logic of the Narutoverse, Madara can't be Tobi? At all? So I guess I'm back to my other theory. Although I am keeping this in mind.
Madara could have split himself or made a non jutsu clone and afterwards copy his memories into the clone... and there are even more possibilities...
But no matter what, I am looking forward to read the story about Tobi
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I thought for #3, Madara said he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, not Nagato awakening it?
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I thought for #3, Madara said he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, not Nagato awakening it?
If Madara knew he was going to die, he would have implanted it into Nagato, and sequentially died, hoping he would rezz him.

Obviously something went screwy
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If Madara knew he was going to die, he would have implanted it into Nagato, and sequentially died, hoping he would rezz him.

Obviously something went screwy
According to my theory, everything went according to plan for Madara/Tobi.
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Maybe Madara hadn't awakened the rinnegan at the time he fought Hashirama. Madara survived that fight and lived for many years afterwards he only awakened the rinnegan when he was close to his death. He used Hashirama's DNA to make Tobi and Zetsu then gave the rinnegan to Nagato so he could ressurect him in the future. Tobi was created to make sure this happened and Madara implanted his memories in Tobi. Tobi is a Madara Zetsu clone.
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Madara lost to him at VoTE and 'died' there... But faked it, itachi agrees with that. But just to add to it; Danzou and so forth called Madara to help Itachi kill the clan.
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Madara lost to him at VoTE and 'died' there... But faked it, itachi agrees with that. But just to add to it; Danzou and so forth called Madara to help Itachi kill the clan.
Yeah, and according to my theory, Madara, instead of just dying, transferred his Rinnegan powers to Nagato (that little brat managed to grow) and he was reborn as Tobi. And then also ET'd by Kabuto.

Does anyone think this is plausible/possible?(not sure which word to use)
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Madara lost to him at VoTE and 'died' there... But faked it, itachi agrees with that. But just to add to it; Danzou and so forth called Madara to help Itachi kill the clan.
Itachi agrees yet the Manga evidence shows Madara did die.-.-

We know he died at some point.
During Tobiramas reign we saw his Grave.

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That was 70 years ago.-.-
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That was 70 years ago.-.-
Yep. Nagato wasn't born and somehow Madara gave it to him. Think about it, the only people who can achieve Rinnegan are those who have Senju blood right? Nagato isn't a Senju or an Uchiha. How else would he have received the Rinnegan? Through sheer randomness? I don't think so.
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Nope, because my theory doesn't deal with that weird Soul or Body stuff.

Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, he died, Nagato awakened Rinnegan, Madara ressurected.

THUS, Madara can still be ET'd. Just like how Neji and Choji can still be ET'd.

Edo Tensei only requires someone to have DIED, not be currently dead.

Tobi is Madara's body(resurrected) and soul.

ET Madara is Madara's body(lightly speaking because of the sacrifice for ET) and soul.

The only difference being that ET Madara doesn't know what's happening in the world currently or that he was even ressurected. (Madara's original body is in the ground somewhere)

Sorry to bring religion into this, but it's the same thing as how Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They're not three separate parts.

Not saying I believe this^ But I do believe my theory.
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How could Madara possibly give Nagato the Rinnegan before fighting the 1st Hokage, that is utterly impossible time wise.
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Nagato isn't immortal, even jiraya was older than him. So how the h*ll did madara give nagato his so-called evolved eyes before his death or is it after?. Ponder on that. But remember he said his eyes evolved moments after his death (after Hashirama killed him)
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Nagato isn't immortal, even jiraya was older than him. So how the h*ll did madara give nagato his so-called evolved eyes before his death or is it after?. Ponder on that. But remember he said his eyes evolved moments after his death (after Hashirama killed him)
It's not that he gave it to Nagato, it's that he allowed the best candidate to achieve his Rinnegan.

Nagato wanting to change the world = best candidate as he's part of Jiraiya's prophecy thing.
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