TOBI (man behind the mask) is Obito Uchiha

[EnigmaNinja]

Originally Posted by MasterMind

You only know the body is Uchiha Obito's body. It can be hard to understand, I don't mention any bad things. I follow these at maximum and I know timings and every little points. And Wanted to share my opinions. I can't say anything if it's hard to understand. But what you say is not true: "Don't comment if you don't agree with us". It's just proven Obito has no way to know all those(you must be following good enough to know what I meant with "all those"). Have Fun !

cocky much? I bet i know 2 times more than you about naruto. trust me bud i know exactly what you mean when you say "all those" although you may know a lot about naruto you can definitely express it more accordingly to your thoughts. Im saying that im trying to comprehend what you are saying but your writing is a little bit fuzzy, as i said hard to understand. Sorry for saying you cant comment i was just really excited that i was correct.
For the obito not being able to know everything. what makes you say that? we know nothing about HOW obito became tobi or how he survived. Zetsu could of told him all these things, obito could of been lieing. he did lie about saying he was madara. I cant give you a accurate answer but no worries like a lot of people said kishi has a lot of explaining to do.

[roberto2]

But now, what will kakashi do?
Will he die?

[EnigmaNinja]

i think that someone will interrupt there fight, quite possibly oro and sasuke. to question tobi. then we will see what happens then.

[sanguinegarden]

Originally Posted by EnigmaNinja

i think that someone will interrupt there fight, quite possibly oro and sasuke. to question tobi. then we will see what happens then.

Agreed. I think Oro has a major part to play in this story arc (Tobi), I believe Kishi had Oro resurrected to shed light on his involvement in Tobi's existence. Just my opinion.

[Emohkinz]

Yeah sasuke will probably show up soon.

Anyways, what makes me think it's obitos soul, not just his body, is because of how much he cared about rin. And if you remember back to the last chapter, when he said to kakashi that thing about making excuses at the grave site.

Like I said before we know how people can change when they want revenge or start hanging out with the wrong crowd.

[Sajuuk]

I've moved this to Town Bookstore as too many spoilers from the latest chapter are entering the thread and I don't want anime only users to complain about being spoiled

On another note: I can't believe that Kishi would actually prove a ton of people right and make Tobi be Obito Uchiha. A lot of this doesn't really make any sense tbh.

[MyM_Milton]

Some little things for everybody to have in mind when posting some ideas: Rin's death and how Kakashi got his mangekyou sharingan are still a mistery and since Kakashi is having some contact with his past now it would be a good opportunity for the story to tell us about that, and we all know Obito (who just came back to the story at least his body) wouldn't be very happy about the first matter. We also know Sasuke revived Orochimaru to put some light on the issue, and we know this one likes doing experiments a lot and also he always wanted an Uchiha's body, so he could be pretty involved in this (either into Obito's recover if that was possible or into Obito's way to attack Konoha if previous thing was right). Another very important matter is Obito's space-time ninjutsu, it is not something common on Sharingan (I'm not sure about this but not even Madara used it, despite Tobi saying he had Uchiha Madara's powers) but it is still a part of it. Since Kakashi can use Kamui, we could say Obito got that from his bloodline, and we know not one thing about his past. If that ability was owned by his family, somebody from Konoha should have known this, mostly Minato, but when he engaged Tobi in Kyubi's attack it was clear that it was the first time he had contact with it. Not even Kakashi, a very wise and experienced person, the one who had copied one thousand justus knew pretty well how this ability worked until some chapters ago, even though he could use a part of it.

So, bassically, I won't base my opinion with deducted facts I can't be sure of since I'm not that big of a fan, I will resume this saying that the story would be so much better if somehow Obito found a way to survive and be a part of the issue just because the other possibilities seem kind of boring and the author will know how to entertain his crowd for sure.

[cseba00]

First of all, Mastermind, don't be a sore looser... this guy IS Obito. Give it up already, you are not Uzumaki Naruto, you know? when it's over, is over...
Look around... every non believer went home already, you're alone now, accept your loss like the rest of your team did after reading 599, and join us in trying to figure out how the hell Obito changed this much, and how come he was able to control de nine tails when in theory, he should have been dead or, at least, was just a kid who couldn't even go through an entire fight without bursting in tears...
As I said before (on page 13 of this thread), I think Orochimaru saved him after he was crushed by the rock. I see a few people here starting to think the same (sanguinegarden and sasukerulz).
My theory: Orochimaru found Obito, saved him with the first's dna, and then started experimenting new jutsus with Obito's time/space capable sharingan. One of this experiments end up sending Obito to the past, where he met Madara. After training with him, maybe he was even present when the first defeated him, and then he took Madara's sharingans... now, probably, Orochimaru doesn't know that Tobi is in fact Obito, but Sasuke does suspect something and is intending to confirm this. This explains the secret scroll found in Orochuimaru's cave which maybe documents this experiments with a shinobi that everyone in the village (and of course, his own family the Uchihas) thought was dead, Orochimaru's surprise comeback, and probably everything else if we strech it a little bit...
What do you think guys?

PS.: did any of you guys felt like we got ripped off with 599 or was it just me? We got just ONE PAGE of new stuff!!!! another week of agony!!!! I can't believe this guy!!! come on!!! just spit it all out already!!!

[JLI2infinity]

^Ok I have been a firm Obito is Tobi supporter for a while but people on both sides are coming up with some crazy theories. Enough with the Obito went back in time things, Kishi's never resorted to time travel to sow up his plot holes that's a lazy answer. He has this planned out and maybe Oro was involved, although my money's on Madara, but sending him to the past is just too convenient. A lot of Obito supporters are doing what the non-supporters were doing a while back. Look at Kishi's plot style, his themes, his motifs, the way he develops characters and builds suspense. Weird things like fusing two characters together or letting people time travel would be over the top (don't count what Oro and Sasuke are doing right now because I doubt they'll be able to effect the time period like people say Obito does, they are just viewing it, it will most likely be like an interactive flashback).

Kishi is a great writer but he sticks to what he knows and his solutions aren't often that complex. Naruto needs to perfect FRS: 2 clones for Rasengan, 3 clones for Rashenshuriken. Itachi needs to kill a bunch of powerful Uchiha with more experience than him: give him a powerful mentor to assist in the massacre.

P.S. we got a lot of new information like how Obito did at the Chuunin Exams, the teams in the past, and there were a lot of things of sentimental value that I thought were really nice touches like Obito putting his face by the Hokage Monument since we all know that he is a foil to Naruto's character, basically Naruto as an Uchiha even the same face.

[Emohkinz]

We do know orochi can bring someone back from the brink of death, or for that matter with kabuto, death itself. So if that happend when he was hurt, it would be plausible that he is kakashi's age now right?

[Nameless Shinobi]

Originally Posted by EnigmaNinja

In naruto chapter 364, found on a sight called naruto manga returns, it shows into the hole in Tobi's mask. The same hole that Obito's non-removed sharingan was. There is a sharingan there. Tobi and Obito both wear black and have the same hair. They both have more of a conscience than most akatsuki members. Akatsuki had Kakuzu who could re-animate boke parts. One theory is that Zetsu found the dying Obito and rescued him. Another is that he some how escaped. Both had a low regard for rules.When Tobi became over powered by konan paper bombs the damage caused him to have a wrecked mask and his right sleeve was torn off, there you could see a white arm that was created by Zetsu. There is also the name relation. As my final proof I quote chapter 364. This is what Obito/Tobi says: "The sharingans true power... my power...Uchiha Madara's power..." Next it shows you the picture. You may think that Tobi is Uchiha Madara, but keep in mind that Madara was an extremely powerful ninja that probably lived long ago and Tobi space/time jutsu comes from his mask. When he uses this jutsu his whole body gets sucked into the hole in his right eye. this is also similar to kakashi technique except he uses it as in offense where it decenter grates objects. Tobi is a strong but not extreme ninja who is theoreticly about kakashi's age. This is the proof that Obito and Tobi are the same person.

what do you guys think??

i think kishi already planned tobi is obito since he wrote kakashi story
he want a sentimental bound with kakashi, since kakashi is almost main character of this manga

[EnigmaNinja]

Originally Posted by MasterMind

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL I just detected this part. I DOUBT LOL or wait no. I don't doubt. I'm sure !!

hahaha, your weird bro. discussion can end between you and I now, its not going no where.

[EnigmaNinja]

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

I've moved this to Town Bookstore as too many spoilers from the latest chapter are entering the thread and I don't want anime only users to complain about being spoiled

On another note: I can't believe that Kishi would actually prove a ton of people right and make Tobi be Obito Uchiha. A lot of this doesn't really make any sense tbh.

there were not too many people who believed that obito is tobi actually. there were more non believers. just saying.

[EnigmaNinja]

Originally Posted by MyM_Milton

Some little things for everybody to have in mind when posting some ideas: Rin's death and how Kakashi got his mangekyou sharingan are still a mistery and since Kakashi is having some contact with his past now it would be a good opportunity for the story to tell us about that, and we all know Obito (who just came back to the story at least his body) wouldn't be very happy about the first matter. We also know Sasuke revived Orochimaru to put some light on the issue, and we know this one likes doing experiments a lot and also he always wanted an Uchiha's body, so he could be pretty involved in this (either into Obito's recover if that was possible or into Obito's way to attack Konoha if previous thing was right). Another very important matter is Obito's space-time ninjutsu, it is not something common on Sharingan (I'm not sure about this but not even Madara used it, despite Tobi saying he had Uchiha Madara's powers) but it is still a part of it. Since Kakashi can use Kamui, we could say Obito got that from his bloodline, and we know not one thing about his past. If that ability was owned by his family, somebody from Konoha should have known this, mostly Minato, but when he engaged Tobi in Kyubi's attack it was clear that it was the first time he had contact with it. Not even Kakashi, a very wise and experienced person, the one who had copied one thousand justus knew pretty well how this ability worked until some chapters ago, even though he could use a part of it.

So, bassically, I won't base my opinion with deducted facts I can't be sure of since I'm not that big of a fan, I will resume this saying that the story would be so much better if somehow Obito found a way to survive and be a part of the issue just because the other possibilities seem kind of boring and the author will know how to entertain his crowd for sure.

isnt sapce time jutsu when he materializes? if thats the case then his sharigan is what causes this.

[EnigmaNinja]

Originally Posted by cseba00

First of all, Mastermind, don't be a sore looser... this guy IS Obito. Give it up already, you are not Uzumaki Naruto, you know? when it's over, is over...
Look around... every non believer went home already, you're alone now, accept your loss like the rest of your team did after reading 599, and join us in trying to figure out how the hell Obito changed this much, and how come he was able to control de nine tails when in theory, he should have been dead or, at least, was just a kid who couldn't even go through an entire fight without bursting in tears...
As I said before (on page 13 of this thread), I think Orochimaru saved him after he was crushed by the rock. I see a few people here starting to think the same (sanguinegarden and sasukerulz).
My theory: Orochimaru found Obito, saved him with the first's dna, and then started experimenting new jutsus with Obito's time/space capable sharingan. One of this experiments end up sending Obito to the past, where he met Madara. After training with him, maybe he was even present when the first defeated him, and then he took Madara's sharingans... now, probably, Orochimaru doesn't know that Tobi is in fact Obito, but Sasuke does suspect something and is intending to confirm this. This explains the secret scroll found in Orochuimaru's cave which maybe documents this experiments with a shinobi that everyone in the village (and of course, his own family the Uchihas) thought was dead, Orochimaru's surprise comeback, and probably everything else if we strech it a little bit...
What do you think guys?

PS.: did any of you guys felt like we got ripped off with 599 or was it just me? We got just ONE PAGE of new stuff!!!! another week of agony!!!! I can't believe this guy!!! come on!!! just spit it all out already!!!

yah i agree with you about the oro part.
towards the "PS" part: thats what makes it exciting though, of course it could get aggravating but i like it because it keeps me company mentally, lol.

[sanguinegarden]

Originally Posted by MasterMind

I didn't know who Kishi was and never interested in writer before. I just learned and I see everyone calling Kishi like their subordinate. What's going on ? Omg.

It would be disrespectful if we were in Japan. But different strokes for different folks.

[Tamoor Uchiha]

Well, my friends... If you all would be kind enough to read the (currently) lastest manga chapter #599, you will see that Tobi IS IN FACT, Obito. Why he is Obito though, I don't understand. But they will have to explain a lot of stuff now that his identity is revealed. (Why he didn't die, who he killed to get his Mangekyo Sharingan, how he knows the truth about Itachi, why Madara himself personally knows him, how Kisame confused his face for Madara, and how, in one year after his "death", he was able to fight head-to-head with the Fourth Hokage, and stuff like that.

[Modinho]

Originally Posted by skybolt

I think a lot of people keep forgetting this fact. Tobi fought the 4th Hokage over 16 years ago. Even if Obito was dead at that time how did he become so powerful and was able to control the nine tail fox?

I still think that Danzo being Tobi makes the most sense. He was the only person other than Shisui and Hitachi involved in the whole Uchiha massacre. He also had access to all the Sharingans when they were all slaughtered. The masked man fighting the 4th Hokage and the Kazakage 16 years ago was no slouch or a 12-year old kid. This was a veteran that controlled the nine tailed fox and gave the 4th Hokage a run for his money. Also, when Saske showed up at the summit, Danzo ran out before Tobi appreared later to save Saske. The whole battle between Saske and Danzo was just a huge genjutsu being used against Saske to fool him into believing that Madara and himself avenged the Uchiha clan.

It looks like tobi appears to be obito but you have a point. It could be someone else.

[shinmarubountyhunter]

Everyone who said tobi wasn't obito. Apologize. Now.

[cseba00]

I told you, give it up man, you lost... it's Obito. Please tell me that if the manga ends with chapter 600 and the final line of the last page says "so, in the end, Tobi was Obito THE END", you will admit you were wrong. Or will you be posting things like "it's an open ending... it could be anyone else... we are not 100% sure"???
So, it's his body but not his soul right? how come he knows all that stuff about Kakashi then? It doesn't make sense for him to be anyone else than who kishi (Masahi Kishimoto, if you prefer) has shown... it wouldn't be a dramatic finale either, if he was not Obito, so even if you are correct in your predictions, it would be totally dissapointing... so, no, I don't see it happening dude, sorry...