One Piece Tier List

[BoxHead]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Few took that as an implied statement Kaido was superior to Shanks, but we don't know what occured.

Yeah, that's like saying BB>Shanks because he gave him the scar.

This was before the Gura Gura no mi absorption.

[WindScar22]

Are you going to add Nightmare Luffy and "Oz," on here anywhere?

[BoxHead]

I'm pretty sure Nightmare Luffy won't count as a real character, since it's him, but Oars can be debated.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by WindScar22

Are you going to add Nightmare Luffy and "Oz," on here anywhere?

If you feel like it's necessary, I can look into adding Nightmare Luffy.

Oz, however, was only seen in zombie form. Seeing as he is immune to pain, I'd say Oars Jr. is a more accurate position for Giant characters and that they'll be more or less the same.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

What do you guys think of Law's new placement?

His DF ability allows him to gravitate objects the size of battleships (at the least) with little to no effort.

Add that to his Shambles technique and he's pretty formidable.

[Cult of Personality]

Why is Iva so far below Kuma? :hmm

How is Magellan above Kuma?

How is Doflamingo above Mihawk?

Given his level, I'd put money on Iva having Haki, so he should be above Crocodile.

Shiliew is a silly name. He should go at the bottom for having a silly name.

Why is Moria above Hancock? Whatshisnuts...the fat guy that looks like a chick...works for Vegapunk..forget his name...anyway, he said that Hancock took out several Pacifistas during the war. And Pacifistas take a big smelly dump on Moria...

Law will probably turn out to be alot stronger.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Iva didn't do much against a zombified/robotic Kuma. It's already been shown that he can't keep up with his teleportation-like movements. Iva's also considered a Level 5 fighter by Oda/World Government, below Shichibukai members such as Croc and Jinbe, and also Shilliew and Ace.

Magellan tanked multiple hits from G2 Luffy and wiped out the Blackbeard Pirates without them even reacting. Magellan's strongest attack, which completely covers himself, is acidic and spreads indefinitely once the victim is infected. I'm banking on Magellan being able to at least touch Kuma. They're pretty close in my POV.

Doflamingo can physically stop someone as strong and fast as Jozu at a whim. He can also effortlessly cut off limbs as thick and large as Oars Jr.'s. It's been suggested he has some sort of flying ability. Basically, he points his finger at Mihawk (who hasn't shown any speed feat) and either freezes him or lops off his head.

I'm sure Oda will give both Iva and Croc Haki over the time-skip. For now, I'll leave them equal since nothing's concrete.

Shiliew is also said to be a near-equal with with Magellan and was put in Level 6. In terms of strength, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the Zoro of the Blackbeard Pirates, bad name and all.

Characters are in their prime. Gecko Moria was said to be rivals/equal with the Yonko Kaido. Pretty impressive as Mihawk is considered the rival of Shanks.

True, might even be higher within the next couple of chapters, but for now, I'd say Law is fine in the second highest tier for OP characters.

[Cult of Personality]

Didn't do much except, you know, beat him. If you get into a fight with someone who doesn't seem like the type to give up on fights, especially not against significant members of the revolution, and you are later shown to be not dead, it stands to reason that you won.

Can Doflamingo exercise his powers from fifty feet away? If not, then he gets chopped to pieces before he gets close enough to say boo to Mihawk. Who can fight evenly with a Yonkou.

I don't remember it ever being said that Moria was a rival of Kaidou. Kaidou annihilated the crap out of his crew with what is implied to be extreme ease. Entirely not the same as Mihawk's association with Shanks. May well say Baratie Arc Zoro is a rival of Mihawk.

[BoxHead]

Seriously, Haki + Smoker should be higher.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Didn't do much except, you know, beat him. If you get into a fight with someone who doesn't seem like the type to give up on fights, especially not against significant members of the revolution, and you are later shown to be not dead, it stands to reason that you won.

Can Doflamingo exercise his powers from fifty feet away? If not, then he gets chopped to pieces before he gets close enough to say boo to Mihawk. Who can fight evenly with a Yonkou.

I don't remember it ever being said that Moria was a rival of Kaidou. Kaidou annihilated the crap out of his crew with what is implied to be extreme ease. Entirely not the same as Mihawk's association with Shanks. May well say Baratie Arc Zoro is a rival of Mihawk.

^This just because you get your ass handed to you and survive does not make you special. *cough*Squardo*cough*

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Didn't do much except, you know, beat him. If you get into a fight with someone who doesn't seem like the type to give up on fights, especially not against significant members of the revolution, and you are later shown to be not dead, it stands to reason that you won.

Interesting, Ch. 560 shows a completely different scenario. Ivankov's attacks didn't do squat to Kuma and he couldn't even react to him. Kuma doesn't even care that Ivankov is in front of him. He shoots a laser at both Ivankov and Luffy, thus instigating a fight. Does Kuma continue this fight? No, he goes after nameless fodder instead (really, over a Revolution member and the most famous rookie?). The entire Marineford War is full of fights that last a few pages and then the involved characters move on. How am I supposed to believe that Ivankov thoroughly defeated Kuma when he hasn't shown any ability hinting at it or when the war is full of unfinished/unshown fights.

Can Doflamingo exercise his powers from fifty feet away? If not, then he gets chopped to pieces before he gets close enough to say boo to Mihawk. Who can fight evenly with a Yonkou.

Again, this list includes hype and/or Oda's intentions. It's pretty obvious that Oda wouldn't have Doflamingo being unable to react to Mihawk's attacks, let alone being completely dismembered. Ch. 555, pg. 10 suggests that Doflamingo's range with his abilities easily scale Oars Jr.'s body.

Mihawk's rivalry with Shanks was when they were younger, not currently. This was said before the timeskip and when you're 40ish years old, "younger" doesn't mean in the immediate previous years. This could've been when Shanks was a teenager in Roger's crew. Nothing is definite from that statement.

I don't remember it ever being said that Moria was a rival of Kaidou. Kaidou annihilated the crap out of his crew with what is implied to be extreme ease. Entirely not the same as Mihawk's association with Shanks. May well say Baratie Arc Zoro is a rival of Mihawk.

Then how can you be so confident when you say Mihawk is completely equal to Shanks? Like I've said above, you can't treat one character's rivalry completely different from another when both are vague, not current and not definitive.

I'll look around to see where I got the suggestion that Moriah was once equal to Kaido.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by boxhead327

Seriously, Haki + Smoker should be higher.

There are different levels of Haki as shown with the most recent chapters, among the Monster Trio, and during the Marineford War.

Just because Smoker has Haki, doesn't mean he can fight against characters like Hancock, Crocodile, Ace, etc.

[Cult of Personality]

THIS GODDAMN LAPTOP TOUCHPAD IS GOING TO MAKE ME GO ON A KILLING SPREE!!!

Update: Fixed, no thanks to the help and support whasname.

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Interesting, Ch. 560 shows a completely different scenario. Ivankov's attacks didn't do squat to Kuma and he couldn't even react to him.

Page 7, Kuma fires the Pacifista laser. Since Ivankov can't react to Kuma's attacks, he dies. Oh wait, no he doesn't he avoids the attack.

While Iva is recovering Kuma attacks the Newkama. Iva uses Galaxy Wink, which very blatantly has an effect, proceeded by a drop kick that sends him flying.

Why would Kuma choose to discontinue his confrontation with Iva? Why would Iva choose to discontinue his confrontation with Kuma?

I don't know why you're trying to downplay Iva's abilities, but it's pretty clear to anyone with two braincells to rub together that Iva is at the very least on par with Kuma, if not capable of beating him.

I also seem to recall Iva reacting to an attack from Kizaru, but that may not count since Kizaru tends to charge his attacks before firing. :hmm

Again, this list includes hype and/or Oda's intentions.

But only if you agree with it, amirite?

Mihawk's rivalry with Shanks was when they were younger, not currently.

Ten-ish years. They only stopped fighting when Shanks lost his sword-arm protecting Luffy from the Lord of the Coast.

Shanks remains roughly on par with Whitebeard, who lols at Admirals while deathly ill, who could never be argued to be inferior in any way to Doflamingo.

So if Mihawk is stronger than that Shanks, why would Doflamingo be at all comparable?

It's Ivankov all over again.

Then how can you be so confident when you say Mihawk is completely equal to Shanks?

Kaidou: Annihilated Moriah's crew.
Mihawk: Regularly met up with Shanks to test each others abilities

Their "rivalry" could not be more dissimilar. Akainu has a stronger rivalry with Buggy than Moriah does with Kaidou.

[Wooster]

Ohh did you have the double tap equals click on? that drives me batty

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Page 7, Kuma fires the Pacifista laser. Since Ivankov can't react to Kuma's attacks, he dies. Oh wait, no he doesn't he avoids the attack.

My apologies, I should've been clearer. I was referring to Kuma's movement via the Paw Fruit when I said Ivankov can't keep up with him. Page 8 of the same chapter. When Kuma's not busy attacking the fodder characters, he can use the same attack on said fodder, but to Ivankov instead. Kuma's movement via the Paw Fruit literally seems like he's teleporting. If he spams that movement along with various attacks, I frankly don't see Ivankov beating him.

While Iva is recovering Kuma attacks the Newkama. Iva uses Galaxy Wink, which very blatantly has an effect, proceeded by a drop kick that sends him flying.

If Ivankov was recovering, that would've been the perfect opportunity for Kuma to attack a groggy Revolution member. But no, he instead chooses to fight fodder, as perplexing as that sounds, showing how he easily he can switch between fights.
Ivankov's attack showed no lasting effects. Kuma showed more of a tank feat than Ivankov showing more of a powerful attack feat. He was unscathed from the barrage of attacks, his clothes implying that it did nothing, even if it hit him straight on. So Ivankov dodges a single laser attack, while throwing his body like a rag doll just to avoid it, while Kuma takes on the strongest attack Ivankov's shown and doesn't show a sign of getting hurt. Zoro's attack did more.

Why would Kuma choose to discontinue his confrontation with Iva? Why would Iva choose to discontinue his confrontation with Kuma?

Kuma already did by attacking fodder instead of a vulnerable/"recovering" Ivankov. The same question can be asked with almost every other fight involving major characters/side-characters during the war.

I don't know why you're trying to downplay Iva's abilities, but it's pretty clear to anyone with two braincells to rub together that Iva is at the very least on par with Kuma, if not capable of beating him.

Thing is, I'm not. Oda/the WG put Ivankov in Level 5. He gives his all just to avoid a single laser attack (kudos to him for even dodging it), while Kuma took every hit head-on and his clothes weren't even dirtied.

I also seem to recall Iva reacting to an attack from Kizaru, but that may not count since Kizaru tends to charge his attacks before firing. :hmm

He didn't dodge though. He used a Death Wink on Luffy so Luffy can avoid Kizaru's attack.

But only if you agree with it, amirite?

Is this list not, more or less, what Oda suggests in the manga? The World Government decides to execute Ace for merely being Roger's son. Ivankov is a Revolutionary (maybe even the First Mate to Dragon), who's objective is to overthrow said government. The WG takes context like those in deciding what to do/place their prisoners. With all that on top of his fighting abilities/threat level, Ivankov is sent Level 5. That's suggesting something.

Ten-ish years. They only stopped fighting when Shanks lost his sword-arm protecting Luffy from the Lord of the Coast.

When was that said? Don't get me wrong, this all stemmed from Hancock being under Moriah, which I had a hard time allowing.

Shanks remains roughly on par with Whitebeard, who lols at Admirals while deathly ill, who could never be argued to be inferior in any way to Doflamingo.

So if Mihawk is stronger than that Shanks, why would Doflamingo be at all comparable?

It's Ivankov all over again.

Except Mihawk is never implied to be stronger than Shanks. Nothing is definitive from Shanks and Mihawk fighting in the undisclosed past. Goku and Vegeta are rivals. Are they equal? Not at all. There hasn't been one definitive statement like "Mihawk and Shanks fought with all they had and ended up in a standstill". Instead you get some vague statement from Oda to please fans such as "Mihawk and Shanks were rivals (which is a very subjective word) in the past".

Kaidou: Annihilated Moriah's crew.
Mihawk: Regularly met up with Shanks to test each others abilities

Their "rivalry" could not be more dissimilar. Akainu has a stronger rivalry with Buggy than Moriah does with Kaidou.

Again, I thought I read in the manga that Kaido and Moriah were said to be rivals from a 3rd party. I've yet to look into where I got that impression.

Mihawk and Shanks could merely be sparring for all we know.

[Cult of Personality]

Summarization powers go!

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

Blah blah, Kuma rocks, Iva sucks, I dictate what does and does not qualify as Oda's intentions.

Ignoring that Kuma doesn't fight like that, he's gotta stop sometime. He can't attack mid-"teleport", and with the extreme probability that Iva knows Haki (owing to his power standing, regardless of whether or not he's actually shown in), Iva should be more than capable of targeting him at that time.

His best attack is the Pacifista laser and Iva's already proven he can dodge that.

There's nothing to indicate their fight was interrupted, and I can't recall Kuma reappearing after said fight, while Iva continues to play a critical role in the war.

Does this not seem to you to be Oda's way of saying Iva won? Or do you need to hear it from the man's own mouth before you accept it as Oda's intention even though you take for granted that he intends Doflamingo to be more powerful than Mihawk?

Thing is, I'm not.

All evidence to the contrary.

He didn't dodge though. He used a Death Wink on Luffy so Luffy can avoid Kizaru's attack.

Tomayto tomahto.

Is this list not, more or less, what Oda suggests in the manga?

Does Oda not indicate adequately to you that Kuma and Iva are meant to be equals?

Seems pretty clear to me.

Ivankov is a Revolutionary (maybe even the First Mate to Dragon), who's objective is to overthrow said government.

Bit of a digression here, nothing to do with anything being discussed:

Firstly, they aren't shipmates, so Iva couldn't possibly be a First Mate, but he is very probably Dragon's right hand man.

And second, it's whose not who's. Who's is a contraction of who is while whose is possessive. ^_^

When was that said? Don't get me wrong, this all stemmed from Hancock being under Moriah, which I had a hard time allowing.

A position you base on Moriah's extremely vague and unclear association with Kaidou, which you liken to Mihawk and Shanks' association which is far more clear cut (cut with a sword, one might say. ).

Mihawk and Shanks could merely be sparring for all we know.

Do you think it likely that Mihawk would spar with someone weak?

Do you think it likely that he would cease to spar with Shanks despite Shanks' continued ability to fight at least on par with Mihawk?

Does it not seem more likely that Shanks' injury prevented him from fighting on the same level as Mihawk, causing him to lose interest in their sparring matches?

[Edward Newgate]

Ivankov knows just how strong Kuma is and how strong he himself is compared to Kuma as we've seen when he was talking to Kuma.

As I see it, Ivankov simply didn't go all out against Kuma. Why would he? They're comrades, Ivankov wanted to know just what happened to him, why would he try and damage Kuma?

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Summarization powers go!

AKA slander and defamation. Thankfully, you're not a journalist or writer.

Ignoring that Kuma doesn't fight like that, he's gotta stop sometime. He can't attack mid-"teleport", and with the extreme probability that Iva knows Haki (owing to his power standing, regardless of whether or not he's actually shown in), Iva should be more than capable of targeting him at that time.

Except Kuma already spammed it to a degree in Thriller Bark. Against a crew that he wanted to save no less. You'd think that with Ivankov's supposed capability, he would've saved his beloved Okama members from Kuma's onslaught. Instead, he was too late and let a handful get fatally hurt. I remind you that Kuma's clothes weren't even dirtied from Ivankov's strongest attacks seen in the manga.

All evidence to the contrary.

You're the one downplaying Kuma's abilities. See how easy that is?

Does Oda not indicate adequately to you that Kuma and Iva are meant to be equals?

Seems pretty clear to me.

Ivankov was labeled as one of the leaders of the Revolutionary Army. Kuma was also a member. Ivankov treats Kuma how an elder member would treat a lower one. Does that mean Ivankov is stronger or equal? Not necessarily.

Now factor in what they've shown in terms of fighting ability. Ivankov can't react to Kuma's movement and gives his all just to dodge a single laser. Kuma's clothes weren't even dirtied from Ivankov's currently strongest attack.

Bit of a digression here, nothing to do with anything being discussed:

Firstly, they aren't shipmates, so Iva couldn't possibly be a First Mate, but he is very probably Dragon's right hand man.

And second, it's whose not who's. Who's is a contraction of who is while whose is possessive. ^_^

Maybe you're skimming? This is the context that Oda/the WG factors in when analyzing a character's threat/strength level. They executed Ace for merely being Roger's son. They put Ivankov, a leading Revolutionary member, in Level 5, an entire tier below other One Piece stalwarts.

Last time I checked, a First Mate is the right-hand man. That's in the definition. You took this portion of what I said too literally with the whole shipmates point. (FYI, they traveled together before Ivankov's introduction in Impel Down.)

Right-hand is a hyphenated word. A hyphen can be used to combine two separate words to make a single and coherent meaning. Can we stop with the patronizing?

A position you base on Moriah's extremely vague and unclear association with Kaidou, which you liken to Mihawk and Shanks' association which is far more clear cut (cut with a sword, one might say).

Again, at the time of making this list, I thought I read Moriah's "rivalry" with Kaido in the manga. I'm on record saying that I wasn't too fond of the placement. As "rivals" are often subjective, I simplified it for this list in order to keep things consistent. It's not like I put Moriah over Mihawk.

Do you think it likely that Mihawk would spar with someone weak?

Do you think it likely that he would cease to spar with Shanks despite Shanks' continued ability to fight at least on par with Mihawk?

Does it not seem more likely that Shanks' injury prevented him from fighting on the same level as Mihawk, causing him to lose interest in their sparring matches?

Interesting. Mihawk wants to test himself against Whitebeard. He wants to compare himself to the legend by attacking him head-on. As you've mentioned before, you consider Shanks and Whitebeard to be equal, one arm and all.

Yet, you say Mihawk thinks Shanks is weak, who's equal to Whitebeard, and doesn't want to waste his time on an inferior. Contradiction much?

Again, the vague statement of "Mihawk and Shanks fought in the past/when they were younger. They were rivals." doesn't mean anything in terms of determining fighting levels.

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by NagatoGod_of_Pain

AKA slander and defamation. Thankfully, you're not a journalist or writer.

In the words of the great J. Jonah Jameson, "It is not! I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print it's libel."

Except Kuma already spammed it to a degree in Thriller Bark. Against a crew that he wanted to save no less. You'd think that with Ivankov's supposed capability, he would've saved his beloved Okama members from Kuma's onslaught. Instead, he was too late and let a handful get fatally hurt. I remind you that Kuma's clothes weren't even dirtied from Ivankov's strongest attacks seen in the manga.

This is just going in circles now...

You're the one downplaying Kuma's abilities. See how easy that is?

Difference is, I'm right and you're just being contrary.

Last time I checked, a First Mate is the right-hand man. That's in the definition. You took this portion of what I said too literally with the whole shipmates point. (FYI, they traveled together before Ivankov's introduction in Impel Down.)

Right-hand is a hyphenated word. A hyphen can be used to combine two separate words to make a single and coherent meaning. Can we stop with the patronizing?

First Mate does mean right hand ma(or right-hand man or whatever you wanna call it), but technically, it is a ship's position. The Revolution is not a crew like the Whitebeard Pirates. It's an organization like the World Government. Like I said, it's nothing to do with anything, just semantics.

Not patronizing, just arbitrarily focusing on a random details.

Interesting. Mihawk wants to test himself against Whitebeard. He wants to compare himself to the legend by attacking him head-on. As you've mentioned before, you consider Shanks and Whitebeard to be equal, one arm and all.

Yet, you say Mihawk thinks Shanks is weak, who's equal to Whitebeard, and doesn't want to waste his time on an inferior. Contradiction much?

Whitebeard suffered from a debilitating illness, and Mihawk was drawing on his reputation as the most powerful man in the world, not his standing level of power at the time. "I want to test my power against the most powerful man in existence." or something along those lines.

Only a contradiction if you remove it from its original context, in which case it is a Ray Bolger (obtuse reference FTW!!! ).

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

In the words of the great J. Jonah Jameson, "It is not! I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print it's libel."

Touche.

This is just going in circles now...

For once, we have agreed.

Difference is, I'm right and you're just being contrary.

I'm right and you're the one being contrary. Easy.

First Mate does mean right hand ma(or right-hand man or whatever you wanna call it), but technically, it is a ship's position. The Revolution is not a crew like the Whitebeard Pirates. It's an organization like the World Government. Like I said, it's nothing to do with anything, just semantics.

Not patronizing, just arbitrarily focusing on a random details.

You're being far too technical on this right-hand man topic. As of now, Ivankov has all the makings of being the second commander in the Revolutionary Army. Basically, a First Mate, who is the second-in-command in a crew.

I brought this up because of the context the WG uses, which you've ignored multiple times. As a leading member of an organization that's out to overthrow the government, Ivankov was only placed in Level 5 on top of his combat abilities. This is below other stalwarts of One Piece.

Whitebeard suffered from a debilitating illness, and Mihawk was drawing on his reputation as the most powerful man in the world, not his standing level of power at the time. "I want to test my power against the most powerful man in existence." or something along those lines.

Seeing as this came from Mihawk's position, he isn't too far below Doflamingo. The guys above him are pretty much the very best of One Piece.

As of now, we know for a fact that once Doflamingo points his finger at Mihawk, it's over. His range easily scales Oars Jr's.' body. The emphasis on currently, I don't see why Doflamingo shouldn't be above Mihawk.

We can argue all we want, but I'm just going to keep Doflamingo and Mihawk at their current positions until we see more. I've already moved Hancock above Moriah and maybe even Law will move above him.