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Old 07-29-2011, 07:10 PM   #1
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This is a theory about how the Akatsuki got Han, why Onoki fought Madara, and how the Kin-Gin Bros died.

Onoki's used the Akatsuki a few times before, and they're pretty good. They've worked up a kinda "You scratch my back, I scratch your world domination"-type relationship. Meanwhile, the Mario Kin-Gin Bros have not too long ago killed Aqua Man, AKA the Second Hokage. Scratch that off the bucket list; Next up, kidnap a Jinchuriki. As a present to the Cloud Village for trying to kill their Kage in that whole "We want to take over the village" misunderstanding a few years back, and you know, for kicks.

So they get into the Stones, they grab the guy with their little "Eenie Meenie Minie Moe" word game of theirs, but the old geezer Onoki has the eyes of a hawk. Also the back of an old geezer, so cause he didn't want to throw out another hip (and for the sake of secrecy and village preservation and stuff) he gets the Akatsuki to get his Jinchuriki back for him.

So they send out Kakuzu. They figure he couldn't kill Hashirama, but these guys only killed his bro, so zombie man can take 'em. He catches up to them, they fight a bit, Kakuzu kills Ginkaku and his bro gets pissed (Enters mega-shroom mode). After a hard battle and losing 40-80% of his hearts (or 2-4, for you non-Kakuzus out there), Kakuzu kills Kinkaku and grabs the Jinchuriki. Onoki still wants his Jinchuriki back, except the Akatsuki wants the Jinchuriki too, and they have this whole Finders Keepers policy. It's a drag, but they can't give him back.

Onoki gets mad. He goes and seeks out their leader to make an old geezer complaint, and Madara himself gives him the courtesy, since Madara is a fellow old geezer. Onoki recognizes him as the masked guy from the last old geezer poker meeting, and realizes that Madara still owes him a crapload of money since Onoki smoked him. Onoki suggests Madara give the Jin back instead and they'll call it even on the debt, but unfortunately Madara decides that he just has a passion for being a manipulative jerk to people, so he and Onoki fight it out. Onoki doesn't win, but he doesn't die, and Madara gets away, eventually having the Jin extracted and killed.

Onoki decides there's nothing else to do, but he can't pass the opportunity to brag, so he decides to go have the Raikage thank him for eliminating the Cloud's two most wanted criminals. After a brief conversation, it becomes decided that Onoki isn't really that great a poker player, and he spills the fact that he didn't really kill the Mario Kin-Gin Bros and instead fought Madara. A and Onoki agree not to tell anyone else since it'd be a big embarrasment, and with all said and done, Onoki returns to his village to continue being an old coot.

Normal Version: Kin-Gin Bros kidnap Han to give to their village so that the Clouds will take them back after their failed coup. Onoki hires the Akatsuki to deal with it, and they send out Kakuzu, who kills them both and gets Han back for the Akatsuki. After Onoki doesn't get Han back, he goes after the Akatsuki, and ends up fighting Madara. Neither of them die, and Han dies after his Biju is extracted. A finds out that Onoki fought Madara and has been using Akatsuki, but A keeps it a secret, since he doesn't want to stir anything up.

Support: A stated at the Gokage Summit that Onoki was the only one there to have fought Madara. Kakuzu told Kakashi when they fought that it had been a while since he lost two of his hearts. During the war, he noted that since Kinkaku transformed, someone had to have taken out Ginkaku. There isn't really anything to connect these facts, but I think it's possible some of this happened.
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:03 PM   #2
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it's quite interesting that you deduce a whole bunch outta the little we know from Onoki, Kakuzu and A's comments... It's pretty creative. i'd think you'd state out your support in the beginning and do the deduction below it instead. Just so the reader stays on track more easily.

one question though: why do you think then that A and Onoki hated each other so much? To say A, kept quite over the matter doesn't seem to connect with the fact that No body thought the two could agree to a shinobi alliance...
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:32 PM   #3
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Sure this is possible, even if there's no hint that all of these events are connected.

I was thinking that Madara could've recruited Kakuzu and the Bros. from awhile back and had their own pre-Akatsuki group. The Bros. and Kakuzu could've been on a mission together and that's when Ginkaku died. But still, there's a lot of possibilities.


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it's quite interesting that you deduce a whole bunch outta the little we know from Onoki, Kakuzu and A's comments... It's pretty creative. i'd think you'd state out your support in the beginning and do the deduction below it instead. Just so the reader stays on track more easily.

one question though: why do you think then that A and Onoki hated each other so much? To say A, kept quite over the matter doesn't seem to connect with the fact that No body thought the two could agree to a shinobi alliance...
IIRC, I don't think A and Onoki hated each other. Onoki thought A was just as wild or aggressive from when he was younger. A thought using Akatsuki was low for the Tsuchikage.

They both have big egos so of course there would be a disagreement over who would lead the Alliance. Don't think there was any hate though.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:15 AM   #4
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Who is Han?

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The 5-Tailed Jinchuriki of Iwakagure. The armored dude that can supposedly use steam jutsu.
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There's no proof they killed Tobirama. Just pointing that out.
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There's no proof they killed Tobirama. Just pointing that out.
They called the Second Hokage "Dead-ass" when they were revived by Edo Tensei upon recognizing the technique. The Kinkaku Force engaged Tobirama, and the Kin-Gin brothers previously attacked Tobirama and left him on the brink of death. Tobirama's own squad established that the decoy, who Tobirama decided would be himself, would almost definitely die. Sure, he could've survived, but I don't see any reason to believe he did.
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