Hinata vs. Konohamaru

[assassin]

Hinata...no contest.

Konohamaru doesn't have the moves to dodge hinata's gentle fist style and he's primarily a ninjutsu type fighter so he'ld be done at that point

[Frost ninja]

For the love of...
It wasn't preta path, it was naraka path.
If it were preta, he would've chakra sapped the rasengan.

Also since she passed the chunnin exams, we can assume she graduated the academy... meaning she has to know the bushin jutsu, since its a graduation requirement for academy sudents...

She pulls a bushin fient on kono's bushin fient. one-shot gg

[Rasengan SageX5]

I don't think she'd do that. We've never seen anyone deviate from their family's fighting style.

[Super Sanin 3]

How can kono use bushin feint anyways? She can literally see him wherever he is

[Kazumi Saitama]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

That's definitely not what you meant. I knew you were going to pull that after you got pulled wrong. Konohamaru didn't LEARN the FRS, he learned the Rasengan. Don't play word games, you know exactly what you said and that you're wrong.

Again, did I state the FRS? The correct answer would be no. I was actually referring to jutsu such as the Ōdama Rasengan, a much bigger version of a normal Rasengan. The same jutsu with more power applied. I am well informed that the FRS is a completely different jutsu.

Because Hinata is in no way as strong or durable as a pain path. Like I said Hinata doesn't have the durability of a boss summon, Naruto's clones survived a much larger ST than was ever used on Hinata. It's not like there's one set strength of an ST, Hinata survived because Deva didn't use any kind of power into that ST.

Lmaowut? So, a puny Rasengan that caused Preta to crash into a wall unharmed is stronger than ST? Dude, you are cracking me up. Let us thoroughly look at both situations. When Hinata charged in to save Naruto, Deva -- a character vastly superior to Konohamaru -- wasted no time hitting Hinata with a ST before swiftly stabbing her with a Chakra Receiver. Considering he was aiming to kill Hinata off quickly, I doubt he held anything back. Now, we look at Konohamaru. Enraged that Preta hurt his Sensei, Konohamaru forms a weak ass Rasengan and hits Preta, causing him to crash into a wall and form some cracks. But wait, did Preta die? Oh no. Why? Because the Rasengan is incomplete or simply lame. Was Konohamaru aiming to kill? Yes.

Deva >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konohamaru
ST >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lame ass Rasengan

It's the full jutsu, you can make it stronger it doesn't mean it's not what defines the Goukakyu no Jutsu, just applying common sense you can't figure out that jutsu are complete or not? I mean really. So what if he can power up the jutsu how does that mean it's incomplete? I don't hear people saying Kakashi has an incomplete Chidori just because Sasuke developed more version of the technique and made it stronger, I don't see people saying Onoki's dust release is "incomplete" just because if he trained it he could make it stronger, come on now think of any jutsu in the Narutoverse, it's not listed as "incomplete" just because it can become stronger through training. If so, you should change your whole outlook on the verse because near every attack is "incomplete". Chidori is Chidori, dust release is dust release, FRS, is FRS in fact.

A normal Fireball Jutsu is the incomplete form of a Grand Fireball Jutsu. Period, point, blank. Same jutsu, but more power is harnessed to perform the Grand Fireball Jutsu. Additionally, the superior versions are bigger. Oh, go figure. A normal Chidori seems complete to me. When you compare Sasuke's Chidori to Kakashi's Chidori, they look identical. If the jutsu is incomplete, they have not shown or even suggested any means of upgrading the jutsu. Variants are different than upgrades. Again, if the jutsu can be developed further, the jutsu is incomplete. Get out.

Naruto can make FRS stronger but is FRS called "Incomplete Fuuton Rasenshuriken"? No, because it's the complete jutsu, I don't care how much stronger someone can make it.

How so? I have only seen two versions of the FRS. A normal FRS and a mini FRS. By feats, I do believe a normal FRS does more damage. Therefore, the jutsu seems pretty damn complete to me.

Lacking nothing? Yeah, Rasengan's three steps, all 100% complete. That's the rasengan. FRS is another jutsu which is complete. All the jutsu are lacking nothing, if we're going by your definition to become complete all jutsu must have multiverse busting powers, no attack is ever going to become complete.

Just because it is classified as a Rasengan does not mean the jutsu is complete. With that logic, stronger versions of identical jutsu would not exist. Oh, my jutsu is complete, but wait. There is a stronger version out there. But nah, my jutsu is still complete because I require no additional power to upgrade my jutsu. My jutsu lacks absolutely nothing. An Ōdama Rasengan is still a Rasengan, but a vastly superior version.

Humans evolve. Does that mean our species is complete? Um, no because humans evolve. :/

Game. Set. Match.

[Phoenix Wright]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

Again, did I state the FRS? The correct answer would be no. I was actually referring to jutsu such as the Ōdama Rasengan, a much bigger version of a normal Rasengan. The same jutsu with more power applied. I am well informed that the FRS is a completely different jutsu.

It's not only a different jutsu but what Minato called the rasengan incomplete for. Stop bringing in unrelated a completely unrelated meaning just to prove your point.

Lmaowut? So, a puny Rasengan that caused Preta to crash into a wall unharmed is stronger than ST? Dude, you are cracking me up. Let us thoroughly look at both situations. When Hinata charged in to save Naruto, Deva -- a character vastly superior to Konohamaru -- wasted no time hitting Hinata with a ST before swiftly stabbing her with a Chakra Receiver. Considering he was aiming to kill Hinata off quickly, I doubt he held anything back. Now, we look at Konohamaru. Enraged that Preta hurt his Sensei, Konohamaru forms a weak ass Rasengan and hits Preta, causing him to crash into a wall and form some cracks. But wait, did Preta die? Oh no. Why? Because the Rasengan is incomplete or simply lame. Was Konohamaru aiming to kill? Yes.

Unharmed? Yeah because if Naraka was hit with that same strength ST than hinata survived from, yeah, it's hella weak. Don't even try and argue every ST is the same strength, thanks for ignoring that fact about the clones, oh yeah they tanked a shinra tensei despite their boss summon bone shattering strength. Either his clones have massive durability, or he can adjust its strength. I'm gonna go with the second one for the reason that it's retarded to think Hinata has massive durability. And his clones. Again, I don't care how weak it is, the point is, you're wrong about its completion. End of discussion.

Deva >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konohamaru
ST >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lame ass Rasengan

Deva>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hinata

Decent strengthed ST than clones can't tank>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Completed but smaller Rasengan

A normal Fireball Jutsu is the incomplete form of a Grand Fireball Jutsu. Period, point, blank. Same jutsu, but more power is harnessed to perform the Grand Fireball Jutsu. Additionally, the superior versions are bigger. Oh, go figure. A normal Chidori seems complete to me. When you compare Sasuke's Chidori to Kakashi's Chidori, they look identical. If the jutsu is incomplete, they have not shown or even suggested any means of upgrading the jutsu. Variants are different than upgrades. Again, if the jutsu can be developed further, the jutsu is incomplete. Get out.

Gonna ignore that flamebait since someone's a little mad, point yet again proven about the flaming thing.

Yeah, normal fireballs are weaker than Grand Fireballs, totally different jutsu, let's talk generic Katon here. You didn't kill any of my argument just noted two different jutsu exist here. Which I know. Yet again, you ignored the point you were proved wrong about. Because of course, any jutsu in existence is incomplete, only because it can become stronger. Every jutsu is incomplete by that logic so, irrelevant point about rasengan in the first place, shouldn't have even brought it up.

How so? I have only seen two versions of the FRS. A normal FRS and a mini FRS. By feats, I do believe a normal FRS does more damage. Therefore, the jutsu seems pretty damn complete to me.

How the hell is that even related? Mini FRS is just a smaller regular FRS with smaller hands, Naruto can still improve FRS as he himself gets stronger with his chakra, therefore it's incomplete. Get out.

Just because it is classified as a Rasengan does not mean the jutsu is complete. With that logic, stronger versions of identical jutsu would not exist. Oh, my jutsu is complete, but wait. There is a stronger version out there. But nah, my jutsu is still complete because I require no additional power to upgrade my jutsu. My jutsu lacks absolutely nothing. An Ōdama Rasengan is still a Rasengan, but a vastly superior version.

Yeah if there's a stronger version and somebody names it something else then durrp, but the thing is there's sorta two different jutsu there, just because you don't complete a Grand Fireball doesn't mean a regular one isn't complete as that single jutsu's name, it IS that jutsu, holy crap how are you lacking so much common sense just to not have to admit you're wrong, damn people have way too much pride these days it's sickening.

Humans evolve. Does that mean our species is complete? Um, no because humans evolve. :/

Completely unrelated to fictional jutsu. Unfortunately, all the things in order to make a successful rasengan are accomplished, things to make a successful fireball is accomplished, those are complete jutsu. Until I see at least multiverse busting, and even then that's not limitless, those jutsu are incomplete, despite accomplishing what the user/creator of the jutsu set out to accomplish, a fireball, or rasengan, and a rasengan is a rasengan, we've seen Minato use it, Jiraiya use it, and call out its name, so yeah, it's a rasengan, complete. Deal with it.

Game. Set. Match.

Lol point proven yet again. Sad.

[Super Sanin 3]

does it really make a difference?

[Kazumi Saitama]

Your post was a bunch of gibberish and does not deserve an elaborate counter. However, I will address a few points.

1. The Rasengan Shuriken is a technique created by Naruto and unique to Naruto alone. Minato was trying to accomplish combining his nature affinity with the Rasengan, which would create an Element Release: Rasengan, not Rasen Shuriken. That is why his Rasengan was incomplete. By the way, Naruto accomplished a Fūton: Rasengan as well.

2. Why have I been saying Preta? ._. It was the Naraka Path. Hurr Durr. Sorry.

3. Naruto and his Sage Clones have some insane durability. Naruto has surpassed every character in the Naruto Verse, thus far. So, if you can not believe his durability is stronger than a Boss Summon, then something is apparently wrong with you. Sage Chakra amplifies everything, which was further deduced when a frog, a frog lifted a damn statue.

4. Why would Deva use a weak ST against an opponent he wanted dead? Does that make any sense to you? If he was so sure a weak ST would be enough to kill poor little Hinata, he would have found it unnecessary to stabbed her with a Chakra Receiver. That is like people stating Neji went easy on Hinata when he blatantly stated he hated her.

5. Not even commenting on your jutsu comparison up there. No idea what the hell you are talking about.

6. I used this thing called an analogy, which compares two similar things.

7. I am growing weary of this debate.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

does it really make a difference?

He believes Konohamaru will take Hinata out with a Rasengan that failed to kill Naraka.

Please tell me, which is more powerful..

Konohamaru's Rasengan or Deva's Shinra Tensei?

[Lone_Espada]

Deva's Shinra Tensei. =/

[Kazumi Saitama]

Thank you, darling.~

[Lone_Espada]

That should be common sense.

[Super Sanin 3]

How will Kono hit Hinata anyways?

[Kazumi Saitama]

Not to Phoenix, apparently.

@Super Sanin 3: He would not. The Byakugan would see him before his slow ass hit her.

[Rasengan SageX5]

Some people just can't seem to get it through their heads that even if Kono tries a clone feint, 2 things are still in Hinata's favor. 1: Kono showed, at best, peak human speed when attacking Naraka and 2: She can literally watch her own back because of the Byakugan and probably pick out the real one among Kono's 3 clones.

[Phoenix Wright]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

Your post was a bunch of gibberish and does not deserve an elaborate counter. However, I will address a few points.

In other words: "I'm mad(and also losing and definitely not gonna admit that so Imma troll), TU pisses me off so I'm gonna flame/bait him some more."

1. The Rasengan Shuriken is a technique created by Naruto and unique to Naruto alone. Minato was trying to accomplish combining his nature affinity with the Rasengan, which would create an Element Release: Rasengan, not Rasen Shuriken. That is why his Rasengan was incomplete. By the way, Naruto accomplished a Fūton: Rasengan as well.

That's why Rasengan was incomplete, so Minato deemed his incomplete jutsu a complete Rasengan, and would have had the other completely unrelated jutsu known as his signature FRS.

2. Why have I been saying Preta? ._. It was the Naraka Path. Hurr Durr. Sorry.

Lol yeah it's alright I wasn't gonna say anything though since it's not a big deal I know who you're talking about =P

3. Naruto and his Sage Clones have some insane durability. Naruto has surpassed every character in the Naruto Verse, thus far. So, if you can not believe his durability is stronger than a Boss Summon, then something is apparently wrong with you. Sage Chakra amplifies everything, which was further deduced when a frog, a frog lifted a damn statue.

They were base clones last I checked. Any shadow clone has horrible durability and usually get taken out with just a punch. Hey SM Naruto's durability is great and all but his clones, not too much, definitely not more than a boss summon.

4. Why would Deva use a weak ST against an opponent he wanted dead? Does that make any sense to you? If he was so sure a weak ST would be enough to kill poor little Hinata, he would have found it unnecessary to stabbed her with a Chakra Receiver. That is like people stating Neji went easy on Hinata when he blatantly stated he hated her.

He wanted her dead? He was just casually sidestepping and backing away then launched a weak ST to get her away.

5. I can't counter you but I'm gonna say I can and just make an excuse like I don't know what you were talking about despite you being clear as fog-less day

Thanks for answering that for me I knew that was what happened.

6. I used this thing called an analogy, which compares two similar things.

Yeah but it was a bad one, humans evolve and adapt, jutsu can get stronger yeah, just like Goku's Kamehameha can get stronger as he trains, figured I'd use DBZ for this since the characters power levels skyrocket throughout the story. But is his Kamehameha incomplete despite its ability to get stronger and stronger? Like I said so many times, unless a jutsu is omnipotent powers, according to your logic it's not complete because of its ability to keep getting stronger.

7. I am growing weary of this debate.

Well why do it then if you don't debate for fun and just get pissed all the time? I see people getting so angry all the time in debates and I try to tell them not to be because it's just a debate and you're supposed to have fun.

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

He believes Konohamaru will take Hinata out with a Rasengan that failed to kill Naraka.

Please tell me, which is more powerful..

Konohamaru's Rasengan or Deva's Shinra Tensei?

Depending on the strength, could be either. If Deva uses a weak one like the one he used on Hinata,

Originally Posted by Lone_Espada

That should be common sense.

Did Kazumi come tell you to come here
Nah, it's not common sense due to Deva somehow not being able to adjust its strength now?

Yeah when regular Kage Bunshin survive a much larger Shinra Tensei than was used on Hinata, I start to doubt its strength. I'd say Gai's punch that can smash through a wall would defeat a clone, don't you think? Yeah, Konohamaru's rasengan did that. Just wanted to give you another character's strength level just for that too, due to Konohamaru being so underrated.

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

Not to Phoenix, apparently.

@Super Sanin 3: He would not. The Byakugan would see him before his slow ass hit her.

You're right about that. Therefore it's not common sense, you people really overuse that term.

And then when she strikes him, it ends up being a clone and then she gets rasengan'd.

[Super Sanin 3]

She can see almost 360 degrees so she'll be able to see the real one practically anywhere

[Phoenix Wright]

How many times has that been answered here already?

[Super Sanin 3]

I didn't see a good counter though :l, the debate should be about if he hits her with a rasengan or not

[Sasuke726]

Hinata wins due to the fact that just bcuz kono knows rasengan and bunshin, it doesnt mean his rasengan is lethal...........

in the original series when naruto first started using rasengan, it was not lethal. it severly injured his opponents but it was not enough to cause death. and with kono seemingly not surpassing naruto in any factors so far, his rasengan wuld b as effective as that one give or take a little damage.

hinata has 359 degrees of vision. kono doesnt know the blind spot so he wuld more than likely stay in her vision. i dont even believe he is crafty enough to place a clone underground or in the air without her byakugan noticing it. also i dont know for sure, but i think hinata had more chakra than kono. so once he starts 2 become fatigued she cant get more than close enough 2 injure, kill, or wound konohamaru. and from that point its a quick countdown 2 the defeat of leaf boy.