Bleach Chapter 458

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

This won't happen. But it would be cool if it did.

Ginjo is just acting (he's not actually evil or on Tsukishima's side.)
and his stabbing Ichigo---That's how he transfers his powers.

So now Ichigo has both his Fullbring and Ginjo's.

Of course this won't happen.

It's still possible. Just the chances of it however are very, very. very low.

This could also be pointing to a hint when Ginjou mentioned that Uryu Wannabe cutting a victim from behind means game over. Both Orihime and Chad was cut from behind, and Uryu Wannabe has been constantly aiming at Ichigo's back when he was on offense.

"I make a hell of a cliche villain." ~ Ginjou.

Originally Posted by Wind Style Naruto

Yeah just to get cut down.

Lol fodder tier. Dude wrestled with Arrancars and Shinigami yet can't even survive Uryu Wannabe. Either it's inconsistency or he's been just running from Ichigo's view and smacking fat bullies for the past two years.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

But then why did Ishida say what he did "Fool the on behind you was the that cut me!"

Right after that he did his laugh and said what he said. I don't think he's fooling us this time no

There actually is something that bothers me with this incident of Uryuu's attacker.

Has it ever been revealed what that Light was Uryuu saw?

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Vivi

There actually is something that bothers me with this incident of Uryuu's attacker.

Has it ever been revealed what that Light was Uryuu saw?

Maybe he has more secrets maybe he lied and the sword isn't the only thing Ginjo has it would make sense that there'd be more to his power.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Originally Posted by sagemaster777

Chapter Got me Confused for awhile.
But wow did not see that coming

Really. You didnt seen that coming. I was shocked for a second but afterwards I was like I KNEWWWWWW IIIITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

Originally Posted by Vivi

There actually is something that bothers me with this incident of Uryuu's attacker.

Has it ever been revealed what that Light was Uryuu saw?

I think that was a Full Bring version of Flash Step or Sonido.

Sonido makes a sound while Full Bring Kick makes light.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

But then why did Ishida say what he did "Fool the on behind you was the that cut me!"

Right after that he did his laugh and said what he said. I don't think he's fooling us this time no

Ginjou is known for his sadistic and shady, yet necessary actions to keep the wheel spinning. When he was trying to evolve Ichigo's FullBring, he:

• Cut Ichigo's eyes out
• Trapped Orihime
• Threaten to kill his friends
• Played the role of a villain
• Constantly insulted Ichigo
• Reduced him to near-death

There is the possibility that he planned this out from the beginning. Or there is the theory that Uryu Wannabe is in cohorts with Ginjou, but they are both good guys. (more or less) (think of them as like the Vizards, invested)

Spoiler:

"It's all over for me," ~ Uryu Wannabe

That points back to the theory that Ginjou, Uryu Wannabe, Isshin, and Uruhara are in cohorts and is attempting to help Ichigo regain his powers. Everyone else is more or less really under Uryu Wannabe's mind****.

If the above is true, then Ishida's attack could lead to three routes:

1. Ginjou and Uryu Wannabe double-teamed him.
2. Ginjou attacked him.
3. Uryu Wannabe attacked him, and in doing so, did claim Ishida a victim of the Book of the End. However, instead of shifting Uryu to his ally, he simply inserted Ginjou into his place during the incident, making Uryu believe that it was Ginjou whom attacked him.

All three are possible, but two isn't as likely. Why would Ginjou take the effort to disguise himself as Uryu Wannabe in the first place? Even if he had, he surely could have told Chad, whom had spent considerably time training with the man himself. Same could go with Orihime.

Another thing is why didn't Ishida seem to also be focused on Uryu Wannabe. If he was indeed attacked by Uryu Wannabe, he would have surely noticed him, and attacked the two both. Yet he only focused on Ginjou, when knowing that leaving another opponent unchecked could mean death.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Wind Style Naruto

Really. You didnt seen that coming. I was shocked for a second but afterwards I was like I KNEWWWWWW IIIITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!



I think that was a Full Bring version of Flash Step or Sonido.

Sonido makes a sound while Full Bring Kick makes light.

You are indeed correct my good sir.

Chp. 445, pg. 16 & 17.

Ishida likely doesn't know what or who the Fullbringers were, nor their techniques, so he questioned it the moment he saw it.

[Vivi]

I think I solved this for the most part...

YouTube:

Uryuu's ambush is the key to solve this.

Lets look at the facts:
1. Uryuu named Ginjou as the attacker.
2. Ishida for some reason is not affected.
3. Ginjou was cut once before.

If we combine these 3 facts there is only one Conclusion.
There was indeed only 1 attacker and that was Ginjou.
Hence Uryuu only naming him as the one attacking NOT Tsukishima.

Yet Tsukishima was present so what was he doing?
We can see him rush toward Ishida yes but thats all.
This cannot be a distraction if it was golden opportunity for Tsukishima to affect Uryuu yet he didn't.
Why?
Because he didn't plan to.
Here is what happened:
Tsukishima SAVED Uryuu.
Ginjou tried to kill him but was stopped by Tsukishima.
And the endresult is:
Ginjou got cut and affected however Uryuu was still struck.

And I also like to note:
Tsukishima's face was hidden.
Kubo had his reason for that and I am certain that reason is Tsukishima got injured as well with nothing else than his Scar.
Hence:
The Strike came from Tsukishima's left side.

[Inuyasha]

Wow very well thought out.

[deidara330]

It's a good possibility, Vivi, but I would think Tsukishima got his scar from Isshin or Urahara rather than Ginjo, because then it connects the story more to the duo whereas for now they're simply involved because they exist and have to be in some way.

I no longer doubt that what Isshin and Urahara want to do is detrimental to Ginjo and Tsukishima's plans. Ginjo had Ichigo distrust Isshin, his own father, and Urahara, his mentor and friend. He did that specifically because he knew what those two were capable of, and he had to. Even as a good guy, he could still have the same knowledge he had before the switch, because it seems too coincidental that he knew so much about the after-effects of the Final Getsuga Tensho. It also has to do with the high likelihood that Isshin himself used the technique and lost his powers because of it, which is what caused him to be unable to protect his wife when Grand Fisher attacked.

We should at least get some answers in the next chapter, since Isshin and Urahara are practically the only way Ichigo won't get screwed. Ichigo might still lose his powers by then, though, which may be what Isshin and Urahara want. After all, Urahara said it would take Ichigo's future away from him, so they may have decided to let Ginjo take Ichigo's powers before making a move. Why, I don't know. I really have to read the next chapter.

[Vivi]

I also just realized....Moe's Actions contradict this as well.

Sushiguy is working with Tsukishima yet he tried to kill Ginjou.

The hell is going on here!?

[Inuyasha]

Maybe he needs to be cut again too.

Maybe this whole confusion is just one big mindrape or illusion.

One things for sure Tsukishima is cool.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Maybe he needs to be cut again too.

One things for sure Tsukishima is cool.

Next chapter Ichigo wakes up and finds out this all was Aizens Bankai.:P

[Inuyasha]

Would we all continue with the Bleach story if that happened?

I know I would just to see what happens.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Would we all continue with the Bleach story if that happened?

I know I would just to see what happens.

Not all but some.
At least I am sure Kubo will laugh his butt off.




"Yo Kubo lets destroy Kubo!"
"Yeah! But there is one problem Kubo."
"What is it Kubo?"
"You are Kubo."

And then Kubo was Kubo.

[Inuyasha]

Hahaha what? xD

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Hahaha what? xD

Kuboism.

Also putting this here to see what Deidara330 thinks:
What I don't see fit is this:
Ginjou was cut before and appearantly works with Tsukishima.
Yet Xcution cut by Tsukishima w/ Moe (who works for Tsukishima) went against Ginjou.

That would mean Tsukishima is against Ginjou though the latter said he let himself get cut twice.

Yet if Xcution were cut and sided with Tsukishima that means they were working with Ginjou and by going against him that means he is good.

>.<

Mindraped.

[deidara330]

There are too many possibilities. Most likely they were cut twice and trying to set Ginjo up for Tsukishima's cut. If they were cut once, or simply if they honestly want to be rid of their powers, there are many more issues to address.

There's also whether or not Ginjo is the SSR (Substitute Soul Reaper) depending on if he was lying to Ichigo about power transferal. Then there's the matter of whether he got the badge legitimately if he is or whether Xcution's backstory is really true if he isn't.

And, as always, what Isshin and Urahara have to do with anything.

[deidara330]

I would also like to make an observation that Bleach manga volumes typically contain 9 chapters, and that right now the uncollected chapters are just one short of dividing by 9. It's either a coincidence, or something big will happen in the next chapter that'll end the arc to round it off in the volumes.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

It's still possible. Just the chances of it however are very, very. very low.

This could also be pointing to a hint when Ginjou mentioned that Uryu Wannabe cutting a victim from behind means game over. Both Orihime and Chad was cut from behind, and Uryu Wannabe has been constantly aiming at Ichigo's back when he was on offense.

"I make a hell of a cliche villain." ~ Ginjou.




Lol fodder tier. Dude wrestled with Arrancars and Shinigami yet can't even survive Uryu Wannabe. Either it's inconsistency or he's been just running from Ichigo's view and smacking fat bullies for the past two years.

Well I'm fine even if Ginjou stays evil because well...

He STILL makes for a hell of a cliche villain.

Gotta love how he explained to Ichigo how to save his friends.

Good ol' Ginjo. I really hope when he's beaten he says something like

"I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR THOSE DARN MEDDLING KIDS!!!"