Bleach 453

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by junchurikioftheleaf

tsukishima is an army

Exactly he beats aizen as a big powerhead in every way

[junchurikioftheleaf]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Exactly he beats aizen as a big powerhead in every way

that and he is totally owning ichigo in knowledge of power at the moment, he knew everything about ichigo's fullbring including how to stop it from working and stop ichigo from fullbringing in it's entirety

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Then I'm gonna bet right now that Urahara and Isshin will be a big part of the next chapter. (Although, for the record, I'm not upset that I'm wrong, because the actual twist turned out better than my prediction. All I would ask from the author is that as long as he knows the story and I don't, he makes the twists both unpredictable and enjoyable. Therefore I'm glad that my best prediction didn't match up to the author's true intention.)

It's inevitable. Urahara has assisted Ichigo in the past, and now Tsukishima has manipulated all of Ichigo's friends and family. Isshin's been gone so long that Ichigo can't find him, but Ichigo always knows where to find Urahara, and he needs more allies and a place to stay while he tries to figure out how to reverse the damage Tsukishima's done. When Ichigo suggests this to Ginjo, Ginjo's going to stop him, because Ginjo's clearly got a past with Urahara, and it's not pretty.

This entire arc, Ginjo's been hiding something, and now that Tsukishima's in the process of taking over Karakura, continuing to hide it will mean the death of him and Ichigo.

Agreed as things unfold they will need back up and smart decisions in order to stay alive and protect Karakura

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by junchurikioftheleaf

that and he is totally owning ichigo in knowledge of power at the moment, he knew everything about ichigo's fullbring including how to stop it from working and stop ichigo from fullbringing in it's entirety

And we don't even know what he's truly capable of yet thats the cool scary part xD

[deidara330]

This chapter does present the question, though: Is Moe following Tsukishima for himself or because Tsukishima is making him? Moe is loyal to Tsukishima, to the point that he'll disobey direct orders from Tsukishima for Tsukishima's own sake. Is he dedicated because Tsukishima managed to control him long enough, or is it for another, personal reason?

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Agreed as things unfold they will need back up and smart decisions in order to stay alive and protect Karakura

If I were Ichigo, I'd at least be smart enough to realize I can't just run forever. I would need a safe haven to hide out, regroup, and plan a counter-attack, and the only place left in Karakura is Urahara Shoten. And if I were Ichigo, that would mean I'd have to ask Ginjo outright why Urahara shouldn't be trusted, because the man wouldn't have given me any past reason to distrust him. Hence my ultimate prediction that Ginjo's backstory will begin via flashback in the next chapter.

[junchurikioftheleaf]

Originally Posted by deidara330

This chapter does present the question, though: Is Moe following Tsukishima for himself or because Tsukishima is making him? Moe is loyal to Tsukishima, to the point that he'll disobey direct orders from Tsukishima for Tsukishima's own sake. Is he dedicated because Tsukishima managed to control him long enough, or is it for another, personal reason?If I were Ichigo, I'd at least be smart enough to realize I can't just run forever. I would need a safe haven to hide out, regroup, and plan a counter-attack, and the only place left in Karakura is Urahara Shoten. And if I were Ichigo, that would mean I'd have to ask Ginjo outright why Urahara shouldn't be trusted, because the man wouldn't have given me any past reason to distrust him. Hence my ultimate prediction that Ginjo's backstory will begin via flashback in the next chapter.

flashback with hatz and mr.crucifix? i sense win

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by deidara330

This chapter does present the question, though: Is Moe following Tsukishima for himself or because Tsukishima is making him? Moe is loyal to Tsukishima, to the point that he'll disobey direct orders from Tsukishima for Tsukishima's own sake. Is he dedicated because Tsukishima managed to control him long enough, or is it for another, personal reason?

If I were Ichigo, I'd at least be smart enough to realize I can't just run forever. I would need a safe haven to hide out, regroup, and plan a counter-attack, and the only place left in Karakura is Urahara Shoten. And if I were Ichigo, that would mean I'd have to ask Ginjo outright why Urahara shouldn't be trusted, because the man wouldn't have given me any past reason to distrust him. Hence my ultimate prediction that Ginjo's backstory will begin via flashback in the next chapter.

No ides Moe is strange xD

Agreed Urahara always has a plan and what about his Vizard friends they could be of some use to defend Karakura I mean they do live there too somewhat in that abandoned warehouse they call a home. xD

EDIT: Yea I want to know how Urahara created an enemy or atleast made himself seem like an untrustworthy person. Although he has shown that in the past with the hiding place of the hogyoku.

[junchurikioftheleaf]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

No ides Moe is strange xD

Agreed Urahara always has a plan and what about his Vizard friends they could be of some use to defend Karakura I mean they do live there too somewhat in that abandoned warehouse they call a home. xD

i doubt ichigo can get into that space now that he doesn't have shinigami or vaizard powers plus they have no use for him and really only grouped with him because he was vaizard

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by junchurikioftheleaf

i doubt ichigo can get into that space now that he doesn't have shinigami or vaizard powers plus they have no use for him and really only grouped with him because he was vaizard

True

I forgot he can't sense them out anymore

No he did fight along side Ichigo and the soul reapers in order to not only get revenge on Aizen for what he did to them but to defend karakura their intentions were good.

Well in any case Ichigo needs a plan and needs help that's for sure!

[Taker369]

did everyone forget about that soul reaper or shinagami that appeared with ichigos father and Urahara is he/she connected to the current events thats going down ? i mean everyone else seems to know Tsukishima but i wonder what will that shinagami have to do with this whole mess

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Taker369

did everyone forget about that soul reaper or shinagami that appeared with ichigos father and Urahara is he/she connected to the current events thats going down ? i mean everyone else seems to know Tsukishima but i wonder what will that shinagami have to do with this whole mess

That's why I said I want to know the deal with Isshin I want to know this mysterous meetings and chats with Urahara and the mystery character.

[junchurikioftheleaf]

if i remember correctly didn't the mystery person have weird shoes. and who has the weirdest getup outta the bad guys, tsuki im willing to freakin bet that that WAS tsukishima

[Taker369]

i know how u feel though ive been thinking maybe aizen,s goals weren't the most respectful but what if he knew something ichigo didnt about Urahara and isshin so kinda its like what if Urahara is the real villain

[Inuyasha]

@jun: What chapter and page is it I want to see it again, I'm now curious.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

No ides Moe is strange xD

Agreed Urahara always has a plan and what about his Vizard friends they could be of some use to defend Karakura I mean they do live there too somewhat in that abandoned warehouse they call a home. xD

EDIT: Yea I want to know how Urahara created an enemy or atleast made himself seem like an untrustworthy person. Although he has shown that in the past with the hiding place of the hogyoku.

Definitely. But, he does live with a psychopath, so can you blame him?

We don't know yet whether or not the Visoreds re-joined the Soul Society or returned to Karakura. Even then, Ichigo may not be able to locate them. Besides, I just get the feeling from them that their major role in the story is over, because of their past with Aizen. Of course, they may assist in fights later and demonstrate Bankai that we haven't seen, but it'll be less personal than what they had against Aizen, and they already had their "Visoreds to the rescue!" moment. Urahara will definitely be the focus in the next chapter.

Urahara has untrustworthy moments, but it always so happens that in the end, he's really a good guy. Although it still makes me interested how that same good guy managed to screw things up so badly. Really, though, it should have more to do with Isshin.

Here's my thinking: Isshin's used the Final Getsuga Tensho. A member proposed it in an earlier discussion, and I agree. Isshin regrets not being able to save his wife from Grand Fisher, but there was no way he would've been unable to do that considering how effortlessly he took down Grand Fisher as an Arrancar. The only way is that he didn't have his powers because he lost them by using the Final Getsuga Tensho, and that gives a better explanation as to why Urahara already knew about its after-effects and why Isshin already knew Zangetsu wouldn't let Ichigo learn it.

With that established, Ginjo also know all about it. I mean, when Ginjo spoke to Ichigo about how Fullbring was being used to recover his powers, he knew all about how Ichigo still had a miniscule amount of Reiatsu that could be "jolted awake". There's no way he just knew that when Urahara never gave the indication. He's met someone with the same situation as Ichigo, and that could only be Isshin. Urahara also already knew Ichigo could regain his powers since Isshin had done it, and the way Karin spoke to him indicate he had brought the matter up with her before. However, she also said it as though there was the chance Ichigo's powers wouldn't naturally come back, which does explain why Urahara didn't tell him. Just a "Don't get your hopes up" sort of thing.

The mystery of Urahara, Isshin, and Ginjo is clearly great. One last thing to mention, though, is that Isshin remarked on Ryuken's excellent father skills when Ryuken let Uryu go to Hueco Mundo. Ryuken replied that he was still a better father than Isshin, to which Isshin agreed. What does Ryuken know about Isshin's past concerning Ichigo, and what could that past be? It directly ties in to how Isshin had Urahara move forward with a procedure that would ruin his son's future and still deeply regretted doing it.

[Noctis Arashi]

I don't believe that Tsuki has surpassed Aizen in Villany. Yet.

He hasn't done anything EVIL. Nor has he done anything good. He's just been mind raping people up and down the street.

The only qestionable things is the attack on uryu. Which still puzzles me.


I would be much more satisfied with Uruhara being involved much more, or behind the scenes.

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Taker369

i know how u feel though ive been thinking maybe aizen,s goals weren't the most respectful but what if he knew something ichigo didnt about Urahara and isshin so kinda its like what if Urahara is the real villain

Doubtful although he was a crazy smart scientist who may have created things he regreats and we know a few of his mistakes his past is still shady and he should be watched closely.

[Taker369]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Doubtful although he was a crazy smart scientist who may have created things he regreats and we know a few of his mistakes his past is still shady and he should be watched closely.

and i wonder what happened to kon

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Taker369

and i wonder what happened to kon

Sometimes I also wonder where Kon is. For five seconds. Then I stop caring.

I can't say I liked his character too much. He did add comic relief, but he would be a bit out of place in this arc. Perhaps in the beginning he would've done something, but at this point there's no room for him.

[Taker369]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Sometimes I also wonder where Kon is. For five seconds. Then I stop caring.

I can't say I liked his character too much. He did add comic relief, but he would be a bit out of place in this arc. Perhaps in the beginning he would've done something, but at this point there's no room for him.

true he really would have no role to play and would just be a comic relief type character but i wonder if the soul society knows about Tsukishima and whats been going down