Debate for the side of the Argument you disagree with.

[Sabra Kusabana]

Originally Posted by TheViolletteHeart

Is this proven by fact, or just a theory?

Adressing pesticides, you do know they have environmentally friendly pesticides, right? For example, you can spray a plant with soap and water to ward off pests.

True, you can do that. The problem is that usually only fights bacteria and some plant dieseases, not most pests. It also risks leaving residue that can cause side effects just as bad as any other pesticide can.

I'm all for natural pest control, it's just really hard to do.

[TheViolletteHeart]

Originally Posted by Sabra Kusabana

And ty for the compliment. I try to make only valid arguements, and be entertaining while I do it.

I try to make only valid arguments!

...But then I slip into things that aren't really valid, but do make people laugh...

[Sabra Kusabana]

Originally Posted by TheViolletteHeart

I try to make only valid arguments!

...But then I slip into things that aren't really valid, but do make people laugh...

*Hugs V.*

That's okay, you're funny, and doing your best.

[Colt45thrwngstar]

When you create a plant, which has a gene that makes it produce its own 'pesticide' residue (we have done this, with some forms of Cotton, and other non-edibles) You run the risk of creating a plant that is 'too effective' If the plant were to spread wildly, the consequences could be dire.

[Sabra Kusabana]

Originally Posted by Colt45thrwngstar

When you create a plant, which has a gene that makes it produce its own 'pesticide' residue (we have done this, with some forms of Cotton, and other non-edibles) You run the risk of creating a plant that is 'too effective' If the plant were to spread wildly, the consequences could be dire.

I cannot dispute this risk, but that is why I believe anything we create should be properly monitered and controlled to prevent such an event.

Now I'm remembering an episode of the Termors series... So much LOL.

[ihazcetsup]

I supose from a cost/benefit perspective organic is generally safer, when you can find it legitimately. But lets be honest. The population isn't going down any time soon, unless corrective measures are taken . Organic growth systems do not have the high yields of genetically engineered plants. It may be less of a question of which is better and more a questions of which is feasible in the near future. Further, both carry risks. Organic growing systems are proven to be safer for the ecology of the region, the water table is not poisoned any more than it already is and there is less attrition of local animals and plants. It also means susceptibility to the loss of a complete crop to pests. This is what happens in Africa on a yearly basis. Locust swarms come in and wipe out the entire harvest.

I will claim that Genetically engineered agriculture despite the risks is the system that is the most likely to be proven necessary in the near future. "Get used to three eyed trout", I say.

[EdFry]

URGH! Why did you HAVE to choose a debate which I have only a one sided argument set up for.

Ok from what I know from the shows that i watch I know that Organic Farming uses pesticide; just a more toxic and less effective version and that organic farming taking up more land and it would feed less people if we switched all farming to it.

My only real argument to support "Organic" farming is that with less taste, equal nutrients and no real money going to local farmers; I declare that paying too much for food may be acceptable in these tough times only if you have a high salary and feel the need to support your mega-farmer(owned by a large corporation).--This is my bad argument...

Here is one stolen from another Guy/Gal
Credit goes to"http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/172166/detail/"
User:White_Wolf

Spoiler:

-- Chemical fertilizers and the modern way of agriculture destroys the soil to the point of it being nearly worthless and, to boot, these things destroy biodiversity and ARE hazardous to human health. Unsustainable.

-- GM food is dangerous for the environment and your health. Besides, the worst of the worst corporations push these gen techs, annihilating whole communities.

-- The scientific mainstream is often under almost complete control of these corporations, just like in the field of medicine. Actually, just about all of academia sucks.

-- Try eating real organic food some time. Not only does it taste better, which is scientifically proven by millions of gardeners around the world and many others, it usually doesn't contain chemical rubbish such as refined sugars (which is just about put into every 'ordinary' product, probably to mask the horrendous taste of those products and to cater to the lowest common denominator).

-- Go visit a real organic farm some day. For that matter, investigate permaculture. Yields are higher than the crappy modern agriculture. It's also sustainable. Ever heard of that? Geez, I wonder how those HUGE fields of dead soil will produce anything when the oil price goes way up. You wish you had some local farm.

Don't know if that was useful.

[ihazcetsup]

Originally Posted by EdFry

URGH! Why did you HAVE to choose a debate which I have only a one sided argument set up for.

Ok from what I know from the shows that i watch I know that Organic Farming uses pesticide; just a more toxic and less effective version and that organic farming taking up more land and it would feed less people if we switched all farming to it.

My only real argument to support "Organic" farming is that with less taste, equal nutrients and no real money going to local farmers; I declare that paying too much for food may be acceptable in these tough times only if you have a high salary and feel the need to support your mega-farmer(owned by a large corporation).--This is my bad argument...

Here is one stolen from another Guy/Gal
Credit goes to"http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/172166/detail/"
User:White_Wolf

Spoiler:

-- Chemical fertilizers and the modern way of agriculture destroys the soil to the point of it being nearly worthless and, to boot, these things destroy biodiversity and ARE hazardous to human health. Unsustainable.

-- GM food is dangerous for the environment and your health. Besides, the worst of the worst corporations push these gen techs, annihilating whole communities.

-- The scientific mainstream is often under almost complete control of these corporations, just like in the field of medicine. Actually, just about all of academia sucks.

-- Try eating real organic food some time. Not only does it taste better, which is scientifically proven by millions of gardeners around the world and many others, it usually doesn't contain chemical rubbish such as refined sugars (which is just about put into every 'ordinary' product, probably to mask the horrendous taste of those products and to cater to the lowest common denominator).

-- Go visit a real organic farm some day. For that matter, investigate permaculture. Yields are higher than the crappy modern agriculture. It's also sustainable. Ever heard of that? Geez, I wonder how those HUGE fields of dead soil will produce anything when the oil price goes way up. You wish you had some local farm.

Don't know if that was useful.

I think you may have the two confused.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_farming_methods

[EdFry]

Originally Posted by ihazcetsup

I think you may have the two confused.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_farming_methods

Probably I debate as well as I play chess,

I love them both but I am more of a checkers guy and a follow the person that says a lot in there post guy.

[ihazcetsup]

While it is true that non-organic farming methods do eventually render the soil agriculturally dead, I don't see that being taken into consideration until world wide famines start up and the populations start dropping.

[CrimsonCatClan]

There was a study done recently, that stated that Organic was no better for a person than Non Organic. Sure there are growth hormones and pesticides used but the plants are also treated to be richer in vitamins than their Organic cousins. Eating strictly organic can cause malnutrition at later dates. I don't worry about the pesticides or hormones due to the large amout we inhale, drink, and absorb through our skin every day. So if my fruit and veggies taste better and look healthier because of Growth Hormones, then bring em on baby!