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Old 10-23-2013, 05:14 PM   #41
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The chapter was pretty good c:
Naruto was pretty hot in that last panel, not gonna lie
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Think there is any significance to the title page (3rd color page) having the Uchiha and Uzumaki clan symbols, not Uchiha and Senju? I recognize it's probably because it is Naruto vs Obito, but with Madara being directly under the Uchiha symbol and Hashirama being directly under the Uzumaki symbol, there has to be some greater meaning...

This does leave open how Naruto gains Shukaku and Gyuuki, which we know from Hagoromo's prophecy should happen...

Also, I don't see Sasuke in the mental realm that Naruto et al. and Obito are in. Am I just missing it or is he not there?

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Nonononono, we can't go to the TnJ route, that's the lowest common denominator.
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Nonononono, we can't go to the TnJ route, that's the lowest common denominator.
if there's one thing about Kishi that I trust, it's this: Kishi will never repeat a plot twice. That Nagato experience will never happen a second time...

Why do you think The TnJ is happening inside Obito's head and not in the physical...

I think Either Sasuke or Madara (preferably Sasuke) will kill him (or even Kakashi) before obito is able to openly say he's sorry in the Physical. Only naruto would have known what happened to obito's conscience before he died.
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if there's one thing about Kishi that I trust, it's this: Kishi will never repeat a plot twice. That Nagato experience will never happen a second time...
Haku.
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Interesting that they are doing the tug of war thing. I wonder what Madara is doing during this?
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lol...are you serious? why are you confusing TnJ as a general theme with the details of each listed character's final resolve.....

- Did gaara sacrifice himself for anyone like nagato did?>>>> NO
-Did Kurama sacrifice himself for Naruto?>>>>NO
-Did Haku Sacrifice himself for any good guy, except for Zabuza? >>>NO

Read what I wrote again before jumping into conclusion...
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In the last few pages Obito first thought:-
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"Stop, don't come inside me."

Really, This translation.....
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lol...are you serious? why are you confusing TnJ as a general theme with the details of each listed character's final resolve.....

- Did gaara sacrifice himself for anyone like nagato did?>>>> NO
-Did Kurama sacrifice himself for Naruto?>>>>NO
-Did Haku Sacrifice himself for any good guy, except for Zabuza? >>>NO

Read what I wrote again before jumping into conclusion...
Let me help you with your English. You don't jump "Into" a conclusion, you just jump "to" conclusions. I'll let you fragment your sentences all day long, but that one really irked me.

Did Gaara sacrifice himself? Eventually. Yes, a whole village.
Did Haku sacrifice himself? Yes. You said it yourself. Considering Zabuza was the only person there that he would have sacrificed himself for, that's pretty valid, don't you think? I certainly do.

Face it. Your idol doesn't know how to close off a storyline worth a damn. Don't get mad at me simply because I point out his lack of forte in the department.
You said "Kishi never repeats plots." Plain and simple.
You didn't say "Kishi never repeats the final resolve of his characters deaths and the ways by which they repent and reflect upon their mistkaes".

I'm glad your his white knight and all, and believe me, I still enjoy his work a bit. The ride getting to the end of a fight is sometimes a fun one. I just hate how he closes them out. Just don't start pretending that he doesn't play the same damn card every single arc.
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if there's one thing about Kishi that I trust, it's this: Kishi will never repeat a plot twice. That Nagato experience will never happen a second time...

....what?!

you really have to have said that in jest....you can't genuinely believe that!

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lol...are you serious? why are you confusing TnJ as a general theme with the details of each listed character's final resolve....
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Oh Christ..Kamel was totally serious up there.

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l- Did gaara sacrifice himself for anyone like nagato did?>>>> NO
So, those tens of thousands of civilians and soldiers that make up the village he ran..suddenly don't exist?

We're at the point where we're literally pretending entire story arcs didn't happen to justify your defense of a really nonsensical point?



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l-Did Kurama sacrifice himself for Naruto?>>>>NO
Naw but his mother, Neiji and Hinata sure as hell did.
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-Did Haku Sacrifice himself for any good guy, except for Zabuza? >>>NO
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Basically, yeah.
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Obito was slowly being affected by Talk No Jutsu, NAruto's resolve, and by the alliance's determination for awhile and has affected his performance towards the end.

TNJ being not likely is a strange conclusion as of this moment. Kishimoto could surprise us and he has done that before but those aren't often.
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Let me help you with your English. You don't jump "Into" a conclusion, you just jump "to" conclusions. I'll let you fragment your sentences all day long, but that one really irked me.

Did Gaara sacrifice himself? Eventually. Yes, a whole village.
Did Haku sacrifice himself? Yes. You said it yourself. Considering Zabuza was the only person there that he would have sacrificed himself for, that's pretty valid, don't you think? I certainly do.

Face it. Your idol doesn't know how to close off a storyline worth a damn. Don't get mad at me simply because I point out his lack of forte in the department.
You said "Kishi never repeats plots." Plain and simple.
You didn't say "Kishi never repeats the final resolve of his characters deaths and the ways by which they repent and reflect upon their mistkaes".

I'm glad your his white knight and all, and believe me, I still enjoy his work a bit. The ride getting to the end of a fight is sometimes a fun one. I just hate how he closes them out. Just don't start pretending that he doesn't play the same damn card every single arc.
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Ehhhhh. I really wanted more characters to die off. :\
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Let me help you with your English. You don't jump "Into" a conclusion, you just jump "to" conclusions. I'll let you fragment your sentences all day long, but that one really irked me.

I don't debate with anyone who points out grammatical errors...It's lame...dont' do that again

Did Gaara sacrifice himself? Eventually. Yes, a whole village.
Gaara's sacrifice was not the same as Nagato...Nagato used a jutsu that'd kill him... Gaara fought for his villaga and protected them and got captured and killed....

Did Haku sacrifice himself? Yes. You said it yourself. Considering Zabuza was the only person there that he would have sacrificed himself for, that's pretty valid, don't you think? I certainly do.

How can you compare Haku's resolve to Nagato's...come on! Haku was not TnJ'd... he from the start didn't have the heart to kill naruto & sasuke...

Face it. Your idol doesn't know how to close off a storyline worth a damn. Don't get mad at me simply because I point out his lack of forte in the department.
I don't have to argue this at all... I can point you to comments i've made that said, Kishi knows how to hype characters but his final resolution is bad. I admit where kishi fails... I'm not close minded to truth! So I don't need to face anything.

You said "Kishi never repeats plots." Plain and simple.
You didn't say "Kishi never repeats the final resolve of his characters deaths and the ways by which they repent and reflect upon their mistakes".

lol...i don't have to say all that for someone who understands to know what I mean... I used the word "plot" not "storyline" for a reason. If you know, plots are the details of the storyline. So although the outcome of story may seem the same, i.e. TnJ, the plot isn't the same.
The theme is: Naruto has a special gifts to change people. He changed Gaara, Nagato, Neji, by the same gift but the plot (details) of the outcome was different in each case. These plots are just variations of the same theme...understood?


I'm glad your his white knight and all, and believe me, I still enjoy his work a bit. The ride getting to the end of a fight is sometimes a fun one. I just hate how he closes them out. Just don't start pretending that he doesn't play the same damn card every single arc.

Well, like I said, I don't have to argue this...I've shared the same views when it was fair to.

Listen, the minute kishi makes a different "story" to the resolve of a villain's character, he would have deviated from his main purpose of WHO NARUTO IS. He chose this TnJ for a reason. As much as Naruto is similar to Jiraiya, Jiraiya is ready to change his will and use his fist. Jiraiya gave up on Oro. Likewise, as much as Nagato is similar to Naruto, he also changed because of circumstances. Now, obito is closest to Naruto's character and he changed also. Should Naruto change, then the whole purpose of "not going against his Nindo" would have been futile. He would have failed. Naruto doesn't believe Killing the adversary is the only way to end a conflict. Kishi's intent is to show a utopia of how peace can be obtained. As unrealistic as utopia can be, without it, his ambitions to administer that ideal, through naruto would have failed.

So when I say something, it's better to ask for further enlightenment before responding without the understanding. I got no ought against you but you need to relax.



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....what?!

you really have to have said that in jest....you can't genuinely believe that!

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Oh Christ..Kamel was totally serious up there.



So, those tens of thousands of civilians and soldiers that make up the village he ran..suddenly don't exist?

We're at the point where we're literally pretending entire story arcs didn't happen to justify your defense of a really nonsensical point?





Naw but his mother, Neiji and Hinata sure as hell did.


...not sure if serious


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