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Old 06-26-2013, 10:01 PM   #21
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I just wanna say that nothing you explain can justify this outcome... But good job... I would side with you if I had a preconceived opinion but this? no!!
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Obito is just a lab rat drugged up with every hax ability (MS, Rinne, Mokuton, etc.) yet he was placed at a situation where he couldn't do jack, due to lack of chakra or exhaustion or whatever plot device kishi decides to use. Without those abilities, he's really not all that.
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Heh

CoP said: "Kakashi pretending to get stabbed by Obito because he's such a nice guy and doesn't want Obito to feel about about sucking so much"
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:56 PM   #24
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True, but that still doesn't give Kishi an excuse to rush this.

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Default Re: To clear up some misconceptions about Obito

Itachi already said it before.

"Today, Madara is a pathetic shell of his former self. He's no longer worthy of being considered the greatest Uchiha"

When he thought Tobi was Madara.

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IT is his chapter ;et him write or don't read. Simple.. But Obito is dead. He is being controlled...
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Before you jump into conclusion, know this... I'm one of the biggest Kishi supporters but also I'm never carried away by my sentiments... What is terrible is terrible whether i like the author or not... So this is not senseless bashing guys...

Chp 636 was a disgusting chapter... I seriously had to force myself to finish reading it... I think it's about time to take a break...

Is kishi become a madman? Where the heck is his logic? thrown out of the window... What foolish story telling he's giving us right now? I am so annoyed I won't even go into detail...It's a waste of time and a horrible disappointment.

HOW ON EARTH COULD OBITO LOSE TO KAKASHI?

* Obito controlled powerful Shinobo in the past, THE AKATSUKI, including Nagato, and Itachi...

** Obito Single handedly destroyed dozens of Mist Ninjas (and don't tell me it's spiral zetsu)

*** Obito fought Gai, Naruto KCM and Kakashi at the same time and they could barely touch him. With Gai being better than Kakashi at Taijutsu, even he couldn't touch Obito.

**** Obito possesses the ALMIGHTY Rinnegan

*****Obito Possesses some unknown chakra chains.

****** Obito possessed the God Mokouto ability


Now how on earth could he lose to a Jonin Kakashi? w-t-f- was that? A hand to hand combat? At a time like this? when he possessed the rinnegan?

And since when did kakashi know to use genjutsu to that level?

So kishi means to say all this while Obito never surpassed kakashi? what? Kakashi is one of my favorite characters but I don't care for that sentiment right now?

How could Obito have lost this fight...He's supposed to be one of the main villains for Christ's sake. I know kishi wasn't too good at developing Villains but I didn't think he'd suck this much with Obito? The masked man who not only controlled the shinobi war but controlled the fans interest for the longest time... This is his end?

And Orochimaru being the only good villain is about to be ruined as well?

Kishi is a simple fool. He's just become lazy and doesn't give a damnn anymore... I feel like crying already? Someone kill kishi... Let Naruto remain unfinished rather than getting ruined!
You just WANT everyone to die don't you?
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Kalmeast isn't being biased at all,i laugh when all of you people accuse him of it because you cannot explain his well took points.


Its a fact that kishi screwed up on Obito-Kakashi fight,obito COULDN"T have lost if it was written by a normal person.


Its like Sakura and Sasuke fought again and sakura won,how would you explain that?well the case is the same here.
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Its like Sakura and Sasuke fought again and sakura won,how would you explain that?well the case is the same here.
lol i would love kishi for doing this!!! i forget he doesnt like girls though
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Obito losing without his abilities should have been a given. That is like taking away an admirals devil fruit in op and putting him against Marco of the whitebeard crew.
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The thing is, i'm pretty hurt...yea...kishi hurt my conscience... I always placed him under one of the gods...but...?

Even if Kakashi should defeat Obito... Not this directly...perhaps by wit or something... since we all know Kakashi is always smarter than Obito even if obito became the Ten Tail jinch... A direct Attack with a Kunai wrapped in chidori?

My only hope is time...Maybe time will heal the mental wound


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Because Kakashi is awesome.

A genjutsu like that ain't that freakishly complicated to do.
Isn't like Tsukuyomi or something.
hehehe....u're so bias when it comes to Kakashi...it's not even a crime anymore!
I guess that's what I like about you the most... I'm sure u'd even be happy if Kakashi fought rikoudo sennin and won

@SB... I agree with most of what you're saying.... it's like Dre's Detox...taken too long and most have lost their interest...

@Woo*... such irony lol... I'm try'n to accept that perspective but it's still not sinking in yet!...


To accept that obito was never a strong villain to begin with that's why he always hid in the shadows and manipulated people from Yagura, to Pain, to Itachi to Sasuke?
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Kishi is not certain about what's going to happen to Naruto and I presume he's too lazy to write more chapters and wants to end it as soon as possible which may be the main reason his writing's getting worse, I mean the development is happening so fast and it's really confusing. The story's starting to rotate around Madara and just killed the other main villain in such a cheap way but I think Kishi has a chapter or two to fix this colossal mistake which I doubt he will.
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well to be honest for how is it possible for Obito to die I say its possible since he was on the line until now. He used his chakra to control 6 bijuus and fight against 2 hosts. Then Kakashi and Might Guy joined. Another skilled shinobis.

But to sum up Obito was nothing from the start. He hid himself in Akatsuki's shadows. Using the knowledge he had, he controlled the naive Nagato - although one of the most powerful ninja. Nagato had his followers because he shared the same dream as most of the past Akatsu members.

Another big role for his influence is his mask and that he presented himself as Madara Uchiha - a fact that shocked almost everyone he confessed.

For conclusion I can say: Obito Uchiha is at the same time the most powerful and the weakest ninja. Why ? Because he has all it takes to do whatever he wants, but his fetishes are also many.
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There was no indication however, that obito was running out of chakra... that was not the problem at all...it's only a presumption... He didn't lose because he didn't have enough chakra...

If like SilenceBlade said that Kishi needs to wrap things up, fine. If that's the case, then why's Kishi bringing back the 5 Kages that already failed...For what? Isn't that going to be using panel that could have been used to make the Obito vs Kakashi better....

I simply hope Kishi doesn't fall to the Bleach trap where no good guy dies.... But, again, I mustn't be too harsh... Kishi is still a genius who can pull some amazing stunt any moment... The problem isn't that He's a bad writer... Far from that... He just isn't doing what he's capable of... I hope it isn't editors giving him a deadline to complete the manga...

Anyways.... Though I can never forgive this outcome of Obito, This whole war arc is monumental and nobody I know can keep up with this much drawings and ideas and not break down...
For that reason alone: I'm still open for Kishi to woaw me!... make me believe in him again!
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Before we look at the fight, we should look at what he did before the fight. Summon the Juubi, take on the Allied Forces, fight with Gai/Naruto/Kakashi and Naruto/Killer Bee, summon back Bijuu and their Jinchuriki, and give them all Rinnengan and Sharingan. And he got hit pretty bad.
Simply put, he was totally exhausted, while Kakashi had Kyuubi Chakra and stuff.
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Why Obito Lost
  • He could not use Kaumi
  • He was tired
  • Kakashi had his chakra restored
  • He has not shown to be able to use the different abilities of the rinnegan
I thought it was obvious as soon as they went into kaumiland who was going to win.

Obito is nothing without kaumi
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Someone told that since Obito has one transplanted rinnegan he cant use it properly.But so far those who have one special eye like kakashi and Danzou didn't face any problem to use transplanted eye even though those are MS and normally MS cant be activated without two sharingan. Although kakashi's body cant take it easily.

Nagato could use rinnegan properly cause he is an uzumaki.Then Obito should use it properly cause he is an ucciha.

Finally this conversation:

Obito:I could use the rinnegan's human path ability to learn everything he(Yamato) knows but it would kill him.And you are saying leaving him alive would help you strengthen zetsu?

Kabuto:Yes.

(Naruto manga chapter 515 page 10)

It clearly showed he can use six path.

He maybe have chakra shortage but he cant perform any path against kakashi but still can perform kamui(MS technique) is impossible.

Judging by Kakashi,Itachi, Sasuke and Nagato's reaction MS is the more difficult to use than S,EMS or rinnegan.

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Kishi is sure smoking a good hellaf a cigar... putting me to shame like that....

Jeez... I mustn't be too harsh again... I mean... This plot and this turn around of Obito, (chp 637) just blew me away...

Obito's character just got redeemed?... but it was successfully done too...hmmm... kishi...

Become a god again...
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:48 PM   #39
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Before you jump into conclusion, know this... I'm one of the biggest Kishi supporters but also I'm never carried away by my sentiments... What is terrible is terrible whether i like the author or not... So this is not senseless bashing guys...

Chp 636 was a disgusting chapter... I seriously had to force myself to finish reading it... I think it's about time to take a break...

Is kishi become a madman? Where the heck is his logic? thrown out of the window... What foolish story telling he's giving us right now? I am so annoyed I won't even go into detail...It's a waste of time and a horrible disappointment.

HOW ON EARTH COULD OBITO LOSE TO KAKASHI?

* Obito controlled powerful Shinobo in the past, THE AKATSUKI, including Nagato, and Itachi...

** Obito Single handedly destroyed dozens of Mist Ninjas (and don't tell me it's spiral zetsu)

*** Obito fought Gai, Naruto KCM and Kakashi at the same time and they could barely touch him. With Gai being better than Kakashi at Taijutsu, even he couldn't touch Obito.

**** Obito possesses the ALMIGHTY Rinnegan

*****Obito Possesses some unknown chakra chains.

****** Obito possessed the God Mokouto ability


Now how on earth could he lose to a Jonin Kakashi? w-t-f- was that? A hand to hand combat? At a time like this? when he possessed the rinnegan?

And since when did kakashi know to use genjutsu to that level?

So kishi means to say all this while Obito never surpassed kakashi? what? Kakashi is one of my favorite characters but I don't care for that sentiment right now?

How could Obito have lost this fight...He's supposed to be one of the main villains for Christ's sake. I know kishi wasn't too good at developing Villains but I didn't think he'd suck this much with Obito? The masked man who not only controlled the shinobi war but controlled the fans interest for the longest time... This is his end?

And Orochimaru being the only good villain is about to be ruined as well?

Kishi is a simple fool. He's just become lazy and doesn't give a damnn anymore... I feel like crying already? Someone kill kishi... Let Naruto remain unfinished rather than getting ruined!

Well if you actually look... He fought Naruto, Bee Kakashi and Guy and the Shinobi army. Using the 6 paths and Kumai and summoning the Juubi. all those things.. This guy singly hand fought and weapon fought Naruto in BM with Kakashi and broke the mask only because there was more then one. put full Kakashi next to full Obito and Kakashi dies. Why? He was also healed by Kurama and given chakra where Obito was forced to control Juubi and focus and not getting healed or help nor extra chakra. So you explain to me how a man only on reserves will win.
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you said exactly what i was thinking in the op, kalm.

this most recent chapter somewhat suggests that obito wanted to be on the verge of death though, perhaps because it somehow helped him in sealing the juubi. that's the only explanation for him "losing" to kakashi.
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