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Old 06-12-2013, 12:30 AM   #41
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

The OP stated two scenarios.

1. With knowledge

This means that both characters know about each other, their jutsus, etc.

2. Without knowledge

What this states, the two characters randomly fight, and are pitted against each other based on their previous fights, how they generally act, their fighting style, etc.

edit: I'm sure there are better descriptions somewhere in the BG, the OP has BG defaults, so there's a thread somewhere.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:08 PM   #42
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

Why are water clones being put into account? It's not like Hidan can't also make clones.

Hidan has shown more speed and evasion, so Zabuza won't be able to land anything. Zabuza has the advantage on the bridge cause of Hidden mist and he is one of the only few characters who can easily decapitate Hidan. However, Zabuza is far too slow to hit Hidan, whereas Hidan is much more likely to land a blow. Stop overestimating Zabuza's blocking capabilities.. I'm pretty sure Kakashi held up against both the Scythe and Blade so there isn't much difference except that Zabuza's blade is slower.
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

Going to have to disagree with you on that, Zabuza isn't going to have any trouble swatting the scythe away and I don't know where you're getting the speed references from.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:31 PM   #44
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

Well I'm sure that Kakashi blocked Zabuza's blade with a Kunai, not that Hidan will try to block it anyway. Also, when Kakuzu attacked Hidan with his iron fist capable of breaking down the fire temple's gate, Hidan blocked it with his scythe. His scythe has also been easily carving through trees, the ground and walls, making the scythe's destructive force official.

Speed references are from Hidan prancing around Shikamaru's shadow bind and Asuma at the same time effortlessly. I've never seen Zabuza move around so freely into the air like Hidan did when he landed his first attack on Asuma. Zabuza on foot and his attacks in general seem very slow compared to Hidan.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:42 PM   #45
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Hidan stopping Kakuzu's fist was anime only but Hidan managed to get blood from the Nibi and she had the tail beast cloak on
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

Hidan can't make clones. His only known jutsu is creating that circle of death.

Zabuza handling the weight, and speed feats:
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"He was strong enough to effortlessly wield the large Kubikiribocho for long periods of time, even with one hand, as well as fast enough to match Kakashi in both movements and hand seals. His strength and agility was further proven when he held up Kakashi with one hand and a fuma shuriken in the other and was able to jump high enough to dodge a second shuriken, which was at the level of his neck while the Kubikiribocho was still strapped to his back. Zabuza also had remarkable levels of stamina and endurance; after fighting Kakashi and having both of his arms injured beyond use, he charged against Gato's thugs, killing many of them and Gato as well, despite having a large number of blades piercing him from the enemies."


Zabuza's blade is claimed to never cut a second time, as it is able to dispatch large groups of people in a single swing.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #47
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Hidan can't make clones. His only known jutsu is creating that circle of death.

Zabuza handling the weight, and speed feats:
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"He was strong enough to effortlessly wield the large Kubikiribocho for long periods of time, even with one hand, as well as fast enough to match Kakashi in both movements and hand seals. His strength and agility was further proven when he held up Kakashi with one hand and a fuma shuriken in the other and was able to jump high enough to dodge a second shuriken, which was at the level of his neck while the Kubikiribocho was still strapped to his back. Zabuza also had remarkable levels of stamina and endurance; after fighting Kakashi and having both of his arms injured beyond use, he charged against Gato's thugs, killing many of them and Gato as well, despite having a large number of blades piercing him from the enemies."


Zabuza's blade is claimed to never cut a second time, as it is able to dispatch large groups of people in a single swing.

Hidan's scythe is heavy too and he's able to swing it around and maneuver it on a cable and he's able to dodge massive building busters at close range with such a heavy weapon.

His durability is insane as we all know because he's immortal and pain doesn't hinder his performance at all. Izumo and Kotesu stabbed him in his vital spots after getting caught in shadow bind and afterwards he was playing around with all of them but underestimated Shikamru who is one of the smartest ninja's in the manga.

Hidan however is indeed arrogant because he was about to go back to the checkpoint after all that happened knowing there would have been an ambush squad waiting for them and Kakuzu told him that they would be taking a different route instead. If Kakuzu wasn't there, Hidan would have walked right into a cluster****.


BUT, Hidan is no idiot when it comes to combat and he gets the job done. Hidan was smart enough to dodge the attack from Niibi instead of taking advantage of his immortality. He knew nothing about Niibi so he didn't risk getting hit by her attack. Hidan shown great reflexes blocking kunai using nothing but his cable from an ambush assault and he's shown quick thinking when he used his scythe to dodge the kunai tag in mid air.

Chapter 313 pages 10-11 Hidan dodges a giant fireball at close range from the two tails who blitz Kakuzu and the fireball was big and powerful enough to 1 shot an entire 4 story building to nothing but debris and he did it effortlessly

Hidan shown great speed when he closed a big distance between him in Kakashi in one panel. He can move from point A to point B instantly.

Look at the distance between him and Kakashi on chapter 334 page 5
then look at pages 10-11. He's very fast.

Chapter 336 Page 10 shows you how fast he can draw the symbol

Chapter 323 pages 11-13 Hidan dodging multiple shadows in mid air while focusing on Asuma and even tagging him using the cable. Keep in mind his scythe is heavy too.

Chapter 324 page 13 Hidan resisting shadow hold using nothing but muscle and he was the only ninja in the entire manga to do this using muscle alone

Chapter 327 page 4 Hidan having an orgasm from stabbing himself in the heart




Once their bodies were linked Hidan can reflect the damage back to the victim. Asuma's skin got burned really bad and his right arm got injured bad to the point he couldn't hold his weapon but Hidan's skin didnt get burned at all and his right arm was functioning perfectly fine.



Zabuza didn't keep up with Kakashi with hand seals, Kakashi was simply copying the hand seals he was doing.

"Zabuza's blade is claimed to never cut a second time, as it is able to dispatch large groups of people in a single swing." That's hype and can't be considered a feat unless there is proof.

Zabuzu has to stand still and close his eyes to summon the mist and based on feats, Hidan can blitz him for blood before the mist completely coveres the area which wont matter because Hidan will have his blood and Zabuzu will die in the mist no matter where he is.


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Lol Kanda, hidan can't make clones. The clones will at least distract/confuse hidan
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Lol Kanda, hidan can't make clones. The clones will at least distract/confuse hidan
All the clones will do is turn into puddles when Hidan hits them
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And in that time zabuza can use hidden mist or water dragon
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Default Re: Zabuza vs. Hidan

I have a question. If this is a one on one fight then why won't Hidan see him summoning the water clones if that's what you're saying he would start with? With knowledge Hidan will aim for the real Zabuzu and get his blood and then smash the water clones.

Water dragon bullet wont hurt Hidan and Hidan will draw the circle and if Zabuzu triess to decapitate him he will be decapitating himself
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He water would wash away te blood and the ritual

Just because he has knowledge does not mean he knows were the real zabuza is. The water clones would appear instantly. Remember! It was instant wen he fought saskue and Kakashi because tey were near water
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