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Old 05-16-2013, 07:52 PM   #21
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Gai was practically dead long before that. Also again doesn't change the fact none of the kages sent Madara and his susanoo flying. Not paying attention is not an excuse for a character who destroyed 5 of the strongest shinobi at the sametime.

You mean the kages that are currently drowning in their own blood.
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psh 5 of the strongest yeah right. Tsuande and mei are barely the strongest in their village.
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They are stronger than the every shinobi on that field from the alliance outside of Gai's team.
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psh 5 of the strongest yeah right. Tsuande and mei are barely the strongest in their village.
Tsunade is debatable but Mei is just no. Considering the mist is full of fodder. ( unless were talking about past. )
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Darui could beat Mei
Kitsuchi could beat Mei
Choji could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
Mifune could beat Mei
Kankuro could beat Mei
Choza could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
Neji could beat Mei
Temari could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
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Darui could not beat Mei
Kitsuchi could not beat Mei
Choji could notbeat Mei and/or Tsuande
Mifune could not beat Mei
Kankuro could not beat Mei
Choza could not beat Mei and/or Tsuande
Neji could not even dodge wooden spikes
Temari could not beat Mei and/or Tsuande
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:56 AM   #27
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It seems like it several points in the story. Although base or gated, it's clear that he's on the same speed level as RM Naruto and Tobi.


What? RM Naruto's speed > V2 Shroud A w/Shunshin's speed by a little. Therefore, unless Raikage has demonstrated superior reaction feats, RM Naruto's reaction speed is superior to Raikage's reaction speed. I wouldn't call someone who was running over the entire battlefields of World War 4 to only be capable of "speed bursts for a short period of time". It's clear that Naruto is capable of running at high speeds, not necessarily speeds that are at least as fast as the Raikage's, continously for long periods of time.

And the fact that Obito was moving at equal speed with RM also supports Gai's footspeed and reaction speed.

Speedblitz is not possible between two people with the same footspeed, unless the other is not paying attention to the blitzer.


Greater power? No, Gai's Morning Peacock and Hirudora says otherwise.
Raikage hasn't even shown any feats of running for long periods of time.

Well luckily this isn't a flat-out brawl, but a deathmatch between two brawlers at full power. There's nothing stopping Gai from blasting A with Hirudora from a distance. The only thing the Raikage over Gai is physical durability and physical strength. Nothing more.

Speaking of distance, I really insist on the OP to specify one because it's essential in most battles.
No it's not clear he's at the same level of speed as Minato's Flying Thunder God >.>

It was explained in the nature of his technique that A's lightning armor gives him increased reaction time. It stimulates his neurons to fire at extremely high speeds. He was able to scan the entire battlefield for Minato's kunai in a split second the only reason he didn't predict where Minato planned on teleporting was because he didn't know Minato could put the FTG seal on other people but he immediately knew what happened.

Naruto has demonstrated his reaction time isn't close to his speed. He's been grabbed and tagged quite a few times. Most recently, against the Edo Jinchuuriki Bee saved him from Utakata's bubble bombs and Yugito's katon technique. That is why I specifically made the point that movement speed isn't necessarily reaction speed.

As for "greater power" read the whole comment, I said that the techniques Gai uses are what put him above A. But in raw strength no he loses out. He got knocked to the bottom of the lake by Kisame while on full guard and Kisame not only couldn't block Bee's Lariat but got torn apart by it. A is in the top 4 most physically dominant characters in the series only behind his own father and brother and Tsunade.

@PoP Sry but DL is right man. None of those characters can take on Mei or Tsunade. Tsunade would roflstomp Choza like she did Manda. Choza is most definitely not Kage level in combat, even low tier wise.
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Nobody is faster than ftg. They can be as fast as Minato who has to activate his technique. But his technique has been compared to whatherface light speed transportation technique in the story. The technique is pretty limited in random start up battle like the one he had against A. In an open prepped area where kunai are scattered across the battlefield he is probably a beast in speed.
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wow how could Teamri not beat mei?
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wow how could Teamri not beat mei?
Not only does Mei have the elemental advantage with fire over wind but all her techniques are higher tier with the exception of Temari's summon. There's also the fact that Mei is most likely superior in every category simply because she is a Kage. Speed, strength, intelligence, stamina, ninjutsu, taijutsu I don't see one area where Temari would have the advantage.
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Ight for humor lets say base guy is on par with KM Naruto speed... so how is Guy going to land damage to a tanker like Ay
Best bet is Hirudora.

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No it's not clear he's at the same level of speed as Minato's Flying Thunder God >.>
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It was explained in the nature of his technique that A's lightning armor gives him increased reaction time. It stimulates his neurons to fire at extremely high speeds. He was able to scan the entire battlefield for Minato's kunai in a split second the only reason he didn't predict where Minato planned on teleporting was because he didn't know Minato could put the FTG seal on other people but he immediately knew what happened.
What the hell does this have to do with anything I said?

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Naruto has demonstrated his reaction time isn't close to his speed. He's been grabbed and tagged quite a few times. Most recently, against the Edo Jinchuuriki Bee saved him from Utakata's bubble bombs and Yugito's katon technique. That is why I specifically made the point that movement speed isn't necessarily reaction speed.
More like you not understanding exactly what reaction and movement speed is. Simply because he's been tagged doesn't mean anything. RM Naruto has clearly shown that he is capable of not only reacting to the Raikage, but they're both able to keep up with each other. When did the Raikage ever blitz Naruto if Naruto's reaction speed isn't close to Raikage's movement speed. The Raikage merely intercepted him, something naruto did not predict. When Naruto got bloodlusted, he outran the Raikage's FULL speed, putting his own reaction speed ABOVE the Raikage's reaction speed.
All you're doing is ignoring the fact that Naruto is in fact faster than the Raikage, has been mentioned to be comparable to Minato (although not for a direct reason), and trying to overshadow Naruto's real speed with lower-end speed feats.

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Essentially a repetition of what I mentioned.
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Darui could beat Mei
Kitsuchi could beat Mei
Choji could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
Mifune could beat Mei
Kankuro could beat Mei
Choza could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
Neji could beat Mei
Temari could beat Mei and/or Tsuande
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No it's not clear he's at the same level of speed as Minato's Flying Thunder God
FTG speed is unparalleled in the narutoverse.

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It was explained in the nature of his technique that A's lightning armor gives him increased reaction time. It stimulates his neurons to fire at extremely high speeds. He was able to scan the entire battlefield for Minato's kunai in a split second the only reason he didn't predict where Minato planned on teleporting was because he didn't know Minato could put the FTG seal on other people but he immediately knew what happened.
I wouldn't call this reaction time. This is more a showcase of A's battle IQ and quick thinking. In VS debates, battle IQ and real-time problem solving are underutilized because we tend to get dazzled by flashy moves and eyeball jutsus.

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Best bet is Hirudora.
Too lazy to scan all the posts... The only way Gai beats A is if he's able to sustain the 6th-7th gates for a prolonged period of time. First off, A has an incredible amount of stamina. His speed is hyped to be 2nd only to KCM Naruto. He is also one of the best tankers in the series-- chopping his arm off against Sasuke, tanking Bee's lariat (and he wasn't even serious), and most impressively tanking the crudest teleportation jutsu in the Narutoverse (a jutsu that would've reduced anyone not named A, 3RK, or Tsunade with Byakugou to dust).

Can he tank Hirudora? That remains to be seen but I'm betting he can. At the least, it'll stun him for a few seconds which could be an opening for Gai to finish him off with gated taijutsu attacks-- but this is incumbent upon Gai surviving A's speedblitz and one-shot attacks. I'm waiting to see Hirudora feats on land though. In water, we found out that it can counter Kisame's shark missile and subdue Kisame. The only feat in land that I could think of was a peripheral feat when it grabbed Madara and threw him down.
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How could mei beat anyone of them. Her attacks are slow. Water dragon is her only strong move
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Guy can instantly go into 6 gates. Which means instant access to fireball spammage,
And in 6 gates. There will never be a speedblitz. Ever. Even once he has finished A will have stayed back because of the amount of attacks. And then he can enter seven gates and Hirudora his ass.
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More like you not understanding exactly what reaction and movement speed is. Simply because he's been tagged doesn't mean anything. RM Naruto has clearly shown that he is capable of not only reacting to the Raikage, but they're both able to keep up with each other. When did the Raikage ever blitz Naruto if Naruto's reaction speed isn't close to Raikage's movement speed. The Raikage merely intercepted him, something naruto did not predict. When Naruto got bloodlusted, he outran the Raikage's FULL speed, putting his own reaction speed ABOVE the Raikage's reaction speed.
All you're doing is ignoring the fact that Naruto is in fact faster than the Raikage, has been mentioned to be comparable to Minato (although not for a direct reason), and trying to overshadow Naruto's real speed with lower-end speed feats.
No, I understand just fine. My example didn't rest solely on Naruto being tagged it had to do with clear circumstances in which Naruto was put in a tough spot that required immediate response and failed to REACT. That is what gives someone fast reaction time. Base Bee is in no way faster than Naruto but he has the greater reaction time.

The only time Naruto got past Raikage was when he had mentally prepped for the incoming attack (and that wasn't him "bloodlusted" by the way). Raikage went full power and basically said if Naruto could get past him he could go to battle. Other than that the fight consisted of Naruto trying to get away and A hedging him off at every opportunity while also stopping Bee. Ironically, it is in fact you who has demonstrated the lack of understanding of the difference between reaction speed and movement speed that you have accused me of. Getting out of the way of an attack you know is coming takes some reaction speed but is largely a matter of who is faster than whom. Performing the appropriate response for unforeseen circumstances is a better indicator of reaction speed.

If we were standing in an open space and playing a game of dodgeball in an open court and I throw a ball at you as hard as I can and you dodge it, indeed you have a decent reaction time but that was largely a result of you being able to move out of the way faster than I could throw the ball.

Now if we were playing with water balloons and I popped out from behind a bush to throw it at you and you instinctively ducked that is more a result of a great reaction time than movement speed.


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