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Hashirama 40 56.34%
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:08 PM   #441
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I vote tobirama. I believe he makes decision for the better of the village not for himself. Like hashirama trying to make madara hokage, obviously not the best decision for the village. They both have their flaws though.

Also prince of peace what was your reasoning for voting Hashirama, you didnt share.
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See where your debating has gotten you? u shoulda just shut down when Hashirama won the vote but your insatiable lust for debating has made our efforts to make Hashi win floated away with the wind...see now, newer voters just went for Tobi and now it's a tie... lol... the next vote is gonna make Tobirama the victor and no amount of debate u make from now is gonna help...

my time was wasted....lol....
Haha...See...there you have it...viola!! didn't even take that long...
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Mod, quick, lock this thread!!

Tobirama wins!! Hashirama took the lead in the third quarter, but with 1 second left in the forth, Tobirama teleports in front for the win!!!!

Winner!!!!

Hand shakes all around. Pat on the back. Now onto the next game.

There will be no finer final post to a long thread, so....this is good.

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It is tied! Remember voice switched from tobirama to hashirama!

Plus the OP still has hashirama winning
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I vote tobirama. I believe he makes decision for the better of the village not for himself. Like hashirama trying to make madara hokage, obviously not the best decision for the village. They both have their flaws though.

Also prince of peace what was your reasoning for voting Hashirama, you didnt share.

I already explained why hashirama is better but I would be glad to say it again

1-even the senju know who is the better leader! Hashirama of course. That is why he was the leader. He was the best. If tobirama was better he would have been the leader or the 1st hokage but both of those positions were given to hashirama. Honestly it does not matter what we think cuz it has already been decided. If tobirama was the better leader than he would have been e senju leader or 1st hokage.

2-hashirama is an original peacemaker! Lets stop and think the amount of leadership and confidence to stop the
1st ever war. Hashirama was confiendent enough to make allies with the uchiha to stop the war. Hashirama was not one of those people who just wished for peace. In fact hashirama was the one to go after that dream. He knew that if the 2 steongest clans teamed up together then the war would end. Hashirama was willing to kill himself if that meant madara would make peace. How many people would have done that? Yes it is crazy and insane but war was much worse. With hadhirama's death thousands of lives would have been saved. Some people say hashirama killing madara would still lead to the leaf village but that is just an assumptions. Hashirama not killing madara was vital cuz at showed that hashirama was truly peaceful and not a tyrant who ruled on power. Plus if madara was killed that would activate a stronger sharigan and make the uchiha stronger and some would rebel while so,e would give it.
If we had it tobirama's way then there would be no village. Tobirama would just want to kill madara. This would lead to no peace nor a village. But thanks to hadhirama's leadership and kind heart peace was made. This was the first real peace.


3-there are very little and rare times of peace so when they happen its best to make not of them. While hashirama was in charge it was very peaceful. The only threat was madara which hashirama took care of. Hashirama was such a great leader that even the uchiha ditched madara for hashirama!hashirama ruled with kindness and power. In his reign for the first to,e kids did not have to grow up in a world of war. Instead they could live to know the taste of alcohol and play and actually be kids! Of tobirama was in charge this would not have happened.

4-overall tobirama had more faults than hashirama. Hashirama was more liked and trusted. Tobirama just helped finish what hashirama started. Hashirama was the one who came up and acted on the idea. Tobirama just followed through


Now tell me why you like tobirama over hashirama please. And please comment to the spoiler I said ealier
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"1-even the senju know who is the better leader! Hashirama of course. That is why he was the leader. He was the best. If tobirama was better he would have been the leader or the 1st hokage but both of those positions were given to hashirama. Honestly it does not matter what we think cuz it has already been decided. If tobirama was the better leader than he would have been e senju leader or 1st hokage."

In my opinion I do not think that Hokage is necessary whos the best leader in the village. Its usually given to the strongest ninja in the village. Sure they do have to have a leaders personality but it doesnt make them the best "leader" in the village.

"4-overall tobirama had more faults than hashirama. Hashirama was more liked and trusted. Tobirama just helped finish what hashirama started. Hashirama was the one who came up and acted on the idea. Tobirama just followed through"

Good leaders arent always liked.

They are both definitely good leaders, I just believe Tobirama is the better leader. If I was living in the village I know that I would rather have Tobirama calling the shots, I would feel alot safer.
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Lol it's tied again.
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Because they are both great but very different leaders.
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It is tied! Remember voice switched from tobirama to hashirama!

Plus the OP still has hashirama winning
No, it wasn't tied when I posted that. Obviously. it was 21-20.
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But why would you feel safe with Tobirama when he has so many flaws

Top 7 Reasons (in counting) On An All Out Why Tobirama Is NOT The Better Leader

1-Wanting to Kill Madara
Question:What would killing Madara solve?
Answer: NOTHING!
IF Tobirama had his way and killed Madara the world would still be in the 1st ninjar war! There would be no leaf village and the world would be a bloody mess! There would be no peace nor comprimise. The uchiha people would still hold a grudge told the senju and they would stiill fight. WIthout the Uchiha making the Leaf and establishing peace would be impossible.

2-Dicrimination Against Uchiha Clan
Question: What reasons did Tobirama have to treat the Uchiha diffenerntly?
Answer: No good reason
The Uchiha clan did nothing but good for the Leaf village. They helped build the leaf from the ground up. The leaf village would not have been created without them.
They lived in peace and harmony with the senju and the other clans. The only person who still had a grudge was Tobirama...for no reason! The war was long since over and nobody did anything to make anybody not trust anyone.
If the Uchiha were untrustworthy then they would have joined Madara to attack the Leaf. But not a single Uchiha meber would join Madara. They loved the leaf and the people more than Madara. They forsakened and betrayed their leader that would do anything for them. If that is not loyalty to the Leaf then what is?
SO WHY DID THEY DESERVE TO BE DISCRIMINATED?!?
It makes no sense? Who said that they wanted to be
-distanced from the village they helped create
Why was this needed?
-watched over
This should complete distrust. No other clan was being watched. It was totally unjust. The Uchiha proved themseleves
-given a petty job
The police force did not do anything special. IF it was needed or vital it would still be around today
Overall Tobirama only proved Madara right. TObirama took over! He was becoming a tryrant and overpowerd the Uchiha. He treated them like weaker beings. Such as slaves or dogs.
Tobirama was just scared of Madara.

3-Tobirama had a Poor Reign
The Leaf village was not successful when Tobirama was in charge. There was war and not peace. Tobirama had a short and bad reign of terror. He died to at the hands of Kumo ninja. Tobirama could not even establish peace. He was not even trustworthy. Other villages like that knew that which is why some of the kumo ninja staged a coup against him.

4-Tobirama is a hypicrite!
HOW CAN YOU GUYS SUPPORT HIM!
First he tells Hashirama that there should be democracy when they vote for Hokage. He critizies hashirama for wanting to choose the Hokage
BUT!!!!!
Tobirama chooses the next Hokage by himself!
ARE YOU KIDDING!
TObirama did not use democracy! He choose the next hokage himself just like that instantly without any other say. He did not ask for a vote or cast a democracy. Once again he is a hypicrite!
That was not the only time he was being a hypicrite! (see 5)

5-Dealt with Saskue badly
What was Tobirama trying to accomplish? He did not do anything with Saskue! If anything he just made Saskue even more angry! All of the other hokages were calm and ready to listen to reason but Tobirama was the only hot-head. He was the one who wanted to fight and attack. Fighting and attacking would not solve anything. Tobirama was at the enemies hands. He could not help but be a slave via ET. If Tobirama attacked it could only end bad
A.Oro cancels the ET and sends Tobirama back to the grave while Taka destroys the leaf
B. Oro takes full control of Tobirama and uses him to destroy the leaf
C. Taka fights Tobirama and Taka wins
D. Tobirama fights taka and wins...the cycle of hatred/revenge continues. Also Now since Taka is dead Tobirama can not be sent back to the afterlife and will now be a living zombie foreever
If Only Tobirama talked to him then there would be at LEAST a chance of some good coming out
A. Tobirama talks to Saskue. The Hokages give Saskue the answer which turns his heart good. Saskue would then deicde not to harm the village and the village would be saved.
B. Talk to Saskue....THEN ATTACK! This way the Hokages stalled and they have more time to breka out of ET and attack and by stalling they at least gain more information
Overall by talking there is a bigger chance that the Village would be saved
Now you may be asking how is Tobirama a hypricrite?
Well
1st-Saskue comes in and says he will destroy the leaf if he does not get an answer right?
then
2nd-Oro mentions Madara being around and suddenly Tobirama leaves the leaf to go fight Madara

....WHAT THE HECK!!!

Dude seriously?!?! THe village is in danger by an evil pshcyo! YEt you want to leave your home village that is in danger to fight Madara? How much sense does that make? WHy travel so far when there is an urgent issue in the village at the moment! Tobirama pracitcally just gave the leaf village to Saskue

That is like A robber being in your house but you forget to pick up your kid from baseball practice! Handle the issue at hand!

6-Impure Ressurection
This needs no explaination. This is the most sinster jutsu in all of Narutoverse. No good comes out of this jutsu. Hashirama told him not to make it yet Tobirama did it anyway. It has done wayy more evil then good. If it was not for this jutsu Madara would not be here and neither would the hokages. THE DEAD SHOULD STAY DEAD! To even use this jutsu their has to be a sacrfice. And using it rudly awakens the dead from their slumber only to be controlled like puppets. There is no justification for this jutsu

7-He is the weakest of the Hokages
Check the Narutoverse section Tobirama always loses even to Tsuande.

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That is why Tobirama is NOT the better leader. He has done way more wrong than good. If you support Tobirama than you support being a hyipricite and discrimination. Hashirama has done more good than bad. He brought peace in his era instead of war.

Go #TeamHashirama

Honestly the only compliant I have heard about Hashirama is that he did not kill Madara but if he killed him the village would not be established

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But why would you feel safe with Tobirama when he has so many flaws

Top 7 Reasons (in counting) On An All Out Why Tobirama Is NOT The Better Leader

1-Wanting to Kill Madara
Question:What would killing Madara solve?
Answer: NOTHING!
IF Tobirama had his way and killed Madara the world would still be in the 1st ninjar war!
You might want to leave the yellow part out, it makes you look bad. Bad enough that someone might skip the rest of your post.

What would Minato's role in this multigenerational war be? Hiruzen? Nagato?

How come no side surrendered? How come no side was crushed?

How come no other shinobe in naruto world history was able to bring peace?

Doesn't seem very likely to me.
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How is what's in yellow wrong/bad?

What do you mean by roles? Do you mean to bring peace? While they may not have been born or loved long enough if te leaf village was not created and if HASHIRAMA did not establish peace!

What are you talking about sides and surrendering?

No other shinobi could bring peace because nobody else is as boss as HASHIRAMA


This ENTIRE ARGUMET you and the others have been on te defenses the while time defending tobirama. You can barely say 3 things bad about HASHIRAMA
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That is like A robber being in your house but you forget to pick up your kid from baseball practice! Handle the issue at hand!
I don't, I can't, what?
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You gotta read the whole thing

Saskue is the robber
Madara is picking up your kid

Handled te issue at hand

Your son can wait! Defeat the enemy so your son has a home to come back to!

Don't leae the robber to do what he pleases
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Well you know what I mean! I made my point lolz
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You gotta read the whole thing

Saskue is the robber
Madara is picking up your kid

Handled te issue at hand

Your son can wait! Defeat the enemy so your son has a home to come back to!

Don't leae the robber to do what he pleases
A confused young teenager who wants to ask some questions, also three of the strongest people who've ever lived are there, not to mention the village guards, or the mentally unstable guy who has no qualms about sadistic torture of enemies is threatening the majority of ninjas and is going to ensnare the world. Your god Hashirama has Sasuke and his gang of miscreants handled, so why is Tobirama needed. Terrible analogy again save your house over your son.
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3 out of the 4 hokages were being controlled. You do realize that only Hashirama was free from Edo Tensi right?
Tobirama FAILED anyway. As soon as he started to bee a bada$$ and escaped Oro stopped him in his tracks!

As always Tobirama supporters are defending Tobirama! There are soo many things against Tobirama (at least questionable or contervisal things about him) but there is barely 1 against Hashirama

You and I both know that there are barely any guards and the "guards" would barely take taka. So its really Hashirma vs edo hokages n Taka

Please tell me 1-3 things that Hashirama did wrong! The only thing you guys have been saying is that he is soft. But for him being soft
-leaf village was created
-Peace was made and war ended
Not to shabby for a softie
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Allowed Madara to do whatever he want while he was apart of the village (i.e. Onoki's flashback)
Used strength to intimidate other ninja villages rather than fostering stable relations. (i.e. same flashback)
Allowed Madara to attack the village several times (said so himself)
Constantly put his friendship above the needs of the village
He didn't end war he forced the others ninjas to get more organized before they could go to war again
Also, that little gem of giving villages their own beasts so they would all be equal, thus ensuring a cycle of death and torment in every village for a hundred years.
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Allowed Madara to do whatever he want while he was apart of the village (i.e. Onoki's flashback)
Used strength to intimidate other ninja villages rather than fostering stable relations. (i.e. same flashback)
That falls under being soft but Hashirama did not know Madara did that. Madara was the one to use power but like I said Hashirama finished off Madara so he took care of the problem
Allowed Madara to attack the village several times (said so himself)
Yes Madara did attack the village but Hashirama protected it from harm without fail. Even when Kakazu attacked Hashirama protected the village. Nobody was harmed from Madara's attack. Hashirama took him on alone 1v1 as always. What is the problem here? Hashirama took care of it everytime and when the time came Hashirama FINISHED HIM
Constantly put his friendship above the needs of the village
He didn't end war he forced the others ninjas to get more organized before they could go to war again
Are you seriously gonna to say that the alternative was better?
Thanks to Hashirama village system
-kids got to live to learn the taste of alchol
-clans could be friends
-people lived longer
-people were happier and safer
-clans intergrated to make babies (i.e. NARUTO was born)
You and I both know the village system was better than an all out constant war. It was peaceful even for a moment.
On the other hand Tobirama could not keep the peace
Also, that little gem of giving villages their own beasts so they would all be equal, thus ensuring a cycle of death and torment in every village for a hundred years.
But it also caused peace for a time being. Hashirama could not keep all the beast in the village at once. Tobirama could not handled all of them. The village would be in constant danger. And Hashirama took the bijju before the other villages could.
I will be the FIRST to say Hashirama is not perfect but he owns up to when he did wrong
(UNLIKE TOBIRAMA)

He knew he was too soft but he handled the problem himself without getting anyone else involved by "killing madara"

As everything nothing is perfect but the village system is better than the alternative than Tobirama wanting not to make peace with the Uchiha and having constant war

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