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Old 04-29-2013, 12:21 AM   #21
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YOu also forget Ichgo's Bankai ability is also speed. Since this would be the NEW bankai that fought Ginjo, We have seen the power he weilds not. He is much fatser... Naruto can spame 3, but he can go high into the air and left or right.

All he needs to do is say, "BANKAI!" done he is in the form and can react.

iifc this form is a mixed form of Hollow and Shingami.

Go loo kback, Just in Shikai he busted out one of the biggest if not the second biggest GT we have seen. In Shikai.

Ichigo even showed his true bankai speed. He was able to make about 10 AI around him in a 10 foot radius. That is fast enough to evade a TBB. And they are not good to say mountain size. They really are not that big, A mountain can be huge to small. So to say that is very Broad and vague.

He with no effort stopped Ginjos gay blast with his hand. and in less then a second cut him before he could react.
The distance helps Naruto more so then it does Ichigo. Guys its one or the other, as there is no way Ichigo will be swinging out GT's anywhere near the level of FGT or below while dodging nukes lol.

He also has to say "Tensa Zangetsu" But thats irrelevant as your point still stands.

Pretty sure it wasin't done effortlessly.

Naruto chapter 571, Page 3 give or take. Those are massive explosions far beyond anything shown in from the Bleachverse.

You don't seem to be comprehending the AOE of a TBB.

Ginjo really didin't show much high tier feats so I don't know how thats supposed to help your case, We already knew Ichigo could do that before the Xcution arc even began when we saw him slap Aizen's full power Kurohitsugi.

Ginjo was at best mid tier and therefore not a good show of Ichigo's speed in the slightest.
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No, I'm saying its the same as creating images.......which is exactly what clone jutsu is. Thats done via speed.
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Even a 10 year olds in Naruto can make bunshin...you're saying they're fast enough to make after images?
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Yes, thats the basic effect of Clone Jutsu lol. Even when taken logically thats the only way thats even possible without it being a genjutsu or made of chakra. We've also never seen more then 3-5 clones by anyone come to think of it.
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The distance helps Naruto more so then it does Ichigo. Guys its one or the other, as there is no way Ichigo will be swinging out GT's anywhere near the level of FGT or below while dodging nukes lol.

He also has to say "Tensa Zangetsu" But thats irrelevant as your point still stands.

Pretty sure it wasin't done effortlessly.

Naruto chapter 571, Page 3 give or take. Those are massive explosions far beyond anything shown in from the Bleachverse.

You don't seem to be comprehending the AOE of a TBB.

Ginjo really didin't show much high tier feats so I don't know how thats supposed to help your case, We already knew Ichigo could do that before the Xcution arc even began when we saw him slap Aizen's full power Kurohitsugi.

Ginjo was at best mid tier and therefore not a good show of Ichigo's speed in the slightest.

I couldn't help but laugh seeing Naruto kill Ichigo because he is all calm then goes, "Tensa Zangetsu.." Then shocked eyes as he is blasted.. I hope my stitches didn't open. XD
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Anyways You are using the logic of a TBB explosion, Look at 571 page 2.. Those balls are not that huge. When they explode? Sure... but they have to hit, so if they are mountain size EXPLOSION then it would be a bit harder... but they have to hit... Uness Naruto middle shoots the ground.... Soo that seems like a bad point to use. If they come to Ichigo, they are not that big and can be easly dodged.
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Ichigo in base is not fast at all

Base would either mean, base Soul Reaper or Fullbring form in Ichigo's case, both of which are incredibly slow in Narutoverse standards where every damn shinobi can vanish from the focused eye effortlessly.

Narutoverse speed is downplayed while Bleachverse speed is wanked to no end. With both starting in base, Naruto actually has a chance.

It would take just as much time if not less to enter BM mode then Ichigo activating Bankai btw.

Also, look at the start distance >.>

Just enough time for Naruto to bomb his ass.
Even fodder shinigami can do that. Hell even people like chad /fullbringers can do. The thing is its not special in bleach at all. Everyone in bleach have been doing that since before the SS arc and are still doing it now.

A getsuga tenshou should come out a thousand times faster then a TBB.

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Sakura can as well if you take into account the standard clone jutsu which doesin't leave a shadow or is actually tangible.

Its pretty much the same thing as its not classified as Genjutsu nor is it composed of chakra like a Shadow clone is.

Looking at it that way, Naruto is massively faster then Ichigo >.>
lolno.

Clones are not afterimages and dont have anything to do with speed.
Otherwise the wouldnt be any handseals required for them if they could just 'run around' and make them.

Massively faster? no

All naruto has are those 3-ish times he blitzed around for a bit (smacking the jinchurikis TBB , Ay, and kisame) and the rest of his fights have been easily at a normal speed. And suddenly he has near ftl speed(im exaggerating here). Nobody and i mean nobody has had trouble keeping up with narutos speed not even people like kakashi who speed wise is nothing more then a little above avarage.

Meanwhile Ichigo and everyone else in bleach have been consistently blitzing around in every fight they have been in.

Those 3 times arent even that fast/special compared to bleach standards With a little searching i could probably show you vice captains who casually shunpo the distance that naruto traveled when smacking the TBB's.(now that i think of it base aizen casually traveled that distance on multiple occasions)

Speedwise bleach trashes naruto just because they are more consistent. In everything.
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Even fodder shinigami can do that. Hell even people like chad /fullbringers can do. The thing is its not special in bleach at all. Everyone in bleach have been doing that since before the SS arc and are still doing it now.

A getsuga tenshou should come out a thousand times faster then a TBB.

Clones are not afterimages and dont have anything to do with speed.
Otherwise the wouldnt be any handseals required for them if they could just 'run around' and make them.

Massively faster? no

All naruto has are those 3-ish times he blitzed around for a bit (smacking the jinchurikis TBB , Ay, and kisame) and the rest of his fights have been easily at a normal speed. And suddenly he has near ftl speed(im exaggerating here). Nobody and i mean nobody has had trouble keeping up with narutos speed not even people like kakashi who speed wise is nothing more then a little above avarage.

Meanwhile Ichigo and everyone else in bleach have been consistently blitzing around in every fight they have been in.

Those 3 times arent even that fast/special compared to bleach standards With a little searching i could probably show you vice captains who casually shunpo the distance that naruto traveled when smacking the TBB's.(now that i think of it base aizen casually traveled that distance on multiple occasions)

Speedwise bleach trashes naruto just because they are more consistent. In everything.
Even fodder Shinobi can do that, Hell even people like Karin/ rest of crap ninja's can do. The thing is not that special in Naruto at all, everyone in Naruto has been doing that since the Mizuki arc and are still doing it now.

Shunshin is a basic ninja technique.

Yeah, wouldin't matter with a 4 football field start distance.

Then care to explain what the hell they are if they aren't made of chakra nor are a genjutsu? We have seen Sakura weave handseals just to speed herself up slightly. Theres only more proof showing that its speed based rather then anything else.

All of that speed doesin't mean much when Naruto has enough time to enter BM and toss 3 mountain wiping nukes. Funny thing is, he can still create clones
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Bleach speed is exaggerated preposterously.
Most ninja in Naruto can just reappear somewhere almost instantaneously, hello most can teleport basically.
If Naruto goes BM then I don't see Ichigo winning this in all honesty.
Naruto makes clones before hand, and can also have clones moulding senjutsu chakra.
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You were the one who implied vanishing from sight was something special.
Your little satire/ edited version of my post is only repeating what you said earlier.

Its a fiction the clones do not need a explanation theyre clones thats it. If there were created by solely speed they wouldve been called after images which is what every other shounen calls them but no they are clones. Not after images.

I just said speedwise not nukewise.
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Come talk when Ichigo dodges blasts that goes coast to coast in seconds. Man why am I always the one defending this series. I like Naruto but it is not even in my all time favorites series category. But the downplay it gets is crazy. Especially from bleach fans.
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You were the one who implied vanishing from sight was something special.
Your little satire/ edited version of my post is only repeating what you said earlier.

Its a fiction the clones do not need a explanation theyre clones thats it. If there were created by solely speed they wouldve been called after images which is what every other shounen calls them but no they are clones. Not after images.

I just said speedwise not nukewise.
The main point being that Narutoverse speed is downplayed while Bleachverse speed is exaggerated? If you understood that, then I don't see how your still using speed as a deciding factor for this fight when 1. Naruto characters in general have shown the same speed as Bleach characters. Shunshin=Shunpo and even then Not all Bleach characters can do that.

In a debate, they need as close to an explanation as possible. We have seen that Sharingan is used to find out who is the real opponent among clones as the clones are not composed of chakra. Its not classified as genjutsu so thats out of the picture as well. What we "do" know is that the clones are not tangible which only further implies that its done via speed. Clone jutsu would just be a name. Shunshin is not called Shunpo yet is pretty much the same thing. In fact in the Bleachverse alone they have different names for what everyone would refer to as "Flashstep"

Sonido, Flashstep, Hirenkyaku, and lastly Light Bringer are all Flashstep variants that have the exact same effect.
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Conditions: None they ALL start in basic.

Distance: 4 foot ball fields away.

Knowledge: None

Location: Final Bankai Ichigo vs Monster Aizen Soul Sociaty Battlegrounds.

I know some have done it in the past, but this is for the current feats. I would love to know the truth. I am on a tettertaddot at the moment. Who wins?
By base form, I'm assuming that this is Post-Timeskip Shikai Ichigo, and not Ichigo in his human body. All I can say is that Naruto is easily safe from a speedblitz given the distance (which is like what? 400 meters?). He has plenty of time to get into his BM form and from that point on, Current Ichigo's chances of winning are none.

So the only way for Ichigo to win is either you restrict his BM form or you nerf the distance to something like 10 meters.
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if ichigo can enter bankai naruto will have a hard time. hollow mask will anilate him.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:04 PM   #35
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if ichigo can enter bankai naruto will have a hard time. hollow mask will anilate him.
This is Current Ichigo.
Ichigo's best feats at this time is
1. Blut Vene durability withstanding Juha Bach's sword strikes
2. A Getsuga Tensho that was able to inflict low-moderate damage to Bach (especially his left arm), same Bach who is on par with Yamamoto.
3. Able to react to and parry off Juha Bach

Good enough feats to beat down KCM/SM/Base Naruto. Not good enough to remotely compete with BM naruto.
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Bach wrecked on yamato. also you have to compare his other feats vs grimmjow, ulquiorra, and aizen.
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Bach wrecked on yamato.
After he had stolen his Bankai when he tried to activate it again, reverting him back to base, despite having had exhausted a large amount of his power and time while using Bankai in the first place, because he was going all-out on someone who he thought was Juha Bach. Plus having been burned by his own Bankai meant that his body durability was weakened. Not to mention that Yamamoto had lost his arm, which like Grimmjow, meant a significant drop in power. Oh yeah and the fact that Yamamoto just stood there, taking the slash head-on, as a result from his will to fight wavering.

Bach would have been the one destroyed if he did not had the medallion or Vollstandig, and Yamamoto was at full throttle.

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Yeah, but those weren't his best feats. His performance against someone who's stronger than anyone of them while at a severely worn-out state is much better.
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Current Ichigo's Bankai is a mixed of Hollow. BTW.

ANyways all you guys say is a Nuke sized TBB.. .YEa WHEN THEY EXPLODE. If they fly at him they are not that biug. 4X the size of a wrecking ball. Ichigo can FS that with no effort.
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The main point being that Narutoverse speed is downplayed while Bleachverse speed is exaggerated? If you understood that, then I don't see how your still using speed as a deciding factor for this fight when 1. Naruto characters in general have shown the same speed as Bleach characters. Shunshin=Shunpo and even then Not all Bleach characters can do that.

In a debate, they need as close to an explanation as possible. We have seen that Sharingan is used to find out who is the real opponent among clones as the clones are not composed of chakra. Its not classified as genjutsu so thats out of the picture as well. What we "do" know is that the clones are not tangible which only further implies that its done via speed. Clone jutsu would just be a name. Shunshin is not called Shunpo yet is pretty much the same thing. In fact in the Bleachverse alone they have different names for what everyone would refer to as "Flashstep"

Sonido, Flashstep, Hirenkyaku, and lastly Light Bringer are all Flashstep variants that have the exact same effect.
No my main point is that shinobi vanishing from the eye is not special in both verses so the initial statement you made is redundant.

About the clones iruka at the end of the first chapter implies they are illusions as iruka comments when naruto used kage bunshin 'He really did divide into more then a thousand, each was a real body and not an illusion'
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No my main point is that shinobi vanishing from the eye is not special in both verses so the initial statement you made is redundant.

About the clones iruka at the end of the first chapter implies they are illusions as iruka comments when naruto used kage bunshin 'He really did divide into more then a thousand, each was a real body and not an illusion'
Hence the ">.>". Even I thought that statement was ridiculous. If you were reffering to my statement about Sakura being on par with Ichigo via clone jutsu that is. That was an attempt to portray the idea that Narutoverse and Bleachverse are not that far apart when it comes to speed. None of them were dodging bullets at point blank at the least.

Exactly. An illusion can be created via speed. Its merely a distortion of the visual senses. That does not prove that they are genjutsu nor composed of chakra, but quite the opposite.

Illusion: "a misleading image presented to the vision" Taken from dictionary
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