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Old 04-22-2013, 01:18 AM   #1
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So there I was on Youtube and in the comments page of a video
there had been some users having a debate that was pretty much
about how awesome the U.S is vs how awesome Europe is.

One guy from Norway was all like...

America lost Vietnam and has a huge amount of debt.
With the implied argument that America sucks.

I pointed out that America withdrew from Vietnam because
it wasn't worth the cost and that the reason America
is in such huge debt is because of all the wars we're fighting.

Now I don't have anything against Norway but let's pretend
that instead of the U.S in Vietnam or hell even Iraq how
well do you think the Norwegian military would fare?
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According to Aftenposten, the Norwegian Army base at Meymaneh was amongst the least secure bases in Afghanistan at one point. Meymaneh is located in northwestern Afghanistan, which has become increasingly restless in recent years. Both the military and political heads of the armed forces agreed about the weakened state of the base. When the Norwegian Army was asked what they needed to defend their position, they asked for 120 troops and long-range weapons. They also requested a mobile reaction force, so that allies in the region could assist each other if they came under heavy attack.

Yeah, these guys got a bad ass military.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:40 AM   #3
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According to Aftenposten, the Norwegian Army base at Meymaneh was amongst the least secure bases in Afghanistan at one point. Meymaneh is located in northwestern Afghanistan, which has become increasingly restless in recent years. Both the military and political heads of the armed forces agreed about the weakened state of the base. When the Norwegian Army was asked what they needed to defend their position, they asked for 120 troops and long-range weapons. They also requested a mobile reaction force, so that allies in the region could assist each other if they came under heavy attack.

Yeah, these guys got a bad ass military.
The funny thing is whenever Europeans want to talk about how
awesome they are they act like Europe is one big country
rather than realize that the reason why European countries
pretty much always band up together--is because they kinda have to.
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Checkmate, history never lies.
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Checkmate, history never lies.
Another funny thing...

The U.S wasn't really a superpower until AFTER WW2.

Of course the U.S didn't beat Germany by itself that's just plain silly.
But it's equally silly to deny the importance of America in Europe.

Could Russia beat Germany?

It's possible but it was tough enough even WITH U.S help
(by help I mean the fact that Germany fought a two front war---
funny how they didn't learn not to do that from WW1)

Also...

Is it just me or does it seem like...

America saves Frances butt.

French people hate America.

America (granted with USSR help) kicks Germany's butt.

America and Germany are like best buddies.

Over course it's a generalization.
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I don't get it Viet Nam IIRC was entirely a French blunder of catastrophic proportions and the following war came because the US made the mistake of following European advice...what the hell are they talking about?

you might have been debating with Ninja of Cao on youtube that lunatic is insane enough to think Northern Europe is the moral paragon the US should follow

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Another funny thing...

The U.S wasn't really a superpower until AFTER WW2.[
it was..sort of the defacto big boy second only to the British Empire and maaaybbe the French and Germans..to be fair from after the civil war until the great depression

that may not be Super power status but for about a hundred years prior to the second world war every major nation in the world was saying "listen when they have their bitchfest over slavery we need to do everything humanly possible to undermine the Unions victory..because when they win and they surely will the US is going to emerge a much more unified and stable nation and they're going to start moving..and nobodies gonna be able to stop them"

Hell some French political minds were saying this as far back as the 1780's

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Of course the U.S didn't beat Germany by itself that's just plain silly.
But it's equally silly to deny the importance of America in Europe.
you can't deny it
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Could Russia beat Germany?

It's possible but it was tough enough even WITH U.S help
(by help I mean the fact that Germany fought a two front war---
funny how they didn't learn not to do that from WW1)
I highly doubt Russia could beat Germany honestly..or rather the sheer cost in human lives and resources would mean any victory was a victory in name only..and the reality of the situation would likely mean the total collapse of the USSR and the Nazi party still lingering in some fashion and with England..and France now struggling in Asia against Japan and their soon to be nationalist and the Communist Chinese forces it would be global anarchy for a long, long time


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France saves America during the revolutionary war then spends eighty years trying to screw it over at every opportunity

really they were just as bad as England in this regard..

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French people hate America.
aside from post revolution brotherhood and all that they've always had a lukewarm to outright bigoted take on Americans..through out history
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America (granted with USSR help) kicks Germany's butt.

America and Germany are like best buddies.
Because European powers are legendary for viciously humiliating one another and exacting horrific post war reparations and demands..(well no England could be nice about this stuff) which tends to create a vicious cycle

the US wasn't looking to hurt the German people they were interesting in punishing the german people for allowing things like the holocaust and the like..same as with the Japanese as soon as the phase of "justice" was over they were interested in propping up preposterous business partners and one needs a certain amount of good will in the population for that

major difference in styles basically

but to answer the OP- Norway would epic fail the Viet Nam war and do much, much worse than America did in every single field including the hilarious botching of the South Vietnamese governments
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I don't get it Viet Nam IIRC was entirely a French blunder of catastrophic proportions and the following war came because the US made the mistake of following European advice...what the hell are they talking about?

I think they were just being bitter.

you might have been debating with Ninja of Cao on youtube that lunatic is insane enough to think Northern Europe is the moral paragon the US should follow

Nah, it was someone else. Ninja of Cao's antics are much more fun.

it was..sort of the defacto big boy second only to the British Empire and maaaybbe the French and Germans..to be fair from after the civil war until the great depression

I think because some Europeans see Americans as arrogant
they probably try to minimize America as much as they can.

that may not be Super power status but for about a hundred years prior to the second world war every major nation in the world was saying "listen when they have their bitchfest over slavery we need to do everything humanly possible to undermine the Unions victory..because when they win and they surely will the US is going to emerge a much more unified and stable nation and they're going to start moving..and nobodies gonna be able to stop them"

Is that way the British had helped the Confederates?

Hell some French political minds were saying this as far back as the 1780's

That's something.

you can't deny it

Nope.

I highly doubt Russia could beat Germany honestly..or rather the sheer cost in human lives and resources would mean any victory was a victory in name only..and the reality of the situation would likely mean the total collapse of the USSR and the Nazi party still lingering in some fashion and with England..and France now struggling in Asia against Japan and their soon to be nationalist and the Communist Chinese forces it would be global anarchy for a long, long time

It's funny. While some Europeans think we give America a lot of
credit they do just the same to the Soviet Union. Though seeing
a lot of these countries are socialist...it's not surprising.


France saves America during the revolutionary war then spends eighty years trying to screw it over at every opportunity

really they were just as bad as England in this regard..

I don't think I knew that. When did France do all that?

aside from post revolution brotherhood and all that they've always had a lukewarm to outright bigoted take on Americans..through out history

I think that was more a mutual hatred for the British.


Because European powers are legendary for viciously humiliating one another and exacting horrific post war reparations and demands..(well no England could be nice about this stuff) which tends to create a vicious cycle

Would the Weimar Republic be an example of this?

the US wasn't looking to hurt the German people they were interesting in punishing the german people for allowing things like the holocaust and the like..same as with the Japanese as soon as the phase of "justice" was over they were interested in propping up preposterous business partners and one needs a certain amount of good will in the population for that

As much as the U.S is called a bully I seriously doubt any
European country would act any "nicer". Though I imagine
that's what all those years of war does to a people.

major difference in styles basically

but to answer the OP- Norway would epic fail the Viet Nam war and do much, much worse than America did in every single field including the hilarious botching of the South Vietnamese governments
hilarious botching? My curiosity is piqued.
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The French were pivotal and instrumental during nearly every aspect of the Revolutionary war. The Patriot film is not how things went down, is what IWD is probably getting at. It wasn't just ships they provided. Honestly, Washington was a terrible general. He had that Apocalypse Now DuVall survivability thing going for him, but he basically lost everything he was involved in. We needed the French desperately.

As for Norway, not on their own, no. I'd say more a question of resources and manpower, but not necessarily soldiering ability. Those Nordic dudes need fighting prowess like Norris needs memes.

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hilarious botching? My curiosity is piqued.
they appointed a pack of useless buffoons who were corrupt as hell and in bed with all manner of drug dealers and criminals, and some of them were left overs from the "hey the Chinese version of Nazism they got going over in Formosa now that mao kicked them out of China looks pretty good" some of them may have been legit expat Chinese nationalists

then Europe would make treaties decisions and stuff regarding Viet Nam while completely ignoring said cronies state and the average Vietnamese was naturally beyond furious and started sympathizing with the communists, LBJ being kind of a bone head with good intentions followed their lead and so did Nixon for a bit then when he realized how bad that was and tried to make up for it was too late

this resulted in incredibly corrupt southern leadership and the good generals and commanders being ignored or marginalized often times and of course made it very hard to maintain friendly ties in the south

essentially they gave Nam its freedom and then treated them like a fuedal vassal state and were so overtly snotty about it that it blew up any chances anyone had of making any headways into the area..then they had the nerve to ask the US to bail them out of it then lecture them on how they were being needlessly cruel to the NV forces when it was entirely their fault to begin with

not to mention they kept demanding the US fully invade the north which would have resulted in open war with China in an era when turning them away form the Soviets was crucial to ending the cold war

it was just mind numbing arrogance on the part of France, and the NATO powers..mind numbing last century thinking and a healthy dose of bigotry

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I think because some Europeans see Americans as arrogant
they probably try to minimize America as much as they can.
oh Europeans think Americans are arrogant? That's hilarious

and naw it isn't about that, its just as a collective they're all very glad that its someone elses time in the sun and everyone is scrutinizing the new top Banana

its a much needed relief from all the flack they rightly get from causing four god damn world wars..and everything else

but I doubt Europe genuinely wants to see America fall the next big dog would be India or Japan or Australia and that'd probably be a lot worse

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Is that way the British had helped the Confederates?
why else would a nation who was willing to commit armies and resources to policing the slave trade in the Atlantic while still recovering from a rather apocalyptic war with France and dealing with massive rebellions in India ally itself with a nation who's entire existence was because of a refusal to stop owning other human beings?

it was all about undermining the US, the only nations that genuinely cared about Americans well being and really helped them were The Russian Empire and China..and its sad because they US turned around and screwed China over almost fifteen years later..and they more or less let Russia drown in revolution when they had been extremely almost fantastically caring for the US

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That's something.
I forget his name at the moment as soon as I remember I'll link his wiki profile here but basically he was pretty much a very respected academic and yeah he was convinced the US was going to be the biggest power in the world as soon as they fully unified the country and a lot of people took him very seriously and started making moves to stop it

a Prussian General remarked that "If India were to ever gain her independence or Argentina then in union with America we would be facing three great and titanic powers that we could never hope to stop"

he was obviously wrong about Argentine but about India...not so sure

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It's funny. While some Europeans think we give America a lot of
credit they do just the same to the Soviet Union. Though seeing
a lot of these countries are socialist...it's not surprising.
to be fair to the Russian people their blood sacrifices held back the tide long enough for America to enter and be the difference maker and they own that but to be fair

it was Englands sheer guts and refusal to fall no matter how much Hitler threw at them, and the sacrifices of the Chinese and Korean people as much as Russia they all deserve as much credit..England perhaps more so

then of course there is no denying the huge decisive impact the US had on that war downplaying that is stupid

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I don't think I knew that. When did France do all that?
the undeclared war with France, them financing covertly paying the Barbary states an extra incentive to attack American shipping to name a few

to be fair..to France and England both, a lot of the founding Fathers and their generation of colonists were more or less responsible for the events that triggered the seven years war which was essentially the first global war in history and was a total mess for everyone

and the colonials response to being asked to pay a bit more taxes to help pay off the war debt that was partially their fault..was "screw you guys we're rebelling"

so I sorta understand their bitterness in the beginning.. the rest is just politic playing cold war style tactics

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ah yes, yes indeed

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If nine eleven happened to the British Empire at its height..or the French

there wouldn't be an Afghanistan anymore

that's the difference between how Europe handles foreign polcy and how the US and its other former colonies do

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The French were pivotal and instrumental during nearly every aspect of the Revolutionary war. The Patriot film is not how things went down, is what IWD is probably getting at. It wasn't just ships they provided. Honestly, Washington was a terrible general. He had that Apocalypse Now DuVall survivability thing going for him, but he basically lost everything he was involved in. We needed the French desperately.
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pretty much what Kreegah said and is so good to see you posting again my friend

but I'd say be nicer to George he was better than Gates and Washington knew how to lose battles in a way that meant that the victories were more a hindrance than a boon he was also facing something like 60% of the colonial population either being coolly neutral or loyalist..so the guy was in trouble pretty much constantly

he wasn't as great a General as everyone says but he was good at turning short term defeats into long term victories

but yeah Tricky what Kreegah says is true Washington being this diet version of Bonaparte is a myth the greatest Generals of the war on the patriots side were Ethan Allen and Nathaniel Greene and Benedict Arnold

without Greene nothing anybody did would matter and IIRC he was the one fighting Cornwallace which meant he took on arguably one of the greatest generals in the world at the time and continuously turned every Victory Corny got into a Defeat with the wrong name attached and harassed him so badly it delayed any advance north until it lost all meaning

Washingtons achievements can't be denied but he wasn't the best just a slick adaptive leader and a great inspiration for the men and he was also smart enough not to screw with Allen and got a long with him unlike that retard Gates who essentially is single handedly responsible for Anrolds defection and losing one of the best commanders of the war
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they appointed a pack of useless buffoons who were corrupt as hell and in bed with all manner of drug dealers and criminals, and some of them were left overs from the "hey the Chinese version of Nazism they got going over in Formosa now that mao kicked them out of China looks pretty good" some of them may have been legit expat Chinese nationalists

then Europe would make treaties decisions and stuff regarding Viet Nam while completely ignoring said cronies state and the average Vietnamese was naturally beyond furious and started sympathizing with the communists, LBJ being kind of a bone head with good intentions followed their lead and so did Nixon for a bit then when he realized how bad that was and tried to make up for it was too late

this resulted in incredibly corrupt southern leadership and the good generals and commanders being ignored or marginalized often times and of course made it very hard to maintain friendly ties in the south

essentially they gave Nam its freedom and then treated them like a fuedal vassal state and were so overtly snotty about it that it blew up any chances anyone had of making any headways into the area..then they had the nerve to ask the US to bail them out of it then lecture them on how they were being needlessly cruel to the NV forces when it was entirely their fault to begin with

not to mention they kept demanding the US fully invade the north which would have resulted in open war with China in an era when turning them away form the Soviets was crucial to ending the cold war

it was just mind numbing arrogance on the part of France, and the NATO powers..mind numbing last century thinking and a healthy dose of bigotry



this is so true



oh Europeans think Americans are arrogant? That's hilarious

and naw it isn't about that, its just as a collective they're all very glad that its someone elses time in the sun and everyone is scrutinizing the new top Banana

its a much needed relief from all the flack they rightly get from causing four god damn world wars..and everything else

but I doubt Europe genuinely wants to see America fall the next big dog would be India or Japan or Australia and that'd probably be a lot worse



why else would a nation who was willing to commit armies and resources to policing the slave trade in the Atlantic while still recovering from a rather apocalyptic war with France and dealing with massive rebellions in India ally itself with a nation who's entire existence was because of a refusal to stop owning other human beings?

it was all about undermining the US, the only nations that genuinely cared about Americans well being and really helped them were The Russian Empire and China..and its sad because they US turned around and screwed China over almost fifteen years later..and they more or less let Russia drown in revolution when they had been extremely almost fantastically caring for the US



I forget his name at the moment as soon as I remember I'll link his wiki profile here but basically he was pretty much a very respected academic and yeah he was convinced the US was going to be the biggest power in the world as soon as they fully unified the country and a lot of people took him very seriously and started making moves to stop it

a Prussian General remarked that "If India were to ever gain her independence or Argentina then in union with America we would be facing three great and titanic powers that we could never hope to stop"

he was obviously wrong about Argentine but about India...not so sure



to be fair to the Russian people their blood sacrifices held back the tide long enough for America to enter and be the difference maker and they own that but to be fair

it was Englands sheer guts and refusal to fall no matter how much Hitler threw at them, and the sacrifices of the Chinese and Korean people as much as Russia they all deserve as much credit..England perhaps more so

then of course there is no denying the huge decisive impact the US had on that war downplaying that is stupid



the undeclared war with France, them financing covertly paying the Barbary states an extra incentive to attack American shipping to name a few

to be fair..to France and England both, a lot of the founding Fathers and their generation of colonists were more or less responsible for the events that triggered the seven years war which was essentially the first global war in history and was a total mess for everyone

and the colonials response to being asked to pay a bit more taxes to help pay off the war debt that was partially their fault..was "screw you guys we're rebelling"

so I sorta understand their bitterness in the beginning.. the rest is just politic playing cold war style tactics



ah yes, yes indeed









If nine eleven happened to the British Empire at its height..or the French

there wouldn't be an Afghanistan anymore

that's the difference between how Europe handles foreign polcy and how the US and its other former colonies do



pretty much what Kreegah said and is so good to see you posting again my friend

but I'd say be nicer to George he was better than Gates and Washington knew how to lose battles in a way that meant that the victories were more a hindrance than a boon he was also facing something like 60% of the colonial population either being coolly neutral or loyalist..so the guy was in trouble pretty much constantly

he wasn't as great a General as everyone says but he was good at turning short term defeats into long term victories

but yeah Tricky what Kreegah says is true Washington being this diet version of Bonaparte is a myth the greatest Generals of the war on the patriots side were Ethan Allen and Nathaniel Greene and Benedict Arnold

without Greene nothing anybody did would matter and IIRC he was the one fighting Cornwallace which meant he took on arguably one of the greatest generals in the world at the time and continuously turned every Victory Corny got into a Defeat with the wrong name attached and harassed him so badly it delayed any advance north until it lost all meaning

Washingtons achievements can't be denied but he wasn't the best just a slick adaptive leader and a great inspiration for the men and he was also smart enough not to screw with Allen and got a long with him unlike that retard Gates who essentially is single handedly responsible for Anrolds defection and losing one of the best commanders of the war
Wait FOUR world wars?

Was that a typo?
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Wait FOUR world wars?

Was that a typo?
no it wasn't there have been three global scale wars the Europe is directly responsible for and one with the lions share of blame going directly to them

The Seven years war/French Indian war, the Napoleonic wars and first and second world wars
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So there I was on Youtube and in the comments page of a video
there had been some users having a debate that was pretty much
about how awesome the U.S is vs how awesome Europe is.

One guy from Norway was all like...

America lost Vietnam and has a huge amount of debt.
With the implied argument that America sucks.

I pointed out that America withdrew from Vietnam because
it wasn't worth the cost and that the reason America
is in such huge debt is because of all the wars we're fighting.

Now I don't have anything against Norway but let's pretend
that instead of the U.S in Vietnam or hell even Iraq how
well do you think the Norwegian military would fare?
First of all, Norway wouldn't be stupid or greedy enough to invade a country over some crazy theory or for the profit of private corporations. Especially in a country where the civil population would be hostile to an invading force 98% of the population in Vietnam was against the government the US backed).

Second, Norway does have special forces working side by side with the Delta Force. In fact, the norwegian special forces undergoes very similar training to US Navy Seals (in fact, part of the Seal training often takes part in Norway, and norwegian special forces train in the US). In quantity, it's obvious that a small country can't even compare to the US, but in quality, they aren't behind at all.
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First of all, Norway wouldn't be stupid or greedy enough to invade a country over some crazy theory or for the profit of private corporations. Especially in a country where the civil population would be hostile to an invading force 98% of the population in Vietnam was against the government the US backed).

Second, Norway does have special forces working side by side with the Delta Force. In fact, the norwegian special forces undergoes very similar training to US Navy Seals (in fact, part of the Seal training often takes part in Norway, and norwegian special forces train in the US). In quantity, it's obvious that a small country can't even compare to the US, but in quality, they aren't behind at all.
According to Aftenposten, the Norwegian Army base at Meymaneh was amongst the least secure bases in Afghanistan at one point. Meymaneh is located in northwestern Afghanistan, which has become increasingly restless in recent years. Both the military and political heads of the armed forces agreed about the weakened state of the base. When the Norwegian Army was asked what they needed to defend their position, they asked for 120 troops and long-range weapons. They also requested a mobile reaction force, so that allies in the region could assist each other if they came under heavy attack.
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According to Aftenposten, the Norwegian Army base at Meymaneh was amongst the least secure bases in Afghanistan at one point. Meymaneh is located in northwestern Afghanistan, which has become increasingly restless in recent years. Both the military and political heads of the armed forces agreed about the weakened state of the base. When the Norwegian Army was asked what they needed to defend their position, they asked for 120 troops and long-range weapons. They also requested a mobile reaction force, so that allies in the region could assist each other if they came under heavy attack.
Great, copy paste of a previous post that didn't even consider the facts...

They were there as part of the NATO's effort to reconstruct Afghanistan after the mess the US made. If you look it up, the base was a PRT base, not an army base. You will find that a PRT differs significantly from a normal "army": "A PRT in Afghanistan is commanded by a military officer, generally of the rank of Lieutenant Colonel or Commander. The officer is supported by a team of various specialties including civil affairs, engineers, medical staff, public affairs, information operations, logistics and a platoon of National Guard soldiers for security. The staff generally numbers between sixty and one hundred persons."(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provin...struction_Team)
It's natural that a base is not very secure when it only has a platoon (30-40 soldiers) defending it, compared to entire battalions in some of the larger combat bases.
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Damn, what a bad ass military Norway has.
They do, in one operation, the weak Navy Seals had to be evacuated due to altitude sickness. The Norwegians were fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejegerkommandoen
And even from a US admiral: "William H. McRaven, a United States Navy Admiral who previously served as the commander of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), said in an interview with a Norwegian newspaper in 2007 that he regarded the Special Operations Forces of Norway to be among the top special forces in the world[...]"
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but yeaaah...Norway has had some moments to shine militarily in the middle east plus they trolled an arrogant US Admiral in a war game in a pretty spectacular manner. the French and British troops are still way above them though

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I had a feeling it wasn't a typo.

Though weren't those just continental in scope?
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The vast majority of Europe relies on the US military. Much of our defense spending is one big subsidy to the rest of the world.

Not that it would be a good idea to remove it, but Norway's military sucks because ours does not.
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