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Old 04-20-2013, 09:00 AM   #1
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Default Should torture be used on Boston Marathon bomber?

New York state Sen. Greg Ball suggested using torture on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, in a tweet Friday night.
Tsarnaev was captured by authorities late Friday evening in Watertown, Mass., four days after the Boston Marathon bombing. Authorities say the suspect and his brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, killed an MIT police officer, severely wounded another lawman and hurled explosives at police in a car chase and gun battle.

I personally agree with the Senator.. I would love to know what was going through this punks head.. do you agree?

A Justice Department official said Tsarnaev will not be read his Miranda rights, because the government is invoking a public safety exception. The AP reports:
That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly. The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.



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Old 04-20-2013, 09:07 AM   #2
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No.

The reasons for torturing him seem more like vendetta more than anything else. There's no reason to torture him. Other than finding out if he was some sort of missionary deployed by a group or government, torturing him would just be unprofessional. From what I've heard so far, there's no information that needs to be extrapolated from this man. He's sick and needs to be shackled up and thrown in prison like every other criminal. There are a list of things that need to be investigated before they torture this guy. What about the guy who ran the Invisible Children support thing for people captured by Kony, which is supposedly a farce? How about spending our time and resources on figuring out a solution to our extreme debt?

It would be immature and futile to torture this guy without any goals of getting information out of him. Unfortunately, knowing the US government and the tendencies of our government leaders, they will likely create a list of bullshit things to push out to the media to satisfy our needs.
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Don't you think that if the shoe was on the other foot that torture would be used? I think there is more to this than just 2 brothers having sick minds and bombing innocent people. I'm convinced there were probably others involved and if they don't force it out of this sicko, we will not know until more innocent lives are lost. Not like we would ever know if they tortured him or not, the government will find ways of hiding it anyway, but I wouldn't be against it in this case.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:14 AM   #4
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Don't you think that they would've had the resources to do more damage than they did if there happen to be an entire group of people behind this act? If there were really a cult or something behind this, the damage could've been parallel to the caliber of the bombings on 9/11.

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Old 04-20-2013, 09:28 AM   #5
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My thoughts are pretty much the same as Shika's.

Whether or not torture would have been used in another country doesn't mean it is necessary to use it here.
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Don't you think that they would've have the resources to do more damage than they did if there happen to be an entire group of people behind this act? If there were really a cult or something behind this, the damage could've been parallel to the caliber of the bombings on 9/11.
You forgot about the 1993 world trade bombing, which consisted of a whole group, forget about the failed Manhattan bomb that occurred in 2010 which consisted of a whole group funding one man. Please, I say water bored the idiot.
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Bush employed torture techniques, and it was concluded that, "There is “no firm or persuasive evidence” that the use of such techniques yielded “significant information of value.”'
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Just send him back to Russia and let Putin deal with it. ;D
Although, I find it likely that they did this on their own so there is nothing to learn, standard young Islamists.



That's incorrect, read the report. Nor were "torture techniques" used.
If you mean the Senate report, the Washington Post explains
After a contentious closed-door vote, the Senate intelligence committee approved a long-awaited report Thursday concluding that harsh interrogation measures used by the CIA did not produce significant intelligence breakthroughs, officials said.
The 6,000-page document, which was not released to the public, was adopted by Democrats over the objections of most of the committee’s Republicans. The outcome reflects the level of partisan friction that continues to surround the CIA’s use of waterboarding and other severe interrogation techniques four years after they were banned.

Only means Democrats wanted to say nothing was gained so they did. The info gained from
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was invaluable.
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Don't you think that they would've have the resources to do more damage than they did if there happen to be an entire group of people behind this act? If there were really a cult or something behind this, the damage could've been parallel to the caliber of the bombings on 9/11.
I'm not saying it was a huge group of people, just that they were more than likely not the only masterminds in this situation and they should by all means do whatever is necessary to find out if there is more to this than what meets the eye.
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My thoughts are pretty much the same as Shika's.

Whether or not torture would have been used in another country doesn't mean it is necessary to use it here.
I'm not saying what's good for the goose, I'm just saying, controlled torture is probably the only way they are going to get him to talk about any of his motives or if any others were involved. Unfortunately this guy probably doesn't care enough about being alive for torture to even work.

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You forgot about the 1993 world trade bombing, which consisted of a whole group, forget about the failed Manhattan bomb that occurred in 2010 which consisted of a whole group funding one man. Please, I say water bored the idiot.
Exactly what I was thinking of. They had to have financial backing and help to be able to pull this off.. I know they were "smart" (book smart) guys, but to pull off something like this is not an easy task especially with all the security that was there.
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I know Miss Kitty, and He may not talk. BTW This thread has nothing to do with Bush,I could bring up a few bad things Obama has done in his term as well, at least Bush was doing his job not abide to the media's every wish.
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You are right, Raiden.

Then let's go to this point. Do you really think there is anything to be gained beyond standard questions? No group claimed responsibility and the bombing certainly doesn't help the Chechnya in any way. I think these are just religious extremist that acted on their own. Pressure cooker bombs are easy to make. I assume maybe they were inspired by some radical imams, but that is about it.
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Just send him back to Russia and let Putin deal with it. ;D
Although, I find it likely that they did this on their own so there is nothing to learn, standard young Islamists.



That's incorrect, read the report. Nor were "torture techniques" used.
If you mean the Senate report, the Washington Post explains
After a contentious closed-door vote, the Senate intelligence committee approved a long-awaited report Thursday concluding that harsh interrogation measures used by the CIA did not produce significant intelligence breakthroughs, officials said.
The 6,000-page document, which was not released to the public, was adopted by Democrats over the objections of most of the committee’s Republicans. The outcome reflects the level of partisan friction that continues to surround the CIA’s use of waterboarding and other severe interrogation techniques four years after they were banned.

Only means Democrats wanted to say nothing was gained so they did. The info gained from
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was invaluable.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...d-violated-law

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...nsibility.html

@ Raiden - I wasn't making an attack on Bush, just the torture that was handed out under him. Nor did I say Obama was any better.
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@ Raiden - I wasn't making an attack on Bush, just the torture that was handed out under him. Nor did I say Obama was any better.
I will take Jose Rodriguez account over that any day.

When a group returns a report on what they already believe the findings are suspect.
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Personally, I'd leave him chained up in Boston squire and let everyone in Boston get one clean hit on him, now I'll let the FBI answer your question.

"The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups," the FBI statement said.

We need to conform if they were being funding or not, and remember, the IRA used Pipe bombs to a grate effect, bombs are bombs in the end of the day.
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That goes along with what I said. He just became an extremist, but that doesn't require any overseer. Planning isn't doing.

IRA is a well organized group. Two Islamists can be just two Islamists.
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and ignores the fact that they may have been funded *shakes head*
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Yeah, I'm sure Guns and ammo are free now and days, you right, gun powder can be found in dirt.
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Torture? What is this medieval ages? No, that's a little too harsh don't you think I mean come on just lock him up or kill him but don't torture the damn guy.
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I am not saying ask him questions, but this type of terrorism is at a different level that flying two planes in a building. There is no pressing need to gain intelligence quickly to prevent future attacks. One of them was 26-years old. At that age most people can buy anything that they had.

Edit: I don't think anyone is suggesting harming him for purely for the sake revenge. The question is should interrogation move to a level that some are squeamish with and call "torture" to sooth their inability to cope with lose-lose questions.
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