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Old 03-21-2013, 04:37 AM   #21
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is called Demonic Flute bud look it up its CRA CRA Strong

they can not surge their chakra disrupting thing flow ma bob cuz their movements are stopped due to genjutsu....get it?

It would take them to move their hands and touch the ally and then send their chakra through the ally

BUT!!!!!!!

Since as soon as they hear the jutsu they can not control their movements they can not do that. They can only move their heads
Ahh, Tayuya's technique. Shika broke it by breaking his finger with a shadow. Now pervy sage was trying to teach naruto how to break a genjutsu by himself he said there was a way by shifting his chakra i had thought. Naruto did not fully understand. While in a genjutsu i thought movements were inhibited anyway so no one inside a genjutsu should be able to move their hands to clap unless they were allowed. Thus If they've had any experience with genjutsu (Hashirama fighting Madara, the 2nd fighting madara and uchihas, after that sadly it would be assuming for the last 3, although the 3rd was pervy's teacher, so would it be wrong to assume he taught jiraya and tsunade how to break out of genjutsu alone? and if jiraya tried to teach naruto would he have not tried to teach the genius fourth also?) They should know they're within and be able to surge their chakra regardless. If even one can, then he can get his team mates although all should be able to.
As for the intangible, doesn't tobi have to bring them away and then bring them back? I'm unfamiliar with him doing it with anyone other than to transport. That being the case, It would put a hole in that portion of the plan.
My opinion on this since only the sharingan has proven otherwise,
The strength of a genjutsu seems not to matter much at all. Since the same rules apply, it goes down to who can control chakra better is what makes them the better genjutsu user.
There is no indication that a users chakra cant be surged without movement. Naruto has proven he can, Shikamaru broke his finger manipulating his shadow, that's chakra control without a handsign, Shikamaru was pretending to be asleep because he had already released himself from the sleeping feather genjutsu. This is why I don't see the genjutsu being effective.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:32 AM   #22
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The genjutsu is enhanced with senjutsu so it's much stronger than tayuya. Don't assume only the 3hk was hit with genjutsu . Not all genjutsu is the same this one stops movements. This is stronger and one if the strongest genjutsu much worse than Madara or any uchiha.
They have no feats to break out

All obito has to do is touch something to turn it intangible . He did it with saskue at the summit.

Do h get why genjutsu is the win?

-by the time they break out they are burn with Amaterasu
-it is enhanced with senjutsu
-shikamaru already activated his shadow
-naruto failed to break out only
-audio>>visual genjutsu
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this fight would be to close to call sense there are so many bad guys against good
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:03 AM   #24
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It's more good than bad

But overall they can't get past flute
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The genjutsu is enhanced with senjutsu so it's much stronger than tayuya. Don't assume only the 3hk was hit with genjutsu . Not all genjutsu is the same this one stops movements. This is stronger and one if the strongest genjutsu much worse than Madara or any uchiha.
They have no feats to break out

All obito has to do is touch something to turn it intangible . He did it with saskue at the summit.

Do h get why genjutsu is the win?

-by the time they break out they are burn with Amaterasu
-it is enhanced with senjutsu
-shikamaru already activated his shadow
-naruto failed to break out only
-audio>>visual genjutsu
Audio does not >> visual in terms of power, only effectiveness. And already activated, he HAD to control it somehow, remember? he's in a genjutsu :O and what proof that flute of tayuya is stronger than any uchiha?
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Cuz it's enhanced with senjutsu it's stroger than people wihout senjutsu
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Cuz it's enhanced with senjutsu it's stroger than people wihout senjutsu
Add the idea that because Kabuto was a medical ninja, he's more adept with chakra control in combination and I can better accept it.
Enhanced with senjutsu isn't enough for me =P

addition, doesn't explain how shika used his shadow while in a genjutsu that you cannot move and apparently not charge chakra.
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How is senjutsu not enough for you? Senjutsu increases every trait of a shinobi. That is why Naruto in SM was so much stronger. Everyone and their abilities are stronger in SM. Shikamaru already activated his shadow and was mentally controlling it. He does not need to move to control his shadow
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How is senjutsu not enough for you? Senjutsu increases every trait of a shinobi. That is why Naruto in SM was so much stronger. Everyone and their abilities are stronger in SM. Shikamaru already activated his shadow and was mentally controlling it. He does not need to move to control his shadow
Mentally controlling a shadow, from inside a genjutsu.
And you're going to tell me that someone can manipulate chakra; in the same scenario? By that logic, Hashirama should be able to draw in nature energy without clapping his hands in the same manner naruto did while restrained, since he' not moving, he's just moving chakra, just like shikamaru, moving chakra, in form of shadow.
And to top it off, nature energy, LIKE the shadow, is already in place.

As for it not being enough, Idk, kabuto's chakra control for medical ninjutsu combined with senjutsu seemed to be better than just he's a snake sage, gen automatically works.
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Hashirama has to clap his hands to go into SM but!!! He can not move. Even if he could go into SM Madara would just burn him with Amaterasu

So do you now see that genjutsu is an instant win? After genjutsu Obito and Madara attack them
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Hashirama has to clap his hands to go into SM but!!! He can not move. Even if he could go into SM Madara would just burn him with Amaterasu

So do you now see that genjutsu is an instant win? After genjutsu Obito and Madara attack them
If caught by surprise or ambush scenario then yes. I suppose my main issue is 3 vs 5 being over before it even begins. By that standard, that would make Kabutomaru + (insert name here) able to take on any opponent since this scenario is based on the genjutsu being unbroken with a kill strike before they have a chance to break it. It may be bias or deluded thinking but most battles in a naruto verse I'd expect to be epic especially considering the parties involved, not done legit ninja style with the quick K.O
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