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Old 03-09-2013, 03:47 PM   #101
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Nothing has exploded from Kishi in years.
This flashback got many somewhat reinterested again even myself.

What you said is partially relative in opinion. Its not to say you are wrong but rather its also a case of different expectations and tastes and perspectives.

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You clearly don't know how to us commas. It was a introductory clause with a list included.The usage is exactly correct. As I said, you don't know the English language very well--no need to pretend. Given that I spent a whole semester studying one of Beethoven Sonatas, I think it would be you that knows nothing at all about Beethoven. Given that you compared to him to Kishi, you have embarrassed yourself in the process.

You just agreed with my statement, again, but misunderstood it. Like nice guys; finish last. It does not mean nice guys finish last, it means being nice has nothing to do with ability. Likewise, popularity has nothing to do with quality.

Not if you understood my point. I need only one case to prove popularity is independent of quality. My illustration exemplified that point. If popularity is precisely correlated to quality, I would have no examples to offer. I did not state that nothing popular is of quality--that would be absurd. However, that does mean Naruto being popular(debatable) is irrelevant to whether it is any good.

Except it is a complete copy of Dragon Ballz, and at least that manga is consistent with it's own story. You have already admitted that Naruto is popular; thus, it has not been ignored. It's popularity is at it's peak; there will be no discovery later. The simplest reason is that manga itself has long ago reached its peak.

Given that Sticky and I have praised certain aspects, years before you were even posting here by the way, lends us credibility when we critique it now. It is bad. Those with poor taste may like it, but, in the whole, we are right.

@Zigzag: But would you quarrel that nothing has been close to the quality of Part I?
It would be unfair to compare Kishi to real literature (or musical scores ), but comparing him to other manga and even himself is more than fair.
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@Zigzag: But would you quarrel that nothing has been close to the quality of Part I?
Depends on what perspective you want to approach it from.
Perspective always changes everything.
For example I find Madara/Hashirama relationship better written than what Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke friendship attempted.
But of course thats just a smaller example.

From me, I find Part 1 overall better partially because it was smaller and more tight knit and focused.

(People tend to write better like that anyway)

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Depends on what perspective you want to approach it from.
Perspective always changes everything.
For example I find Madara/Hashirama relationship better written than what Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke friendship attempted.
But of course thats just a smaller example.

From me, I find Part 1 overall better partially because it was smaller and more tight knit and focused.

(People tend to write better like that anyway)



Well Mangas aren't certainly top notch literature.
From the is this interesting perspective.

That may well be, but after Sasuke/Naruto it falls very flat. Of course, Sasuke/Naturo never existed until Kishi waved his wand.
Sasuke not giving a crap about Naruto until he showed promise, was well written, and more importantly, it made sense. I take everything after Tsunade as not fitting with the rest.

I don't know if it was smaller. It just had grit. Naruto was an annoying twerp and people really did hate him, yet he preservered. That is pretty deep for supp used kids's medium.
Now it's just a hero that knows all and fixes all. Much duller than even standard fairy tales.
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From the is this interesting perspective.

That may well be, but after Sasuke/Naruto it falls very flat. Of course, Sasuke/Naturo never existed until Kishi waved his wand.
Sasuke not giving a crap about Naruto until he showed promise, was well written, and more importantly, it made sense. I take everything after Tsunade as not fitting with the rest.

I don't know if it was smaller. It just had grit. Naruto was an annoying twerp and people really did hate him, yet he preservered. That is pretty deep for supp used kids's medium.
Now it's just a hero that knows all and fixes all. Much duller than even standard fairy tales.
who hated naruto? he was a lovable loser.
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I hated Naruto. Almost all of the other characters were more interesting than him for quite a while. He was annoying, and the only ray of promise shone when he managed to learn a forbidden jutsu (which turned out to be not really all that forbidden). For a very long time (in story time) after that I felt like Kishi was trolling me. I doubt I would have gotten into the series if it hadn't been for an anime marathon I saw while I was sick one day years ago, which allowed me to watch much of Part 1 all at the same time. It didn't really even get that interesting until the Chunnin Exam.
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You clearly don't know how to us commas. It was a introductory clause with a list included.The usage is exactly correct. As I said, you don't know the English language very well--no need to pretend. Given that I spent a whole semester studying one of Beethoven Sonatas, I think it would be you that knows nothing at all about Beethoven. Given that you compared to him to Kishi, you have embarrassed yourself in the process.
1stly...let me re-write how you're supposed to write it:
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Beethoven's genius was bringing back a theme in an unexpected manner. No one has done it better sense. Neglecting going into music theory of transitions, dominates and sub dominants, it's call subtlety.
Beethoven's genius was bringing back a theme in an unexpected manner. No one has done it better sense; neglecting going into music theory of transitions, dominates and sub dominants - it's call'ed' subtlety.
got it? u won't need the hyphen if you said "is call" but when u say "it's"..

I don't need to defend my use of English language with you...

2ndly, studying one Beethoven sonata in a semester is laughable... I have 429 Beethoven songs I've been listening to for 4 years straight...not a single day without it,...I know more about beethoven than I know about any other human who's walked this planet; perhaps thrice the knowledge I have about naruto manga...and i dare to say I'm the biggest Beethoven fan under age 30. There is no music out there i haven't heard or know or read about. I listen to no other music... And my dream as an architect has a lot to do with him. So to sit here and argue with you about Beethoven is stupid, seeing you're not even a competition.... And because I aspire to such greatness, I admire Kishi... Kishi gave me hope that even in this fast paced, instant gratification modern world, filled with mediocre art, there is still room to be artistically great based on quality, creativity, originality and hardwork...Ppl who criticize great achievers always never amount to nothing themselves.

You just agreed with my statement, again, but misunderstood it. Like nice guys; finish last. It does not mean nice guys finish last, it means being nice has nothing to do with ability. Likewise, popularity has nothing to do with quality.
Very subjective... I can make a list of popular works that got attention only because of their quality, thus becoming even more quality... and you can give me the reverse list of examples...that's why such statement are ineffective in debates which I'm trying to hammer into your head.

Not if you understood my point. I need only one case to prove popularity is independent of quality. My illustration exemplified that point. If popularity is precisely correlated to quality, I would have no examples to offer. I did not state that nothing popular is of quality--that would be absurd. However, that does mean Naruto being popular(debatable) is irrelevant to whether it is any good.
One case to prove something is a bad practice...you're a joke... do you know how many cases you need to disprove or prove something...you're a questionable individual if you really believe that!

Except it is a complete copy of Dragon Ballz, and at least that manga is consistent with it's own story. You have already admitted that Naruto is popular; thus, it has not been ignored. It's popularity is at it's peak; there will be no discovery later. The simplest reason is that manga itself has long ago reached its peak.
.. honestly answer me one question... "what manga in your opinion is the best or among the best"... perhaps knowing that may give me a better idea of your lack of appreciation for creative / monumental works... And I'll show you how to constructively bash/criticize a work.

Given that Sticky and I have praised certain aspects, years before you were even posting here by the way, lends us credibility when we critique it now. It is bad. Those with poor taste may like it, but, in the whole, we are right.

Deluded? To think because you've been here longer, means you have the credibility... the fact that your oppositions are newer and don't care about how long you've been here or what good things you've written about part I should urge you to review that line of thought. Don't excite yourself.

@Zigzag: But would you quarrel that nothing has been close to the quality of Part I?
It would be unfair to compare Kishi to real literature (or musical scores ), but comparing him to other manga and even himself is more than fair.
And zig gave you a clear answer... Part one vs part II is like comparing a quartet to a symphony... Shippuden is more monumental, it's bound to have more errors and bad moments...
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Is that suppose to be a sentence? You point out minor typing errors and expect me to let this go? Let me fix this travesty. Firstly, let me rewrite how you are supposed to write it. Secondly, you have yet to acknowledge Beethoven's subtlety was first mentioned by me. It is dubious whether you even knew the definition of subtlety before I mentioned it. Thirdly, you have yet to explain how I incorrectly used punctuation. But given your use of unneeded ellipses, please don't.

And there goes your unrestrained ego. Good job, you listen to Beethoven for four years. Trust me, you have only entered the journeyman status. You do not know a pinprick of knowledge yet. But keep trying.

Kishi is a hack. If you follow him, you will amount to nothing. The only nugget of wisdom you may learn is what not to do. Here's a suggestion, read real literature, Dickens, Hugo, Harding, Dreiser . Those works are amazing, uplifting, or tragic not hackneyed commercialism of Naruto.

Again you have missed the point. I said popularity is uncorrelated to quality. I need only one example. You are trying to claim popularity is. One exception breaks your entire argument. If you want to prove quality show quality. I would suggest making a comparison to something of quality and reasoned arguments comparing how they are the same i.e. not what you did with Beethoven.

A manga of quality? That is easily answered, Monster. If you want something a little more fight heavy, Vinland Saga or even Golgo 13--the longest running manga in existence by the way.

I did not say deluded, only poor taste. Actually, at that time Part II was well under way and still had a bit of quality hanging around the edges. My standards do not change as the quality decreases(perhaps the same could be said of Sticky); thus, the deterioration Naruto's narrative necessitated a harsher judgement.

Your hyperbole and unrestrained statements detract from your opinions now. Why would anyone think you are nothing more than a fanatic and disregard anything you say with such statements like: a lot of great works are not as appreciated in their time of creation and performance but way after when it has been reviewed again by newer generations...
That is why kishi will never fail... in the action/ninja genre, there can be no greater creativity or originality of idea, in plot, jutsu and storyline!

Can you defend that? No greater creativity? Really?

Perhaps Kishi should stick to jingles because higher order scores are beyond him without mountainous dissonance.
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Sasuke not giving a crap about Naruto until he showed promise, was well written, and more importantly, it made sense.
Friendship wise? Not so much to me. They never had that great chemisty to an extent minus here and there.

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I don't know if it was smaller. It just had grit.
The world and focus was much smaller. The whole themes Kishimoto wanted to build upon didn't come much in Part 1 but until Part 2.


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Well he still does its just he isn't hated anymore.


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Well he is the character who is supposed to usher a new age of Shinobi world. Hashirama and Rikudo and others failed. As for NAruto we will see. He clearly doesn't know all and hasn't really fixed much really.

I found the worst of Part II scattered about. Sai and Sasuke Arc, Immortals Arc, Sasuke's Year especailly those I didn't like.
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Kishi is a hack. If you follow him, you will amount to nothing. The only nugget of wisdom you may learn is what not to do.

Perhaps Kishi should stick to jingles because higher order scores are beyond him without mountainous dissonance.
That is your opinion. You shouldn't say it as if it was a fact!!!

In my opinion, Naruto is the best of the three, Naruto, One Piece and Bleach. And I consider the other two are great series!!!
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Friendship wise? Not so much to me. They never had that great chemisty to an extent minus here and there.



The world and focus was much smaller. The whole themes Kishimoto wanted to build upon didn't come much in Part 1 but until Part 2.




Well he still does its just he isn't hated anymore.




Well he is the character who is supposed to usher a new age of Shinobi world. Hashirama and Rikudo and others failed. As for NAruto we will see. He clearly doesn't know all and hasn't really fixed much really.

I found the worst of Part II scattered about. Sai and Sasuke Arc, Immortals Arc, Sasuke's Year especailly those I didn't like.
Exactly, there was no friendship and it worked!

There are more lands, I guess. But the overall arc of human condition is much reduced. Once Danzo died all the gray area is now gone. Tobi's so called depth comes off as whiney. Heck Mizuki's words of hate are much more poignant than anything written currently. Then you have Iruka's redemption. Good stuff.

If Naruto is hated, then the manga should be over. That was his goal, he reached it. The story has lost it's antagonist, which wasn't Itachi or Madara, but the hate everyone felt for Naruto. If Kishi wanted to keep writing, he should have had the villagers blame Naruto for the destruction of Konoha.

But he is never wrong, so he is 1-dimensional character and pointless.

You can either like or dislike those arcs, but they made sense. They bigger problem was the inconsistency piling higher and higher from Itachi Twist, the explanation of how the fox was sealed in Naruto to Kabuto being Orochhimaru's willing servant.
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Exactly, there was no friendship and it worked!
For you.

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Once Danzo died all the gray area is now gone.
If you mean Gray as in character maybe but there are still plenty of gray actions. Tobirama stands out.

Kishimoto often likes to go through that its not all black and white clear cut image with everyone.

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By that time Naruto was less hated and well integrated since CHunin Exams.

THe fact he defeated Pain negated if anything much of the hate. Villagers blaming in a way is partially irrational because of what Naruto achieved defeating Pain.

If anything Tsunade got some blame from the elders.

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He is never wrong? He was proven wrong about chasing Sasuke like what he does. He compromised but he had to come to reality because everyone was hounding him.

Although it took to the point where he had to hyperventilate.
Even Kishi's favorite Itachi had to remind of not acting like Tobi.

1 dimensional? Compared to main shonen characters, hardly.

He actually has character development, now whether its good or not is up to debate though.


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Is that suppose to be a sentence? You point out minor typing errors and expect me to let this go? Let me fix this travesty. Firstly, let me rewrite how you are supposed to write it.
lol... be smart, i don't care about your typing errors...we all do that... but if i'm quoting you, i wouldn't repeat wrong spellings... got it? ... and enough with this grammar debate...stupid to continue...let's get to the meat of the matter.


Secondly, you have yet to acknowledge Beethoven's subtlety was first mentioned by me. It is dubious whether you even knew the definition of subtlety before I mentioned it.
lol dont be foolish... i'm telling you not to discuss beethoven with me. You have no knowledge about the subject except for one sonata you confirmed learning at school. but I'm telling you for the last time... beethoven is not subtle...it's ignorant to think beethoven is subtle otherwise, why'd he write multiple letters to piano makers to make pianos larger and louder for louder music? ... his music are wild and harsh most of the time... Kruetzer is a typical example, or hammerklavier, or appassionata, or Diabelli Variations...The fact that i showed you a few examples of how beethoven has been subtle doesn't mean you go around saying he's subtle...you understand? Also, use examples if you really know what you're talking about okay...like i do.

Thirdly, you have yet to explain how I incorrectly used punctuation. But given your use of unneeded ellipses, please don't.
lol... what better way to show something than quote your original and re-write a correction underneath that...hard of seeing? i have no interest in debating about grammar for more than a few times...it's idiotic.

And there goes your unrestrained ego. Good job, you listen to Beethoven for four years. Trust me, you have only entered the journeyman status. You do not know a pinprick of knowledge yet. But keep trying.
A losers last remark...so predictable...
it's funny how confident you were until you heard the depth of my knowledge about beethoven, then you claimed to have taken one class to accommodate your insecurity. Even that didn't suffice... u over estimated your knowledge without knowing the depth of mine... i'll school u anytime on this subject.


Kishi is a hack. If you follow him, you will amount to nothing. The only nugget of wisdom you may learn is what not to do. Here's a suggestion, read real literature, Dickens, Hugo, Harding, Dreiser . Those works are amazing, uplifting, or tragic not hackneyed commercialism of Naruto.

Really, amount to nothing? haha...see, the difference between you and me is i am extremely deductive...i can deduce substance from Kishi's work while you cannot...you don't even understand simple constraints within the plot that's why you put up stupid threads like this one here
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Soo, Madara can't kill the entire alliance all at once for one because they can't control the Juubi completely..okay fine.

For two because Madara doesn't want to kill Tobi for various reasons and can't go on a suicide attack. Umm, can't Tobi instantly warp anywhere in the world? So is Kishi an idiot or is Tobi lying to Madara.
no, you're the idiot here who doesn't understand that in order for Tobi to warp, he'd have to disconnect his hashirama's cell from the Juubi leaving madara alone in control, which after madara has killed himself from suicide bombing would leave the juubi alone and free

YOU DECIDE!!!
what are you ranting about again? You're wrong this time! so no, kishi is not an idiot and this' not a plot hole... if u wanna continue debating, i'm so in the mood cuz i'm pissed at neji's death to begin with

and what did you do after my response in yellow? only something cowards would do...you downrepped me, thinking i wouldn't know it was you? childish. I learned something important from kishi, that opened my eyes to something great to the extent, I'm in a civil engineering program + I'm already an architect... can u imagine why i was so influenced? obviously you don't have the reasoning to see it...so will i still amount to nothing by following kishi? u're pathetic if you believe that.

Again you have missed the point. I said popularity is uncorrelated to quality. I need only one example. You are trying to claim popularity is. One exception breaks your entire argument. If you want to prove quality show quality. I would suggest making a comparison to something of quality and reasoned arguments comparing how they are the same i.e. not what you did with Beethoven.
Then again, you lack depth yet you seek it? u also lack understanding... lot's of popular works in earlier historic times were MOSTLY correlated to quality because that's what patrons sook after. Today, it's different because of media and other factors...
you generalize as though it was factual... maybe only in your head.


A manga of quality? That is easily answered, Monster. If you want something a little more fight heavy, Vinland Saga or even Golgo 13--the longest running manga in existence by the way.
ok... vinland saga is ONLY 91 chp...i'll read it anyways and give you fair reviews...

I did not say deluded, only poor taste. Actually, at that time Part II was well under way and still had a bit of quality hanging around the edges. My standards do not change as the quality decreases(perhaps the same could be said of Sticky); thus, the deterioration Naruto's narrative necessitated a harsher judgement.
lol...I meant to say "are you deluded"
btw... see, i don't dislike you or sticky's bashing...i hate when it's done unjustly...
You on the other hand, is like a woman who suffers physical abuse from her husband, then goes out to complain to ppl but refuses to divorce him... that's why you've stayed on this forum for 3 years... ridiculous.


Your hyperbole and unrestrained statements detract from your opinions now. Why would anyone think you are nothing more than a fanatic and disregard anything you say with such statements like: a lot of great works are not as appreciated in their time of creation and performance but way after when it has been reviewed again by newer generations...
That is why kishi will never fail... in the action/ninja genre, there can be no greater creativity or originality of idea, in plot, jutsu and storyline!


Can you defend that? No greater creativity? Really?
Yes! I haven't seen a greater creativity yet when it comes to action anime/manga on this monumental scope... have you? Nagato's six paths for example is one of the most creative things i've seen in anime.

Perhaps Kishi should stick to jingles because higher order scores are beyond him without mountainous dissonance.
Even the great beethoven had problems with his only opera (Fidelio) and had to re-work it over and over with three different overtures but never quite got it right....but was it a failure? NO... Kishi is a brave man, and i respect him for that...
Fanatic, lol, that's your speculation... I have threads that express my dislike for several things kishi does... like this one http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121949 or posts on how disappointed i was with obito reveal...fanatics don't get real...u're "anti-fanatic" and constantly bashing no matter what...who's to be taken more seriously? it's like, i can predict what's in a tread u begin... u're the same old, who doesn't like change, that's why u wished shippuden was just like Part I, then you can rant again about how kishi is repeating himself in shippuden as he did part I...what do you want? heh?
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Fanatic, lol, that's your speculation... I have threads that express my dislike for several things kishi does... like this one http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121949 or posts on how disappointed i was with obito reveal...fanatics don't get real...u're "anti-fanatic" and constantly bashing no matter what...who's to be taken more seriously? it's like, i can predict what's in a tread u begin... u're the same old, who doesn't like change, that's why u wished shippuden was just like Part I, then you can rant again about how kishi is repeating himself in shippuden as he did part I...what do you want? heh?
Your analogy between Wooster and I and women in abusive relationships is not only extremely idiotic but highly insulting at the same time.

No matter what Wooster and I think of Naruto we ENJOY being here.
A women in abusive relationship does NOT enjoy her situation
but instead stays in the abusive relationship because she feels
trapped for a variety of reasons.

The problem is that you take a inch of criticism against Naruto
and make it to be a mile of personal insult to yourself.
You accuse us of arrogance when ironically it is you who
is going on ranting about how darn clever you are.
You act as if someone doesn't like Naruto that there
must be something wrong with them and if they express
their opinion of not liking Naruto then they're outright criminals.

Now I would agree in saying people who just aimlessly
bash a series are indeed a wet blanket. But Wooster and
I don't do that. Not usually at least. If there's something
we don't like we usually have a reason why. You may
not like that reason but we're hardly going around and
just saying "Naruto sucks and if you read it you suck too."

To sum it up:

You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
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Your analogy between Wooster and I and women in abusive relationships is not only extremely idiotic but highly insulting at the same time.
did u understand what I meant by "you on the other hand"...that excludes sticky... I didn't make that analogy about you and it'd be silly for me to debate that with you unless you and woo* are the same person, though you two can be defined as Siamese puppies that can't stop licking each others wounds

No matter what Wooster and I think of Naruto we ENJOY being here.

A women in abusive relationship does NOT enjoy her situation
but instead stays in the abusive relationship because she feels
trapped for a variety of reasons.
It's pointless... i said i wasn't referring to you... but i admire your sincerity.
speak about yourself, don't associate woo*, and he should speak about him alone... when u associate another in debate it makes you look weak and in need of support... perhaps you also feel trapped to naruto for a variety of reasons.? don't pretend to play morals with me...


The problem is that you take a inch of criticism against Naruto
and make it to be a mile of personal insult to yourself.
if you genuinely believe I'm insulting myself, then why bother?...
and don't call your dozens of naruto criticism an "inch" either...since you're known as a hater of the series... or u want me to pull out all your post against it.


You accuse us of arrogance when ironically it is you who
is going on ranting about how darn clever you are.

you mean you... don't say us...

btw...which of these is more arrogant:
you who constantly is bashing Kishi an established artist hardwork, (when,you, yourself can't come up with any intelligent alternative) vs
Kalmeast, who sees the value of Kishi's hard work (though not perfect and flawed) and defends it against unappreciative egomaniacs who hang around constantly displeased and forcing their displeasure on others?


You act as if someone doesn't like Naruto that there
must be something wrong with them and if they express
their opinion of not liking Naruto then they're outright criminals.
This is your presumption... what does it take to join a forum? if someone doesn't like a series, why'd they go through the trouble of joining a forum and stay there for 3 to 4 years with over 10,000 post and even become moderators of the forum...do you realize how foolish this sounds? or do i need to go into details?


Now I would agree in saying people who just aimlessly
bash a series are indeed a wet blanket. But Wooster and
I don't do that. Not usually at least. If there's something
we don't like we usually have a reason why. You may
not like that reason but we're hardly going around and
just saying "Naruto sucks and if you read it you suck too."
You of all should know that sometimes when Kishi doesn't do well, I support in the bashing... and let go... as long as i watch and read the manga every wednesday morning, i have no reason to act as though it sucks. Sometimes it's your hypocrisy that I dislike.

To sum it up:

You're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
Naw...you take naruto as being a failure more seriously....

btw... know this, I never come at you harshly... I enjoy some of your threads especially those that don't make any sense at all...when I first joined, you were a big comic relief and i laughed at your threads n post...

just as you are disappointed about the war arc, likewise, i am disappointed about how you've been corrupted into constant bashing... If something kishi does is good, why don't you praise it... when was the last time I read a praise from you? are you to say he hasn't written anything good in two years? ... when he deserves praise, you keep silent, when he does something wrong you begin accusing... Fairness doesn't work like that.


besides, we were having a good debate until someone else jumped in, so i changed gears!
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and you're in error as usual to consider beethoven as not being subtle either... ,.. Marcia Funebre is full of subtleties

but I'm telling you for the last time... beethoven is not subtle...it's ignorant to think beethoven is subtle
Get back to me when you make up your mind.

I might read the rest of your histrionics then.
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Get back to me when you make up your mind.

I might read the rest of your histrionics then.
haha, u're so dumb, u don't think i made that on purpose...and yet you couldn't infer...typical example of what i meant by your low level of understanding...exactly the same way u misinterpret kishi, saying he's contradicting himself just because u don' get it... Beethoven isn't someone to describe as subtle alone or harsh alone...he's both, all rounded, that's why it's an error to describe him with only one of those adjectives...

lol...giving up already...a typical backing down of the loser; pretending not to have read everything... u're so fake it's pitiful...hahaha...

u choked that's all... just know i'm not one to mess with...okay...
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If you guys want to further debate upon Kishimoto's writing you could take it to PMs.


On the mean time let's not be to serious, this is a Shonen Manga after all.
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Naw...you take naruto as being a failure more seriously....

btw... know this, I never come at you harshly... I enjoy some of your threads especially those that don't make any sense at all...when I first joined, you were a big comic relief and i laughed at your threads n post...

just as you are disappointed about the war arc, likewise, i am disappointed about how you've been corrupted into constant bashing... If something kishi does is good, why don't you praise it... when was the last time I read a praise from you? are you to say he hasn't written anything good in two years? ... when he deserves praise, you keep silent, when he does something wrong you begin accusing... Fairness doesn't work like that.


besides, we were having a good debate until someone else jumped in, so i changed gears!
I take it "seriously" only in the sense that I try to make a good argument.
You take it seriously in the sense that you can't handle criticism.
I know you don't come at me harshly but that wasn't my point.
My point was that you need to chill out before you hurt yourself.

Would I say Kishi hasn't written anything good in two years?

No, I would not say that. But at the same time he hasn't
really written anything that I found worthy of praise.
Now some stuff may be POTENTIALLY worthy of praise
but I'd have to wait to see if Kishimoto pulls through or not.
Sure you could try and say my expectations are "too high"
but the reason they are is because Kishimoto already
set the bar that high or higher in previous arcs of Naruto.

I don't praise mediocrity and if that's unfair well tough nuggets.
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