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Hashirama Senju 0 0%
Tobirama Senju 7 18.92%
Hiruzen Sarutobi 3 8.11%
Minato Namikaze 1 2.70%
Tsunade 15 40.54%
Danzo Shimura 11 29.73%
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:02 AM   #61
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Even with hype how does his water style kill tsunade? How does he even beat katasyu
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Even with hype how does his water style kill tsunade? How does he even beat katasyu

''Tobirama...lower your fingers''
IMO he wrecks her with hype.

No hype = She one shots him with her fist.

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That hype still does not kill tsunade nor katatsyu
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Once again I find you hating on Tobirama Prince, if Hashirama has to worry about tobirama simply lifting his fingers then it's safe to assume that Tsunade nor Katatsyu have a chance against him. He made that entire place shake just by lifting his finger, Tsunade has never done such a thing in her life.

The there Sanin are supposed to be as equaly strong as each other, though I do believe that Tsunade may be the weakest from what I've seen, so if Orochimaru was worried about him, what makes you that Tsunade could steam roll him?

Just admit Prince this thread was just another way for you to hate on Tobirama again, you didn't care who people thought was the weakest Hokage because you already had your mind made up.
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I am saying that Tobirama is the weakest (and most featless) hokage. That does not mean he is weak period. Hashirama knew Tobirama can do damage but he did not want him to cause trouble.Tsuande and Katasyu have taken a lot of attacks that would be instant killz. So assuming that Tobirama has a jutsu that would finish Tsuande and kataysu is unlikely

Tsuande was not at full power when fighting Oro. Plus an edo hokage is worse than a living sannin. Plus Oro has less knowledge on Tobirama than Tsuande so more is to be ASSUMED. Being the weakest sannin does not mean she would lose to tobirama.
Yep you totally got me…btw what proof did you give? And How did you say Tobirama beats Tsuande? I do not believe you did. I am not Hating I am just saying the facts. Tobirama has lil hype and most people ASSUME his power. Tsuande is a tank with a powerful summoning. She can withstand a lot and only needs one shot to win. Slug Acid GG
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Let's not even pull the doe hokage mess because they have been brought back with a better version of edo, plus if he really is weaker as an edo then Tusnade would definately lose since this version of Tobirama would obviously stomp, seeing as how his power if on a whole other level.


How he'd kill her is simple she's not immune to drowning prince and if you really weren't hating once again then tell me why it is that when I don't know everyting about Hashirama and I tell you basically the same things you tell me "WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET!!!" and yet it's completely alright for you to assume things about Tobirama when you don't even know what he can do in battle yet and by hype not only is he the second strongest Senju, but Hokage as well. Please explain that to me...it's because you're bias against him prince, I have seen you make more Tobirama hate thread in disguise that anything else.

Aslo Tsunade was at full power and then some when fighting Orochimaru, Orochimaru was the one with the handicap and he took on her and Jiraya at the same time and once again Orochimari fears Tobirama.
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We are not talking which edo hokage is better. Edos are always stronger because they have endless chakra,stamina, and can regenerate.
The only thing we do not know yet about Hashirama is how he died. While there is plenty we do not know about Tobirama.What have I assumed about Tobirama? I am just going by feats.Where is the proof that he is the second strongest hokage or senju? The only 2nd thing he is the Acutal Second Hokage. There is not hat just stating the truth
Tsuande was NOT at full power. She took a sword to the chest and she just got over her fear of blood. Plus she did not even use the full power of the Yin Seal. Oro is not in fear of Tobirama. He just did not want to get hit by him. Oro was surprised that Tobirama was fighting the restriatant. You are just ASSUMING and making info up. Pg 5 chp 620 –Every has an exclamation mark EXCEPT for Oro. I did not say that Tobirama Is the weakest ever in the world. Oro did not want to risk getting hit there was no need and it was not the time
Can we please just go back to feats instead of pointing hating fingers
Anyway, Drowing??? That is very vague don’t ya think?
How does a water dragon or a wall of water drown Tsuande? Even if Tsuande was caught in the water she would just summon Kataysu. Kataysu would rise Tsuande out of the water then Kataysu would spit acid at Tobirama. pLUS the water would have to travel so Tsuande has time to summon Kataysu before she gets caught in the water. Also Tsuande can punch the water away. The water is infused with chakra so its dense and like a solid. Not to mention that Tsuande punched Madara’s flame dragons away! Tsuande has great stamina so she could hold her breath for a long time anyway.
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Tusnade's Yin Seal completely healed her and kept healing her, while Orochimaru had no use of his arms and his body was decaying. Tsunade had help from Jiraya and still just barely beat Orochimaru if you can even say she did that.

And also since you want to quote the manga, maybe you should also look at that worried look on Orochimaru's face as well. Also since you want to quote the manga then how about we look at the fact of the Orochimaru summoned Tobirama and Hashirama the Anbu even said that they were the most powerful of the Hokage then, they don't we look at that or how Minato said that Tobirama had a space time jutsu even more impressive than his own.

And yes Drowning since even Orochimaru pointed out that she was not immune to being strangled to death while using Yin Seal.

And please tell me what you know about Tobirama, have you ever seen him in action, no you have not. Tobirama was not allowed to be weak, he was a full on ninja, fighting in a war by age 7, not going kiddy missions, like Naruto or even Tsunade had to do, he did have time to do easy stuff like that, they were at war.
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He has more then water.. Based on hype he is one of the strongest in his time. He can take her out from range. Force the water down her throut. He is extreamly skilled in Taijutsu. He can sense by placing his fingers on the groun. He can use space-time based on Manito, He his not weak. But on feats at the moment yes. Hype.. he kills and stands on side with his brother.
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HH you are using all hype and trying to make comparisons. His hype is not specific enough on how he fights. We only know of 2 Jutsu he can use. FYI- Oro would beat tobirama as well without arms. But even if you believe that or not using A>B>C logic does not always work.
How does tsunade drown when she can punch the water away or kayltaysu raises her up out of the water?

One again I am not saying tobirama is the weakest ever but he is the weakest hokage. He has yet to live up to hype. Tsunade also has great hype too but I just talk about her feats.

Once again how does tobirama counter acid spam
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Water wall could possibly block the acid.
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Possible.. But Tobitama would have to use it constantly
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On previous post I had Danzo as weakest but I disagree on that now. Ether 3rd or 5th are the weakest.

Really though PoP give it a rest on Tobirama he is one of the strongest characters in his time. That was a time with ninja like Madara and Hashirama who dwarf everyone currently except a handful of ninja.
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He doesnt have to use it constantly because acid spit is not an constant type attack.
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HH you are using all hype and trying to make comparisons. His hype is not specific enough on how he fights. We only know of 2 Jutsu he can use. FYI- Oro would beat tobirama as well without arms. But even if you believe that or not using A>B>C logic does not always work.
How does tsunade drown when she can punch the water away or kayltaysu raises her up out of the water?

One again I am not saying tobirama is the weakest ever but he is the weakest hokage. He has yet to live up to hype. Tsunade also has great hype too but I just talk about her feats.

Once again how does tobirama counter acid spam
Oh so suddenly it's bad to use hype now, you should be the last one talking about using hype since you are going along with the hype that Sarutobi was a god among ninja in his prime despite never seeing him in his prime and need I remind you how you used nothing, but Hype for Hashirama back when we knew nothing about him, so don't throw that crap at me.

Also Orochimaru could never beat Tobirama without his arms and even he knows that, that he didn't want him to break loose, because he knew he would kill him. Tsunade would not be able to simply punch away the water if she is surrounded by it you have never seen her be able to do such a thing, if it could be done then Killer Bee would have used his Biju power punch the water Kisame made around him away.

Rather I am using Hype or not, they were stated in the manga that Tobirama and Hashirama were the most powerful the Hokage and among the strongest of Shinobi in their time, that he has a space time jutsu even more impressive that Minato's, that even though he was killed by the Kinaku force they killed 18 of the them and the only two that survives that Ginakaku and Kinakaku and you don't even know what went down in the fight or what condition they were in when they left, but despite all of this you would honestly sit there and say that he is weakest of the Hokage even though the manga says otherwise?

Also Tsunade has to have the chance to summon first and Tobirama can create water out of thin air instantly.
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What are you talking about? I never used Sarutobi’s hype of how he was a “god” I even made a thread questioning it. When did I support his hype? Hashirama’s hype is confirmed as we speak while Tobirama has yet to prove his.
I am not going to talk about Oro vs Tobirama on this thread. It does not have anything to do with this. Oro was no where as near worried as the others. Oro just sweated a bit. BTW how would Tobirama even kill Oro? Oro is kinda immortal ya know. Why would Oro not stop his attack? Why would Oro want to get hit or test his strength. This is totally silly. Oro did not want to start a fight. Oro like anyone else does not like to get hurt when they can prevent it. Oro stopped the attack just like he wanted. ORO HAD NO FEAR! Where is your proof? He stood still. There was no explamantion points. Oro barely made a move or reacted in fear. He sweated a bit due to straining to restrain Tobirama. You are saying that Tsuande can not punch water? Why not? It’s dense due to the water being infused with water. Afterall Tsuande punched fire away. Tsuande would not just stand there while the water came around and surrounded her. She would summon katasyu to get her above the water or Tsuande would punch though it. Idk why people would say he would drown her. He can not control the water like sugeitsu near her mouth. Tsuande can still swim afterall and kataysu would help her out. Killer B was in a total different situation. Kisame has shown better suiton feats than Tobirama. Plus Killer B had to protect his rappin master and pet. Killer Bee in bijju form is not as strong as Tsuande anyway (physically that is). Plus Killer Bee was getting his chakra contstantly drained. They can not be compared. Killer Bee was already in the center of the water and Killer B and Kisame suprass Tobirama in every way. Tsuande is not going to just let herself be caught in water and Tobirama has not shown to be on par with Kisame.
Great tobirama was a strong hokage AT HIS TIME!!! But the next generation is always better and Tsuande also has a lot of powerful people in her generation. Tsuande is physically the strongest and best healer of her generation. TOBIRAMA’s SPACE TIME NINJUTSU IS UNKNOWN. Why even mention it. The only thing we know of is Edo Tensi. Where was it stated that Tobirama’s Time space ninjutsu is better than Minato’s??? I am not saying Tobirama is the weakest of the Hokages I am just saying he is weaker than Tsuande.

All tsuande has to do is draw blood then slam here hand on the ground…its reall not that hard. Tobirama also has to make at least one hand seal and tsuande can summon kaytaus in or on the water. PROVE that Tsuande can not punch though the water
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=-How would you think Danzo is the weakest? He can come back ot life like 10 times and he can mind control people and his summoning can suck a lot up. lol

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-Again HH Idk where you are getting you info from cuz I did not even make this thread.

From STRONGEST to weakest
Hashirama
Minato
Danzo
Tsuande
Tobirama
Hiruzen

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Oh please do not try and change the subject Prince you know exactly what I am talking about, despite the fact that Hashirama's hype is being proven right now that does not change the fact that when Hashirama had nothing but Hype that you religiously went along with it without question, so why was it OK for you to use Hashirama's hype when he had not been proven yet back then, but it's not OK for us to use Tobirama's Hype right now.

And honestly your excuse for Orochimaru is that he didn't want to get hit, he's never cared about getting hit before, so what changed now? that look on Orochimaru's face was a look of fear it was not you average "oh I'm straining myself" Orochimaru look.

You say prove that Tsunade can't Punch away water?, you prove that she can, you seem to forget the fact that Tobirama is still to this day deemed the greatest water style ninja of all time and that he can make massive amounts of water out of thin air in an instant, Tsunade has never summoned in an instant. And don't BS me prince you know exactly where it was mentioned in the manga because this is not the first time this subject has come up and you were apart of it, I swear I can't stand when you sit there and pretend not to know things that you already do and I know for sure that not too long ago I gave you the dang chapter for where it was said in a VM.

And yes Tobirama was one of the stingiest in his time and even though we would all love to believe that the next generation was stringer than the last, it was stated and shown that the ninja form Hashirama and Tobirama's time where made out of tougher stuff than the ninja in Tusnade or even Naruto's time.

The simple fact of the matter if that I know for whatever odd reason that you have you seem to against Tobirama for some reason, because I know that I would have said Tsunade was stronger than Hashirama back when we knew nothing about him but Hype like Tobirama right now that you would have told me that we don't know anything about what Hashirama could do so I couldn't say that because we don't know yet and yet when I tell you the same thing, that we don't know anything about Tobirama on that scale to where we can judge rather he is weaker that Tsunade or not, you insist upon the fact that she is despite the fact that every mention of him the manga says otherwise. I know that your bias against him also because when I mention the fact that Hashirama is the cause of all 4 great shinobi world wars that you constantly make excuses for him about how he was trying to establish peace and it just didn't work out, but when I tell you that Tobirama was only trying to keep the village safe when he messed up with the Uchi ha I have to hear all of this crap about how he shouldn't have done it in the first place, but when I tell you that Hashirama should have left the tailed beast alone you've got 1001 reasons for why he shouldn't have.

At the end of the day rather it's Hype or not, the knowledge known about Tobirama says he's stronger than Tsunade and rather you want to believe that or not at this point I honestly do not care, you cannot say that Tobirama is weaker that Tsunade because haven't seen what he can do yet, that's like Saying Izuna is weaker than Sakura because you haven't seen him do anything either.

Anyway, I'm out, you can reply or don't, but odds are I'm not even going to read it because I can see where this is going and I'm done. Peace out everybody.
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You and I both know that is BG's we gotta go by feats.'so feat wise ATM tobirama is weaker.
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You and I both know that is BG's we gotta go by feats.'so feat wise ATM tobirama is weaker.
We could just wait for Tobirama to show us what he can do, most times when at the BG and we debate usually its characters we know what they can do. Feats are more for what a character's limits are like Kakashi can't use MS all day, right now we don't know jack about Tobirama's powers. So to say he loses to Tsunade who we have seen a lot of is unfair.
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Well tsaunde is definitely not the weakest acid on hiruzen
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