Oracion Seis vs Sound Five

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

YOu forget that Natsu and Gajeel were tearing the Phantom Lord guild building mech apart with their own fight.

Zero matched Dragonforce NAtsu with ease.

Look at the Erigor fight the first major FT arc, you see some Sound 4 members taking Erigor's storm mail and his widescale wind directly?

Fatboy and kimmimaro both have the requirements to physically over power them. Fatboy body slammed chouji in giant mode casually and withstood his attacks. Kimmimaro withstood his body being crushed and shredded. His bones could pentrate gaaras sand. That means it could easily have the penetration force of pts chidori.

[321zigzag3]

The only reason why Kimimaro would be dangerous is immense durability.
While his skills are great he still lacks defens against Cobra.

Against Midnight we will have to abandon his traditional taijutsu with bone.

Fatboy is too slow. :maybe

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The only reason why Kimimaro would be dangerous is immense durability.
While his skills are great he still lacks defens against Cobra.

Against Midnight we will have to abandon his traditional taijutsu with bone.

Fatboy is too slow. :maybe

Sound four have a great speed, while Kimimaro is even far faster.

Racer may slow them down but that alone is not enough.

And Tayuya could use Genjutsu on entire Oracion Seis!!!

[321zigzag3]

I already put my thoughts in this matchup in my first post. You can go reread it if you wish.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The only reason why Kimimaro would be dangerous is immense durability.
While his skills are great he still lacks defens against Cobra.

Against Midnight we will have to abandon his traditional taijutsu with bone.

Fatboy is too slow. :maybe

You are forgetting the other three. Tayuya sound genjutsu was clearly the archetype for kabuto. It paralyzes the seis. Also kidomaru webs are not easily broken Neji plot effed him over. Also dont let him set up sniping. Sakon......useless waste of ink. :maybe

Also fatboy might actually be the strongest he is an essential tank now that we discuss this. His raw power could be more than A. Also extremely durable.

[BMC1994]

What prevents the entire sound 4 from getting poined by cobras breath? Yes kimi and probably kido maru are extremely durable but that doesnt help against posion.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I already put my thoughts in this matchup in my first post. You can go reread it if you wish.

I already read it but I will answer!!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

It doesn't matter though because at worst case scenario Zero wins most likely. Kimimaro is the only threat to him and only because of his incredible durability.

And why could Zero not be defeated by some other member of sound five, in a one on one match?!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The problem is that while Sound 5 has shown overall nastier abilities few of the Oracion Seis such as Zero has that typical enhanced durability and strength and range blasts.

How does that stop abilities such as Chakra draining Jirobo used, Kidomaro's web and arrows, Tayuya's Genjutsu, Sakon's body going to another body or Kimimaro's bones and other attacks?!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Cobra's aeriel flight + listening magic + poison, the Sound 5 lack an actual counter for it minus Tayuya's Genjutsu.

Cobra would be the easiest target for Genjutsu since he could not escape because of how well he hears. Also, even if he knows what Tayuya thinks, he wouldn't know what Genjutsu is!!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Plus the Sound 4 were almost defeated by two Special Jounin (rank lower than Jounin) if it weren't for CS2.

True. But you are trying to argue that those two wouldn't cause troubles to Oracion Seis!!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I peg Oracion Seis at jounin level or above.
Sound 4 are at least elite chunin level and Kimimaro is at least jounin level.

I'd say this is overestimating Oracion Seis!!!

By saying Oracion Seis are Jounin level or above while Kimimaro is at least Jounin level, you are trying to say that each one is capable of easily defeating Sound Four!!!

Characters at that point in Fairy Tail were strong but not that strong. I don't think their speed was really that impressive. They were strong but in Fairy Tail not everyone has comparable physical strength to another. Natsu, Erza, Gray and Gajeel were strong but most of Oracion Seis have shown Magic abilities.

I don't think Oracion Seis is Jounin level, let alone above. I believe most if not all Jounin would defeat Oracion Seis one on one!!!

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I say though Oracion Seis will have some casualities though partly because of Kimimaro's immense durability and that Sound 4 has the overall greater versatile hax.

Kimimaro also has great speed and skills along with other abilities!!!

Not to mention Kimimaro defeated Sound Four by himself!!!

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

What prevents the entire sound 4 from getting poined by cobras breath? Yes kimi and probably kido maru are extremely durable but that doesnt help against posion.

Tayuya and the fact compared to the oracion seis they are more agile by a good degree.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Tayuya and the fact compared to the oracion seis they are more agile by a good degree.

Not while under racers slowing magic.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Sound four have a great speed, while Kimimaro is even far faster.

Racer may slow them down but that alone is not enough.

And Tayuya could use Genjutsu on entire Oracion Seis!!!

Great speed by chunin standards. Racer even without the slowing magic isn't slow. He was able to dash up the tree and attack the flying cats exhibiting great leg strength.

DF Natsu managed to overtake MEteor Gerard in speed. Zero was keeping up with him. Racer's slowing down magic, he can easily increase it to.

Tayuya's genjutsu isn't going to affect Midnight if he uses reflector on himself and it will take longer to effect Cobra who is up in the air spewing poison. She like other Sound 4 minus Kimimaro are vulnerable to Hoteye's liquid ground.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You are forgetting the other three. Tayuya sound genjutsu was clearly the archetype for kabuto. It paralyzes the seis.

If it lands on them yes. :maybe

Also sound genjutsu is not team friendly. :maybe

Also kidomaru webs are not easily broken Neji plot effed him over.

Same as above. :maybe

Also fatboy might actually be the strongest he is an essential tank now that we discuss this. His raw power could be more than A. Also extremely durable.

His raw power is likely on Sage mode users but he is too slow. :maybe

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

And why could Zero not be defeated by some other member of sound five, in a one on one match?!!

This is DF Natsu he matched up with.

How does that stop abilities such as Chakra draining Jirobo used, Kidomaro's web and arrows, Tayuya's Genjutsu, Sakon's body going to another body or Kimimaro's bones and other attacks?!!

Like I said earlier. Sound 5 due to having superior hax may likely inflict some good casualities upon the Oracion Seis.

Cobra would be the easiest target for Genjutsu since he could not escape because of how well he hears. Also, even if he knows what Tayuya thinks, he wouldn't know what Genjutsu is!!!

NAtsu's PLOT scream worked because Cobra was right near him.

Tayuya is on the ground. Cobra is in the air. Her sound genjutsu is less effective in an open location like the default one we are in.

True. But you are trying to argue that those two wouldn't cause troubles to Oracion Seis!!!

But they won't. THey didn't show anything impressive.

I don't think Oracion Seis is Jounin level, let alone above. I believe most if not all Jounin would defeat Oracion Seis one on one!!!

That is debatable. Zero is obvious above jounin. Cobra and Midnight are easily jounin. Racer, Angel and Hoteye have abilities that can pose jounin level threat.

Midnight is also capable of using the reflector of slicing an entire building.
Others have good reaction feats.

Not to mention Kimimaro defeated Sound Four by himself!!!

Zero has that capability easily.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Not while under racers slowing magic.

Bone bullets. Two to the chest one to the head. Also pretty sure there was a catch to racers magic

[BMC1994]

There wasnt the only thing was is that races only slows thing down around him instead of speeding up himself and it has a certain range which still is large enough for all of the sound 4 to be affected.

Midnights reflector takes cares of projectiles.

[Shisko Shi]

OS wins this. Zero if not Midnight solos badly.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

There wasnt the only thing was is that races only slows thing down around him instead of speeding up himself and it has a certain range which still is large enough for all of the sound 4 to be affected.

Midnights reflector takes cares of projectiles.

His powers are only good at close range. If someone like kimmimaro or Kidomaru snipe he is done. No gurantees om midnight can reflect them all. Besides Kimmimaro can spike the whole entire battlefield. Even blend in within said bones and attack from anywhere. None of them can counter it without knowledge.

Then there is the issue of fatboys rock dome which drains energy. They would die unless someones has the raw strength or power to bust out. Also there is still tayuya who paralyzes.

[Shisko Shi]

^ You also relaise that they will be thinking that right? So.... Clearly Cobra will hear it.

Also Kimi will almost if not 100% of the time go close range.. As he did with everyone else.