Member of the Month Rule Thread

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

simply put if we wanna award our regs who contribute to forum projects and our staff for hard work we should create some type of mini badge like some mods and posters have..and maybe a user group with some perks that last for more than four or five weeks..more like several months.

They should also be barred from being considered for MOTM..because what they rightly deserve should be something longer lasting and merit based as opposed to some ham fisted popularity contest..that the council has found themselves constantly face palming over a popular vote and struggling to find some way to award the deserving.

MOTM is by the regs for the regs affair(as bad as that can be given popularity is a bad way of determining legitimacy )..if we truly want to award members, regs and mods for good honest work they need to get a gold medal not a hand me down bronze

[Devroux]

Shut down MotM. I'd rather not give it to anybody rather than give it to someone that doesn't do anything but have friends.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devroux

Shut down MotM. I'd rather not give it to anybody rather than give it to someone that doesn't do anything but have friends.

or we have MOTM..where he voice the publics cliques

and we have a legitimate merit based award system.. and we run both only we run the more important one once or twice a year and give it about 5 or so different categories and excludes from say..3 of said cats to avoid impropriety?

This award ceremony would not be voted on by the general public or the staff but a panel of mods and members

and there you go..you can both the MOTM awards that give the users what it wants and a system that awards people who deserve it not people who are good at making friends

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by Maikeru D. Shinigami

The only thing I've sort of rigged was the GNCE 09 contest.

The MotM I haven't rigged though. Not saying that it's impossible that people haven't been influenced by my vote. I'm not going around telling people who to vote for though.

This bastard admits it then. Poor itachi lost to gaara

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

No, he won, I just did a shitload of advertising.

[Maruko]

Are there a lot of nominations this month?

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Meh..

[Devroux]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

or we have MOTM..where he voice the publics cliques

and we have a legitimate merit based award system.. and we run both only we run the more important one once or twice a year and give it about 5 or so different categories and excludes from say..3 of said cats to avoid impropriety?

This award ceremony would not be voted on by the general public or the staff but a panel of mods and members

and there you go..you can both the MOTM awards that give the users what it wants and a system that awards people who deserve it not people who are good at making friends

The general public can't be trusted to give awards to people that deserve it. It's whoever they like more, PLUS someone that hasn't won before. It's basically a popular poll in order to hand out the awards like candy. I don't even believe the popular vote should have been put up, because I honestly don't trust the mass vote at all. I think it's stupid.

If the public poll was it's own separate contest, I wouldn't want to give an award for it other than a badge because, again, it's just an excuse to hand out custom avatars to everyone. If we wanted to do that, we'd just enable custom avatars.

I'm not against giving people custom avatars. I'm against, "Oh yeah. You had friends, so we'll give you one as congratulations for doing absolutely nothing else." I can go outside and make friends, but I'm not getting an award for that.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devroux

The general public can't be trusted to give awards to people that deserve it.

and you think us staff are immune to cliques or pettiness or just pure idiocy? I mean it's not across the board but we're guilty of all of it..and there's at least two dudes with mod badges that I'm honestly afraid they'd accidentally choke themselves tying their own shoes much less contribute to the MOTM process without suffering brain trauma (though no idea if they're still around or not)

it applies to both sides what you can do with the council is drastically minimize the level of retardation one sees in votes- I'm not disputing your success ratio I'm saying give members and mods who do the amazing things they do..some other form of award and let the users have this..rather meaningless consolation prize

because honestly..there are a lot of users who deserve a lot of props for doing the things they do whether its helping the mods keep the peace or just being active or friendly or helping newbies or whatever and mods and non staff who handle the projects and they should get way more than an MOTM badge and a set of perks

this is what I'm saying..let the council enforce the will of the people..let a separate council determine winners of far more lasting and harder earned prize

Originally Posted by Devroux

It's whoever they like more, PLUS someone that hasn't won before. It's basically a popular poll in order to hand out the awards like candy. I don't even believe the popular vote should have been put up, because I honestly don't trust the mass vote at all. I think it's stupid.

..Dev buddy this isn't a place like CBR or NF a huge forum full of people of all ages and walks of life willing to contribute and work hard with a strong sense of unity..hell this isn't even like anime vice

this is a Naruto fan forum full of teenagers and preteens who actually think Naruto is a well written quality series..that alone should tell you just how incapable the majority of them are in showing good judgment and taste..

you and I knew this going in..we knew this before we became mods, in your case an S mod and I'm sure the council knows this

so why you trying to dress up a five dollar hooker in a thousand dollar dress and pretend she's a model?

let them have the MOTM..let them turn it into a popularity fest..let them have their prize- this is the will of the users I say we give it them

also we create a second set of multiple awards we give out once or twice a year


that way we have genuine merit based system and what the users all demand here..a popularity contest

let the winners of both stand on their own grounds

Originally Posted by Devroux

If the public poll was it's own separate contest, I wouldn't want to give an award for it other than a badge because, again, it's just an excuse to hand out custom avatars to everyone. If we wanted to do that, we'd just enable custom avatars.

then take away the custom avatars..but leave the other perks - considering what you actually get as an MOTM member (being able to see who reps you? that's standard on any forum where the average users isn't so thin skinned..and all the other perks just seem rather normal)

Originally Posted by Devroux

I'm not against giving people custom avatars. I'm against, "Oh yeah. You had friends, so we'll give you one as congratulations for doing absolutely nothing else." I can go outside and make friends, but I'm not getting an award for that.

agreed

so lets create two contests..one with some legitimate awards

and the MOTM..where they get the standard month long perks a custom badge and their user title and that's that..

and give the others something else

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Devroux

The general public can't be trusted to give awards to people that deserve it. It's whoever they like more, PLUS someone that hasn't won before. It's basically a popular poll in order to hand out the awards like candy. I don't even believe the popular vote should have been put up, because I honestly don't trust the mass vote at all. I think it's stupid.

If the public poll was it's own separate contest, I wouldn't want to give an award for it other than a badge because, again, it's just an excuse to hand out custom avatars to everyone. If we wanted to do that, we'd just enable custom avatars.

I'm not against giving people custom avatars. I'm against, "Oh yeah. You had friends, so we'll give you one as congratulations for doing absolutely nothing else." I can go outside and make friends, but I'm not getting an award for that.

What is the criteria that makes someone an outstanding member and worthy of MoTM then? Bacon won for working on a WS System that hasn't even been implemented yet. I don't remember or even know if there was any justification behind past MoTM's.

No matter how you do it MoTM voting is going to be a popularity contest. The only difference is a forum-wide popularity contest vs. one involving a small faction (the Council). As the system is now, whoever is buddy-buddy with the Council is going to win and that's just how it is. Regular forum members are getting their feathers ruffled because the Council is acting under the pretext that the popular vote actually matters while picking who they wanted anyway and there isn't a good reason why candidate with the largest popular vote didn't win, or the forum members haven't been made privy to this information.

As for custom avatars, what's the big deal? It's not like they're being thrown out like candy. There is only one winner per month and that winner is respected enough to win the contest.

[Divine Rush]

yeah i think regular forum people should be able to win it will boast the confidence and some people would love to get the chance to get awards and be able to get some of the custom avatars and etc that would be nice

[Sagepain]

Why don't we have a Staff of the month (or quater) as well as a "Member of the Month"?

That way, Staff have there own contest so they can be recognized for what they do, while the rest of the forum could enjoy the popularity contest they yearn for.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Sagepain

Why don't we have a Staff of the month (or quater) as well as a "Member of the Month"?

That way, Staff have there own contest so they can be recognized for what they do, while the rest of the forum could enjoy the popularity contest they yearn for.

is the staff really so desperate that we all need to be basically awarded for keeping our promise to do our voluntary job?

it should be a general merit based award not just staff exclusive

[Sagepain]

^ I said that already, but apparently some staff think they do it because they want to. Which is 100% true of course, but its not like they were expected to do nothing either.

*looks at Shikamaru Nara*

[Devroux]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

and you think us staff are immune to cliques or pettiness or just pure idiocy? I mean it's not across the board but we're guilty of all of it..and there's at least two dudes with mod badges that I'm honestly afraid they'd accidentally choke themselves tying their own shoes much less contribute to the MOTM process without suffering brain trauma (though no idea if they're still around or not)

it applies to both sides what you can do with the council is drastically minimize the level of retardation one sees in votes- I'm not disputing your success ratio I'm saying give members and mods who do the amazing things they do..some other form of award and let the users have this..rather meaningless consolation prize

because honestly..there are a lot of users who deserve a lot of props for doing the things they do whether its helping the mods keep the peace or just being active or friendly or helping newbies or whatever and mods and non staff who handle the projects and they should get way more than an MOTM badge and a set of perks

this is what I'm saying..let the council enforce the will of the people..let a separate council determine winners of far more lasting and harder earned prize

No. I never said that. There's a post by a certain admin that blatantly proves that no matter what rank you are in, there is a potential for bias and cliquing. And I agree, there are plenty of mods that should, frankly, have their badges ripped off their bodies, skin and all.

However, the fact of the matter is that I have hand chosen specific people because they're the cream of the crop. (For anyone that's reading this and believes it to be bias, that's not my problem. Learn to have faith that someone can be unbias.) They're the people that I trusted the most with the council so far or wanted to give a chance and the two months+ they've been there, they've done fine.

There are a lot of users that deserve props for the things they do, but that doesn't mean they should be awarded for just making petty conversation around the site, spamming up threads that don't matter in the least, or whatever.

If the council enforces the "will of the people," then it'll just be me giving it to the most popular nominee that probably doesn't deserve it as much as the next guy. Or just me blindly picking someone, because that's virtually the same thing as throwing out prizes.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

..Dev buddy this isn't a place like CBR or NF a huge forum full of people of all ages and walks of life willing to contribute and work hard with a strong sense of unity..hell this isn't even like anime vice

this is a Naruto fan forum full of teenagers and preteens who actually think Naruto is a well written quality series..that alone should tell you just how incapable the majority of them are in showing good judgment and taste..

you and I knew this going in..we knew this before we became mods, in your case an S mod and I'm sure the council knows this

Yeah, I understand that people can't be trusted, but that's exactly why I trust the minority FAR more than the majority and why I believe the popular poll to be a stupid decision to begin with.

The users will complain about anything, no matter what happens.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

so why you trying to dress up a five dollar hooker in a thousand dollar dress and pretend she's a model?

Pretty Woman.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

let them have the MOTM..let them turn it into a popularity fest..let them have their prize- this is the will of the users I say we give it them

also we create a second set of multiple awards we give out once or twice a year

that way we have genuine merit based system and what the users all demand here..a popularity contest

let the winners of both stand on their own grounds

then take away the custom avatars..but leave the other perks - considering what you actually get as an MOTM member (being able to see who reps you? that's standard on any forum where the average users isn't so thin skinned..and all the other perks just seem rather normal)

agreed

so lets create two contests..one with some legitimate awards

and the MOTM..where they get the standard month long perks a custom badge and their user title and that's that..

and give the others something else

I'm fine with separating them into a popular poll with minimal prizes and a contest for people that deserve it, but then you'll have people pissing and moaning about the same damn thing because they wanted to hand out custom avatars.

There is 0 win for the committee/staff.

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

What is the criteria that makes someone an outstanding member and worthy of MoTM then? Bacon won for working on a WS System that hasn't even been implemented yet. I don't remember or even know if there was any justification behind past MoTM's.

No matter how you do it MoTM voting is going to be a popularity contest. The only difference is a forum-wide popularity contest vs. one involving a small faction (the Council). As the system is now, whoever is buddy-buddy with the Council is going to win and that's just how it is. Regular forum members are getting their feathers ruffled because the Council is acting under the pretext that the popular vote actually matters while picking who they wanted anyway and there isn't a good reason why candidate with the largest popular vote didn't win, or the forum members haven't been made privy to this information.

As for custom avatars, what's the big deal? It's not like they're being thrown out like candy. There is only one winner per month and that winner is respected enough to win the contest.

That is a very ill informed post. Your view is straight in line with 99% of the forum because they just don't know the truth about what goes on. Believe it or not, Bacon did more than anyone else on the forum AND has friends. :o

MotM is only a popularity contest when the public is capable of voting because they just plain don't know what happens. You wouldn't even read all of what Bacon posted if I put it out for the entire forum to read because it's a ton of work put into something that may or may not entertain a portion of the userbase. A lot of it is basically IWD's posts, but just Bacon speaking. And a back-and-forth discussion between him and I on how to do things.

The person isn't respected per se, but just liked a lot. And it IS being thrown out like candy if someone that deserves it again won't get it just because they're won before. 1 per month means that the forum is getting closer and closer to a custom avatar for all, which is an issue because people still have a problem with the Illegal Content rule.

Again, I'm fine if the users want a popularity contest, but they best stop pissing and moaning when that's exactly what they're doing. It's hypocritical, and that's the end of the story.

If there's a popularity contest, I'm not handing out prizes that are greatly wanted to people that just do things to be liked. You can bully a user like SNB and be voted, but why in hell would I give a prize like that out to someone who was just an ass to a user all month and made others smile like that?

[Divine Rush]

yes there should be more of a chance for both to win something maby more awards idk how it works thou really

[Devroux]

Originally Posted by Sagepain

Why don't we have a Staff of the month (or quater) as well as a "Member of the Month"?

That way, Staff have there own contest so they can be recognized for what they do, while the rest of the forum could enjoy the popularity contest they yearn for.

Staff of the Month is stupid because as was said, we're doing a voluntary job. You can put together an RP like Bacon did or whatever else without powers too, but people don't want to actually do things and will complain that it's a popularity contest.

Go figure.

Plus, there are plenty of mods that sit on there asses and do nothing, but are capable of keeping their jobs or getting promoted because the higher ups are against demotions (which I have spoken out against plenty of times, but get ignored because I'm a lowly Smod and blah, blah, blah stupidity).

Staff of the Month would basically become like the current MotM, which is awarding people for absolutely nothing. That's why I only trust a few people. Believe it or not, Maik and I have disagreed, but I still trust that he's unbias in most of what he does.

[WishfulFairie]

It seems fair for the staff to get something. Not saying that there should be two different MoTMs like Member of the month or mod of the month
But at least something to commend their work and efforts.
Perhaps, that way, people will stop debating whether the contest is rigged or not.

*Just my little thought there*

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Devroux

No. I never said that. There's a post by a certain admin that blatantly proves that no matter what rank you are in, there is a potential for bias and cliquing. And I agree, there are plenty of mods that should, frankly, have their badges ripped off their bodies, skin and all.

However, the fact of the matter is that I have hand chosen specific people because they're the cream of the crop. (For anyone that's reading this and believes it to be bias, that's not my problem. Learn to have faith that someone can be unbias.) They're the people that I trusted the most with the council so far or wanted to give a chance and the two months+ they've been there, they've done fine.

I don't know who these hand chosen people are except for one and her candidacy enraged the mongooses - so that was a bad choice..the rest I'm sure are all awesome folks though if for any other reason than you've always made good decisions that I have seen sans poor Frosty

Originally Posted by Devroux

There are a lot of users that deserve props for the things they do, but that doesn't mean they should be awarded for just making petty conversation around the site, spamming up threads that don't matter in the least, or whatever.

why not? it's what they want give baby the bottle while making a much more perk friendly and serious and important award

Originally Posted by Devroux

If the council enforces the "will of the people," then it'll just be me giving it to the most popular nominee that probably doesn't deserve it as much as the next guy. Or just me blindly picking someone, because that's virtually the same thing as throwing out prizes.

no we pick the top three or four most voted candidates and debate it out like now..only difference is for us to go against the majority vote we need a two thirds majority in favor of a single opposing candidate

sound fair?

Originally Posted by Devroux

Yeah, I understand that people can't be trusted, but that's exactly why I trust the minority FAR more than the majority and why I believe the popular poll to be a stupid decision to begin with.

but what I'm trying to say is we can have both..and i don't even think the green names would have a problem with it either

Originally Posted by Devroux

The users will complain about anything, no matter what happens.

and even if they get the MOTM back free of the "nepotism" they despise..and a completely separate award system that would still allow a few of them to earn an even bigger prize...they still complain?

Straight up..you all who baww needless can at the crossing of that point..go screw yourselves

Originally Posted by Devroux

Pretty Woman.

who was picked up by a guy with a fondness for fluffy rodents, are you implying the councils taste is as..ermm..broad?

Originally Posted by Devroux

I'm fine with separating them into a popular poll with minimal prizes and a contest for people that deserve it, but then you'll have people pissing and moaning about the same damn thing because they wanted to hand out custom avatars.

and as I said at that point they can go screw themselves - they have both a free ride and a means to prove themselves and if they baww about that? I say we crack out the image macros and mock the hell out of 'em for it...because honestly that'd be just flat out stupid

Originally Posted by Devroux

There is 0 win for the committee/staff.

when dealing with these situation is there ever a time when we don't come off looking like the bad guys? No matter the site or forum? or fandom?

Originally Posted by Devroux

If there's a popularity contest, I'm not handing out prizes that are greatly wanted to people that just do things to be liked. You can bully a user like SNB and be voted, but why in hell would I give a prize like that out to someone who was just an ass to a user all month and made others smile like that?

last night some of the nicest most patient mods and S mods on the forum (oh and I was there too) tried to have a five minute conversation with that guy to see what the drama was all about..

they all left wanting to murder the guy..I'm not saying he's an eagles level troll he's a harmless dumbass but he provokes POP level rageathons in other human beings and it takes a matter of seconds

so I wouldn't exactly call someone wining MOTM simply because they shut his rudy poo candy arse up..a bad thing

I'm not saying its a good ting either its..just damn I haven't seen one clueless kid piss so many people off so quickly in a good while

just laying it out there..not the best of analogies but I understand your point

Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

It seems fair for the staff to get something. Not saying that there should be two different MoTMs like Member of the month or mod of the month
But at least something to commend their work and efforts.
Perhaps, that way, people will stop debating whether the contest is rigged or not.

*Just my little thought there*

it shouldn't be monthly and it shouldn't be only mods..it should be any member staff or otherwise that really busts his hump for his section and for the forum at large

and it should be more than one winner..and say every six months to a year

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I like to make my votes mix it up a little. Most of my votes go evenly between mods and members. My votes just don't always win though. I think the ones I've voted for the last few months have all won, but seriously...

Dev, don't you think you take this a bit too seriously? I mean, if this is what 99% want is it worth it not to please them? I think even giving a trial run will be nice. I mean, it's not like the people they've voted for our bad members. Maybe they didn't do quite as much as second place, but they're still good members.

You're so stressed that you're turning into an extremist.