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Old 02-17-2013, 05:07 PM   #21
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Originally ITachi was compared to Jiraiya now he is compared to Nagato and Pain. Jiraiya has been left behind largely.
Except Nagato said he would've lost to Jiraiya if he had fought all out from the beginning, thus reaffirming the comparison and Jiraiya's hype >.>
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Oro will not let jiryria go sage especially make a song
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Oro will not let jiryria go sage especially make a song
It managed to work with three pains why wouldnt it work with oro (besides edo tensei).
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That is because jiryria had to run and hide to use it. Unless they are in a place where it is easy to hide and gain them it's possible. But those fodder paths could not take Oro
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Oro is stronger... Since jiryria could never beat him
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Itachi also shat his pants at the thought of fighting jiraiya even with kisame on his side. Meanwhile Orochimaru was getting one panelled by this guy. And from what we have seen frog song >oro.(maybe he aquired sennin mode only recently so he couldnt use it against his fights vs oro?)
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That was just an excuse. Itachi did not have the time nor did he want to fight him since Itachi was a good guy. Plus Itachi wasted tskyumi on saskue
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If Itachi wanted to fight he would just use Amaterasu to kill jiryria
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Except Nagato said he would've lost to Jiraiya if he had fought all out from the beginning, thus reaffirming the comparison and Jiraiya's hype >.>
Notice how this all deals with Sage Jiraiya.

Pain is superior to Sage Jiraiya.

However it doesn't mean Jiraiya can't beat Pain if he had bind all of them at the same with Toad Song successfully then they could have lost. Another proposed Jiraiya making 6 shadow clones.

However Jiraiya himself admitted he would have gotten killed against 3 Paths without Toad Song even in Sage Mode.

The crucial part is that if Jiraiya had knowledge on Pain's innerworkings then he would have won because Nagato back then was quite vulnerable.


The point is that now Nagato and Edo Itachi hinting what at least Base Itachi is supposed to be like when healthy seems to up the benchmark even more.

Now Jiraiya hasn't fallen that behind. He can still deal with the edo Kages summoned for example and Kabuto's sage mode has shown that Toad Song is lethal to Itachi potentially.
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Notice how this all deals with Sage Jiraiya.

Pain is superior to Sage Jiraiya.

However it doesn't mean Jiraiya can't beat Pain if he had bind all of them at the same with Toad Song successfully then they could have lost. Another proposed Jiraiya making 6 shadow clones.

However Jiraiya himself admitted he would have gotten killed against 3 Paths without Toad Song even in Sage Mode.

The crucial part is that if Jiraiya had knowledge on Pain's innerworkings then he would have won because Nagato back then was quite vulnerable.


The point is that now Nagato and Edo Itachi hinting what at least Base Itachi is supposed to be like when healthy seems to up the benchmark even more.

Now Jiraiya hasn't fallen that behind. He can still deal with the edo Kages summoned for example and Kabuto's sage mode has shown that Toad Song is lethal to Itachi potentially.
so that we don't go off track, the itachi that fought sasuke would've defeated jiraiya (provided he catches jiraiya before he goes sage mode and pull off frog song). there's just too much hax in those eyeballs. i'm not so sure about the itachi who visited konoha with kisame in part1. i think jiraiya takes him.

but back to the point, oro might be the genius of the two and the more dangerous of the two but that doesn't translate to an autowin if the 2 fights. a pissed off jiraiya i bet could and likely would beat him. we never really got to see his full abilities. when he was fighting pein, he seems to be in recon mode. he pretty much was forced into battle.
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Well Part 2 is all that matters in most cases. Kishimoto has that thing for Itachi.

I tend to see Sage Jiraiya > Orochimaru.

Sage Jiraiya admitted he was going to get killed eventually if he couldn't deal with the 3 Paths. While he was being cautious he was smart enough to admit that he was at a disadvantage against Pain's defensive teamwork.
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Itachi>>>>oro>>>>jiryria

Itachi beats both of them with Amaterasu. They can not counter it. Plus I would love to see trying to fight Itachi without looking into his eyes

What Itachi said to jiryria was bull. Itachi just did not want to kill a fellow good guy

Btw Itachi had Amaterasu in Part I

Oro is immortal. He would win with or without prep. Jiryria needs prep to win this. Oro's boss summonings are just too much. Overall oro has better stats

Oh and jiryria has never beaten oro
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As far as I know Jiryria has not either...and Jiryria always loses to Oro
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Jiraiya has more jutsu and variations than orochimaru I believe he might be stronger plus he had sage mode when's watch jiraiya it's as if he had a jutsu for each situation . As for orochimaru he is a snake so he can shed skin change bodies his jutsu is more creepy jiraiya had good knowledge of seals while orochimaru had knowledge of jutsu tsunade had knowledge of medicine they had strong points which each other didn't have plus orochimaru feared itachi while itachi feared jiraiya so I think if they really fight to the death it would be hard to decide but I personal think jiraiya is stronger .
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Oro has better ninjutsu and speed (slithering snake) and stamina/health and hand signs speed and smarter

Jiryria has better strenght and summonings...thats it
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Jiryria has better strenght and summonings...thats it
And better genjutsu(frog song), and better stamina(sage mode requires an large chakra pool), and a more preferable sexual orientation, and has better overdramatic poses , and seems to have better seals (from what we have seen), and is more likable(although oro still is my favorite character atm), and better barriers etc.

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I. Would say oro has better tank/stamina

After all Oro can get bisected with ease while Jiryria needs prep to have good stamina
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