Did Hashirama and Tobirama screw up?

[InnerSakura]

Me and a friend of mine were arguing about Hashirama and Tobirama. We all know that Tobirama made a huge mistake when he decided to isolate the Uchiha clan. The segregation led to their revolt against the Senju.

However....Hashirama also messed up. By distributing the biju to other lands, he basically fueled the other nation's desire for warfare. That is my opinion. While both Hokage had good intentions, it cannot be ignored that their decisions led to the greatest downfall of the shinobi world.

Hashirama and Tobirama are both amazing, that is true. But does anyone else think that all of the bloodshed could have been prevented if Hashirama and/or Tobirama had handled things a little better?

Discuss.

[ko lee]

I say no, because though it may be true they made a mistake alot has to be considered. If Hashirama had Kept the Bijuu to only the leaf it could be easily depicted that the other village would become envious of one village having so much power meaning that instead of multiple villages fighting everyone would want to end the leaf. it has been depicted in history that anytime a nation grows to rich in power tragedy follows fast and hard. It could have made the leaf end up ending every other villages history or genocide for the leaf. His plan was to disperse them to grow faith with in each village having each other have the same power. I would place blame on those who misused this power. Plus it made it harder for the akatsuki to gain them. So though it was a misused judgement it was probably the best thing that could have been done.

Tobirama on the other hand is harder to debate. It was a very poor judgement that could have saved a genocide. The only thing I can say is no one could know if Tobirama deep fear could have been well placed for some. The reason i say this is who is to say that some members of the leaf could have fueled the revolt to happen faster. I say this only because as human being some of us fear the unknown meaning there fear could have caused fights between them mistreatment and envious of the supposed great power. It could have ended up butting heads to the point of no return. But let me say that is a speculation, we will never know. If everyone was like Kushina and Minato we wouldn't even be able to speculate that it was a bad idea but there werestill members of society that only fear the unknown proof being Danzo and the dumb advisors. So it was a Mistake but I have a theory on whose truly to blame.

The guy that crushed Obito's body. You see if Obito wouldn't have been injured he could have been there to protect Rin for himself and maybe knowning the truth behind that story of kakashi and killing Rin. Which Lead to his revolt on the leaf which lead to the death of Minato and Kushina. Who I truly believe could have solvedthe situation between the Leaf and the Uchihas. He just Didn't get enough time.

I am not discrediting your thread its a well thought question and even though I am newly back to this forum I have much respect for you InnerSakura. I woukd never make a joke of any of your threads.

So to summarize I truly believe in the cas of Hashiram Senju he did what was probably best for his situation, even though the beast caused war it also prevent the any foe from easily getting his hands on them for the Juubi because remember Madara was still alive and he was preventing a terrible situation. In the cas of Tobirama Senju his is truly a harder case to defend and there is a better option then what he chose but whos to say that it wouldn't happened no matter what. He was prejudice and made a bad decision but with people like Danzo out there whose to say it wouldn't have been forced in other ways that lead to more death. I believe that no matter what was decided that bad was still to come because trials must be passed before peace can truly be found.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Did Hashirama really distribute the bijuus?

[konoha chimp]

I think Hashirama was right to distribute the Biju to other lands as it created the Shinobi as what it is And without that happening, rouge organizations or only the leaf would have the Biju leading to even more war or a diplomatic Shinobi world.

Tobirama seems a little.. uptight I don't blame him for being cautious of the Uchiha but I think yeah he did make a mistake, he shouldn't of persecuted the Uchiha things would've went a lot better if Hashirama was still alive then.

[ko lee]

Originally Posted by konoha chimp

I think Hashirama was right to distribute the Biju to other lands as it created the Shinobi as what it is And without that happening, rouge organizations or only the leaf would have the Biju leading to even more war or a diplomatic Shinobi world.

Tobirama seems a little.. uptight I don't blame him for being cautious of the Uchiha but I think yeah he did make a mistake, he shouldn't of persecuted the Uchiha things would've went a lot better if Hashirama was still alive then.

Or Minato considering he was best friends with an Uchiha.

[PrinceofPeace]

Am I the friend IS?

And for the poll you should have put hashirama or tobirama.

Tobirama mad the more and bigger mistakes.


Hashirama had to distribute the bijju. It was a sign of peace and trust. Plus common knowledge states that its not safe to hold nuke level beasts in one area. Plus enemy ninja would attack them for their power

[InnerSakura]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Am I the friend IS?

And for the poll you should have put hashirama or tobirama.

Tobirama mad the more and bigger mistakes.


Hashirama had to distribute the bijju. It was a sign of peace and trust. Plus common knowledge states that its not safe to hold nuke level beasts in one area. Plus enemy ninja would attack them for their power

Yes Peace you are the friend. lol.

[InnerSakura]

But as I stated on your profile Peace, I know Hashirama had good intentions. He did distribute the biju as a peace offering. However. He knew that the other lands were not friendly toward each other. Handing biju to other villages is like handing nuclear bombs to countries at war and telling them "now, make peace with each other."

How do you think that would go? I know Hashirama couldnt have been that derpy. So there had to have been something going through his mind when he gave the biju away.

[ko lee]

Originally Posted by InnerSakura

But as I stated on your profile Peace, I know Hashirama had good intentions. He did distribute the biju as a peace offering. However. He knew that the other lands were not friendly toward each other. Handing biju to other villages is like handing nuclear bombs to countries at war and telling them "now, make peace with each other."

How do you think that would go? I know Hashirama couldnt have been that derpy. So there had to have been something going through his mind when he gave the biju away.

The only thing what is option 2 Keep them for him self those so the other villages attack them knowing of there power. Option 3 Let the loose so they can run rampart at the time all they did was destroy when they were loose none were befriended. This was the only way he could work it to one ensure his own village members safety, to ensure that the bijuu were under control not just killing any and everything, he held faith for human beings would utilize
them deferentially, and to ensure that there power couldn't fall in the wrongs hands because in a sense it made it decently dificult for the akasuki to get them considering every village fought to protect there war weapon. Just think if they all would have been in a general location for Tobito to be like mine enter juubi everyone are now moon puppets. I mean what option do you find more befitting to solve what happened because what you believe to be a mistake could have been the only option.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by InnerSakura

But as I stated on your profile Peace, I know Hashirama had good intentions. He did distribute the biju as a peace offering. However. He knew that the other lands were not friendly toward each other. Handing biju to other villages is like handing nuclear bombs to countries at war and telling them "now, make peace with each other."

How do you think that would go? I know Hashirama couldnt have been that derpy. So there had to have been something going through his mind when he gave the biju away.

It was not just for peace.

Giving the bijju away was the only option.

Just like you said the bijjus are nukes. Keeping nukes in one area is dangerous.

Keeping the bijju would mean they have power... TOO much power. The other villages would constantly attack the leaf trying to steal the nukes. Also the bijju are swords than nukes because its hard to contain. Not everyone wants to be a jinjuiki and not everyone can contain them. It's too dangerous.

[konoha chimp]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

It was not just for peace.

Giving the bijju away was the only option.

Just like you said the bijjus are nukes. Keeping nukes in one area is dangerous.

Keeping the bijju would mean they have power... TOO much power. The other villages would constantly attack the leaf trying to steal the nukes. Also the bijju are swords than nukes because its hard to contain. Not everyone wants to be a jinjuiki and not everyone can contain them. It's too dangerous.

I'm not sure about you Prince but if I there was a village that owned "Nukes" the last thing I would be doing is attacking them

[Vivi]

Tobirama can be seen as the most absolute person of backfiring.

Founded the Chuunin Exams:
Gave Oto and Suna the chance to attack.

Founded ANBU:
Which by logic was the building stone to Root who are known for comitting dirty jobs.

Created Edo Tensei:
Self explainantory.

Founded the Uchiha Police:
Again self explainantory.

He did set up the Academy though that did good.

Well and we know he hates the Uchiha which didn't really help the sparking tension either.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by konoha chimp

I'm not sure about you Prince but if I there was a village that owned "Nukes" the last thing I would be doing is attacking them

Huh elaborate please

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Huh elaborate please

Just imagine the Vatican vs Korea or Iran.

[ko lee]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Just imagine the Vatican vs Korea or Iran.

That's a great analogy,Vivi.

[PrinceofPeace]

Huh????????????!!!!!??????!?!!???

[ko lee]

He was expressing that fear will be the biggest factor knowing that there opponents has a stronger weapon (nukes), as opposed to it being driven by envy and wanting the power
(nukes) for themselves.

[PrinceofPeace]

Right!?

[ko lee]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Right!?

I am sorry, I am now confused by what you are meaning or asking. I can Try to help elaborate, but I need to know what you need to know.

[PrinceofPeace]

Is he...hashirama