Orochimaru's Edo tensei.

[BMC1994]

Quoting from chapter 620:

''You've indeed perfected my jutsu but you have made it too effecient you have brouhgt us back at virtually full strenght.'' - Tobirama Senju, 2nd Hokage.

Can we now finally get rid of the dumb and stupid assumption that orochimarus edo tensei revives people much weaker then kabutos variant. Kabutos variant is only superior in the amount of zombies and the control he has over that superior amount of zombies. There is no significant difference between the strenght of of the zombies of orochimarus edo tensei and kabutos edo tensei.

And before you say he worked on it during the timeskip it would be hard to do as he couldnt use it due to not having his soul arms.

As for orochimaru having gained hashi cells (seriously they probably sell them at a wal mart who doesnt have them these days). Its was clearly stated to it only strenghtened the restraining properties of the edo tensei not the overal strenght of the zombies.

Also this means a retirement hiruzen took probably the 2 strongest kages in the series and orochimaru (another kage level ninja) and actually stalemated.(even if orochimaru was playing around its still very impressive.

Its a good day for hiruzen.

All hail hiruzen Shin God of shinobi.

/yesiamanhiruzenfanboy.

But wanted to clear this up this i first came here now there is actual solid proof to do it.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Quoting from chapter 620:

''You've indeed perfected my jutsu but you have made it too effecient you have brouhgt us back at virtually full strenght.'' - Tobirama Senju, 2nd Hokage.

Can we now finally get rid of the dumb and stupid assumption that orochimarus edo tensei revives people much weaker then kabutos variant. Kabutos variant is only superior in the amount of zombies and the control he has over that superior amount of zombies. There is no significant difference between the strenght of of the zombies of orochimarus edo tensei and kabutos edo tensei.

And before you say he worked on it during the timeskip it would be hard to do as he couldnt use it due to not having his soul arms.

As for orochimaru having gained hashi cells (seriously they probably sell them at a wal mart who doesnt have them these days). Its was clearly stated to it only strenghtened the restraining properties of the edo tensei not the overal strenght of the zombies.

Also this means a retirement hiruzen took probably the 2 strongest kages in the series and orochimaru (another kage level ninja) and actually stalemated.(even if orochimaru was playing around its still very impressive.

Its a good day for hiruzen.

All hail hiruzen Shin God of shinobi.

/yesiamanhiruzenfanboy.

But wanted to clear this up this i first came here now there is actual solid proof to do it.

But both Hashirama and Tobirama were way weaker when they fought Hiruzen. Even Tobirama said so!!!

[BMC1994]

They never said that since their personalitys were erased after they did their one liners.(pts)

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Can we now finally get rid of the dumb and stupid assumption that orochimarus edo tensei revives people much weaker then kabutos variant.

Kabuto said he exceeded in the mastery on all areas of Edo Tensei beyond Orochimaru and Tobirama.

Orochimaru absorbed his own chakra back from Kabuto and with that he also took back his skills with it too which included Kabuto's greater mastery.

He also remembered what Kabuto knew about White Zetsu spores.

In Narutoverse, chakra is everything not the brain necessarily.
Look at Sasori who had no brain.

As for orochimaru having gained hashi cells (seriously they probably sell them at a wal mart who doesnt have them these days).

His new body is the Zetsu Clone thats why he has Hashirama cells.

even if orochimaru was playing around its still very impressive.

He implied that he was.

Its a good day for hiruzen.

Not yet.

All hail hiruzen Shin God of shinobi.

Yet Suigetsu and Orochimaru each called Hashirama that for the past two chapters now and Hiruzen was ignored.

[konoha chimp]

I hope to god Hashirama and Tobirama were weakened during their fight with Hiruzen otherwise they look like the some of the weakest Kages we've seen yet

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Kabuto said he exceeded in the mastery on all areas of Edo Tensei beyond Orochimaru and Tobirama.

Orochimaru absorbed his own chakra back from Kabuto and with that he also took back his skills with it too which included Kabuto's greater mastery.

He also remembered what Kabuto knew about White Zetsu spores.

In Narutoverse, chakra is everything not the brain necessarily.
Look at Sasori who had no brain.

Not yet.

Yet Suigetsu and Orochimaru each called Hashirama that for the past two chapters now and Hiruzen was ignored.

Dont remember him saying that just that he perfected even orochimarus version but the only visible thing far superior is the amount of control he has and how many edo tensei zombies he can control.

Orochimaru taking back his own power doesnt mean he gains kabutos. He clearly did manage to also take kabuto knowledge which is different then actual skill. And orochimaru version is visually different then kabutos when he explained it to obito.

Did you forget the manga is about uchiha and senju offcourse one who isnt of the lineage gets less screen time (like minato)

Originally Posted by konoha chimp

I hope to god Hashirama and Tobirama were weakened during their fight with Hiruzen otherwise they look like the some of the weakest Kages we've seen yet

As oro said himself he was playing around doesnt make it less impressive though fighting off 3 kage level ninja and not dying instantly.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Dont remember him saying that just that he perfected even orochimarus version but the only visible thing far superior is the amount of control he has and how many edo tensei zombies he can control.

Tobirama implied that they were brought back in a weaker state.

Orochimaru taking back his own power doesnt mean he gains kabutos. He clearly did manage to also take kabuto knowledge which is different then actual skill. And orochimaru version is visually different then kabutos when he explained it to obito.

Then how did Orochimaru perform the improved Edo Tensei?

Did you forget the manga is about uchiha and senju offcourse one who isnt of the lineage gets less screen time (like minato)

The point is that Hiruzen as of now is excluded unti further notice.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Tobirama implied that they were brought back in a weaker state.



Then how did Orochimaru perform the improved Edo Tensei?



The point is that Hiruzen as of now is excluded unti further notice.

How?

He didnt, he used his own version. He doesnt gain kabutos skills, just his knowledge.

True

[321zigzag3]

The chapter pretty much states that Edo Tensei was utilized in a weaker fashion due to inferior mastery of it if I recall.

[BMC1994]

Oros first use in part 1 or the current? (i just read the part 1 version , tobirama just goes 'omg you haz mastered my jutsu you must be smart' then their personality gets wiped.)

[321zigzag3]

Of course Orochimaru mastered it but even the word master is a relative to the user.

Kabuto took it to extreme further.

I was talking about the latest chapter.


The more powerful the ninja is, the harder to revive them in a perfect state. Kabuto made extensive modification to Madara to bring him back to his prime state and beyond.

[PrinceofPeace]

So let me get this stright....

The hokages Hiruzen fought were not at full power

Oro has the best ET as of now

Before Oro came back Kabuto had the best form of ET

Kabuto's ET are not at full powr

[Devils Lawyer]

Like zig said he improved his technique because of Kabuto.