Dangai Ichigo vs BM Naruto

[Shisko Shi]

Hold up... Shouldn't this be in the Singleverse? Not Multiverse?

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Hold up... Shouldn't this be in the Singleverse? Not Multiverse?

Why? Both fighters are from different Manga!!!

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Since he can casually jump a couple of kilometers.

ch 610 says he is not dodging it all. T

Honestly i want to know what the criteria are for mountain size. there is a difference between the smallest mountains(about 43 meters above its surroudings) and the k2 8+ kilometers in height).

And again the man jumped distances bm cannot not even hope to reach. And not mention in basically no time.

ch 572 pg2 mountains a skyline view pf what mountains actually look like. What Ichigo sliced was a plateu still pretty large but nowhere near an actual mountain.

What are you talking about Naruto was skyline dancing with pa. ch 420 pg 2 Mind you bm is faster still also ch 610 as I said.

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

You have seen the size of the explosion and the size of the hole after the explosion aizens shock is a non-factor here.

Because we know the exact size of of that explosion. -.- , you cant tell me there is an reliable way to measure that. Especially if that got calculated the same way as the pain path being faster then an attack just because he dodged it. (wrong assumption)

Are you serious? The explosion was so tall that even from karakura town perspective it didnt fit in the panel.(which should be atleast a km away from what i see).

Im very sceptical about these calcs and also very sceptical of these city level/country level statements i mean what do you take as standard here. There is a big difference between lets say amsterdam and LA. And if you use an range that large that says nothing aboput the attack in that class.

We have seen the diameter of the hole, which was partially created by the shockwave. There is no "non-factor" here if the Fragor wasn't an outright vertical explosion.

We don't know the exact size of the explosion, so we're using what we know definitely, instead of speculating any further. Any speculation is unreliable and negligible.

Pain didn't just dodged it, he outran it. It'd be different if Deva Pain moved his head out of the way of the FRS. But it was seen that he reacted to it, and curved around it (along with his other paths) as the FRS was just about to hit him. We also see Human Path intercepting the FRS for Animal Path. We also see Deva path jumping above the FRS just as it was less than a meter away from it. The Pains have many FRS-timing feats and there has been clear-cut evidence that Deva Pain, and likely the other Pains, are faster than the FRS.

And the height of the Fragor could well be above 1km. Still wouldn't prove its attack power, as it's been proven many times in Bleach that attack power =/= AoE/size.

10km diameter for a city. 100km diameter for a country.
You want it in terms of TNT? Megatons for city and teratons for country.

All we can say is that a Fragor is a nigh-city level attack. We cannot, under any possible circumstances, say anything more than that. because anything more than that is just pure speculation.

A decent mountain is typically around 1km. We're looking at something very near that for the mountains that the Bijuus busted.
Not so much for the mountain that Ichigo busted.

It isn'thow wide and the size of the AoE. But the power in it.

You're not going anywhere with this, seeing as it's precisely because Fragor lacks enough detail to certify that its attack power is beyond that of a TBB. We directly see a TBB's AoE AND its attack power (it blew up a mountain). Its attack power is certified. The only thing Fragor did is make a crater.

He barly took the blast? Dude you saw that. That thank burnt his arm. That dosn't mean he can't use it. It just got the skin it barly hurt him.

No, no, no. "Tank." Tank =/= Took. Tanking means to take an attack with minor damage. Already we're stretching the definition of "tank" here, but that doesn't matter.
No, it does mean that he can't use it, seeing as Aizen specifically stated that Ichigo would not be able to use that arm anymore. Further supported by the fact that he never did (until he transformed to Getsuga).

It took his torso cloths off? Really? Bankai or not it isn't freakin armour. It is a peice of linin cloth. Of course it was torn off. Plus it is a way to show power I think in Animes.

Not really my main argument here, but alright.

Aizen Tanked Mugestu?? The guy is Immortal of couse he can. If he wasn't he'd be dead..... I thought that was clear to everyone.

Somewhat. Better to use "withstood." Him being immortal is a vague statement, as we don't know exactly how "immortal" he is other than agelessness and probably high -regeneration. Even without regeneration, his body was tough enough to take Mugetsu and survive. There was a huge split behind his back, but other than that, with a little regeneration, he got back up just fine.
If Mugetsu killed Aizen, or at least splattered his body (but then regenerated), we have a better argument in saying that BM Naruto will be put down by Mugetsu. But that didn't matter. Aizen lacks the durability feats to compete with BM Naruto's durability, and it doesn't help that Mugetsu had minimal impact on the environment it was unleashed on.

How would a TBB kill Ichigo? He can just avoid it. Or slash it with his sword. Just because he never did it to Aizen means nothing. He knew Aizen was FAR from his level so he tanked the attack. Not because it was strong. He didn't care. It allowed Aizen to get up close thinking that.Aizen said it couln't be used. Just like he thought he was the most powerful thing ever. Guess what he i wrong. He is a coky Butt hole. He tanked the ENitre blast on that one arm. not body. But the arm, forarm to be correct.

How would he avoid it? TBB's have an AoE of a kilometer or so. Disregarding expansion rate, we also have to prove that Ichigo is a long-distance speedster in the first place for 1km. Why would Ichigo avoid it when he has no working knowledge? The most logical outcome would be him standing there, thinking he can tank an innocent ball coming his way, until it explodes into a multi-mountain buster.
Ichigo still barely tanked a Fragor. Which hasn't been proven to be a mountain buster.

[JLI2infinity]

Why is everyone acting like Ichigo can't just flash step behind Naruto to avoid the TBB. The TBB has the disadvantage of being a unidirectional attack. Unless people are suggesting that Naruto blows himself up everytime he tries to fire off some TBBs, Ichigo can just shunpo behind him. And I hope people are also not assuming Naruto can take even a single sword slash from Ichigo considering the durability of bijuu against slashing attacks is far from impressive. Bee's lost his tails a bunch of times, very recently to shuriken and Naruto got his BM form tails cut up a few chapters ago.

Back in SS one sword slash from an eyepatched Kenpachi cut a skyscraper diagonally. Dangai Ichigo is leagues above that kind of display. So basically this fight comes down to who gets hit first.

Considering the charge up time (which some people are ignoring) and the unidirectional nature of the attack I'm gonna say that Ichigo has the best chance of landing his blow first. I really don't see the talk about Aizen fragors and durability being necessary here.

[Devils Lawyer]

Ch 610 calls your charge claim false. They were having a db like ki blast fight. Have to use visuals against you. Also I see you concede on the frs.

[Noctis Arashi]

Except that Naruto can easily tank his own TBB and Ichigo can't.

[JLI2infinity]

@Noctis Arashi. A TBB explosion isn't the same is a slashing attack. Also, like I said that assumes Naruto is planning on getting caught up in his own explosion.

[Devils Lawyer]

Naruto can withstand his own explosion..

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Why is everyone acting like Ichigo can't just flash step behind Naruto to avoid the TBB. The TBB has the disadvantage of being a unidirectional attack. Unless people are suggesting that Naruto blows himself up everytime he tries to fire off some TBBs, Ichigo can just shunpo behind him. And I hope people are also not assuming Naruto can take even a single sword slash from Ichigo considering the durability of bijuu against slashing attacks is far from impressive. Bee's lost his tails a bunch of times, very recently to shuriken and Naruto got his BM form tails cut up a few chapters ago.

Prove Ichigo is a long distance/1km+ speedster. Prove that he won't just try to tank it without knowledge.

Back in SS one sword slash from an eyepatched Kenpachi cut a skyscraper diagonally. Dangai Ichigo is leagues above that kind of display. So basically this fight comes down to who gets hit first.

Just because Dangai Ichigo is worlds stronger than a patched kenpachi who cut skyscrapers doesn't put him anywhere near city/mountain level with his sword slashes.

Considering the charge up time (which some people are ignoring) and the unidirectional nature of the attack I'm gonna say that Ichigo has the best chance of landing his blow first. I really don't see the talk about Aizen fragors and durability being necessary here.

Uh no, the charge time is insignificant, which is why it has yet to be mentioned. This isn't KN6 Naruto, you know.
BM Naruto and Current hachibi has shown incredibly quick charge rate for the TBB prior firing.
Ichigo can land whatever blow he wants first. Not gonna hurt Naruto. Not going to allow him to survive a TBB.

Also, like I said that assumes Naruto is planning on getting caught up in his own explosion.

Seeing as Naruto tanked a TBB-beam from the Juubi that's far more powerful than his own TBB, an explosion won't do much to him.
It'll do much to Ichigo, however.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

Prove Ichigo is a long distance/1km+ speedster. Prove that he won't just try to tank it without knowledge.

Standing at least 200 meters away "I'm coming Aizen."proceeds to blitz Aizen, I think that's good enough evidence.

Just because Dangai Ichigo is worlds stronger than a patched kenpachi who cut skyscrapers doesn't put him anywhere near city/mountain level with his sword slashes.

He doesn't need to be city / mountain level It's about the nature of the attack. The bijuu are weak against cutting attacks. Bee just recently got one of his tails cut off by a shuriken used by Obito (which definitely wasn't cutting through a skyscraper let alone a mountain) Naruto also got his bijuu form tails cut off a few chapters ago (also against a technique that probably isn't slashing through a skyscraper). And the only slashing attack we've seen in the Narutoverse more powerful than the ones in the Bleachverse was Madara's ridiculous Perfect Susano'o sword which split a mountain in half.

Uh no, the charge time is insignificant, which is why it has yet to be mentioned. This isn't KN6 Naruto, you know.
BM Naruto and Current hachibi has shown incredibly quick charge rate for the TBB prior firing.

Charge time is fast, but not instantaneous, still time to react.

Ichigo can land whatever blow he wants first. Not gonna hurt Naruto. Not going to allow him to survive a TBB.

If A's hand can cut off Hachibi's horn and wood spikes can cut off Naruto's tails what do you think Ichigo's sword is gonna do?

Seeing as Naruto tanked a TBB-beam from the Juubi that's far more powerful than his own TBB, an explosion won't do much to him.
It'll do much to Ichigo, however.

When did I say Naruto couldnt tank his own explosion? All I said was that he's not planning on blowing himself up so saying he can tank his own bijuudama is pointless.

In red.

[Shisko Shi]

Hills or not... He did it just by a swing. IF he was swinging as hard as possible he might destroy everything.

ALL his SP, (ANd he had a massive amount even stated by Byakuya of a royle gaurd lvl)

And transfered into physical strength.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Hills or not... He did it just by a swing. IF he was swinging as hard as possible he might destroy everything.

ALL his SP, (ANd he had a massive amount even stated by Byakuya of a royle gaurd lvl)

And transfered into physical strength.

Not to mention it was an blocked swing (by aizen).

He never did that aizen just assumed that happened. Later he realized he couldnt sense any power because ichigo had transcended even beyond aizen.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Hills or not... He did it just by a swing. IF he was swinging as hard as possible he might destroy everything.

ALL his SP, (ANd he had a massive amount even stated by Byakuya of a royle gaurd lvl)

And transfered into physical strength.

That doesn't matter bm went head up against the juubi attacks and was blocking attacks of a much higher caliber. mountains or large hills as you say it>>>>>one small plateu

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Hills or not... He did it just by a swing. IF he was swinging as hard as possible he might destroy everything.

ALL his SP, (ANd he had a massive amount even stated by Byakuya of a royle gaurd lvl)

And transfered into physical strength.

that argument doesnt work

[Nigoyukai]

Standing at least 200 meters away "I'm coming Aizen."proceeds to blitz Aizen, I think that's good enough evidence.

Are you in the right thread?

He doesn't need to be city / mountain level It's about the nature of the attack. The bijuu are weak against cutting attacks. Bee just recently got one of his tails cut off by a shuriken used by Obito (which definitely wasn't cutting through a skyscraper let alone a mountain) Naruto also got his bijuu form tails cut off a few chapters ago (also against a technique that probably isn't slashing through a skyscraper). And the only slashing attack we've seen in the Narutoverse more powerful than the ones in the Bleachverse was Madara's ridiculous Perfect Susano'o sword which split a mountain in half.

HACHIBI is weak against cutting attacks simply becuz he was portrayed to be such. The Kyuubi, however, has no such weakness, in fact I recall him tanking at least one Rasen-Shurikens from Naruto while they were fighting in his mind.
Give me the chapter where his tails were cut off.

Charge time is fast, but not instantaneous, still time to react.

How is Ichigo going to react to the TBB? he only has two options. Stand around there, without knowledge of the TBB's power, to tank it. Or come at Naruto throwing shockwaves that won't hurt him. And you still have to prove that Ichigo is a 1km+ speedster, given that a lot of "speeds" in fiction are just bursts of speeds over short-distances. Maintaining that same speed over 1km is the problem here.

If A's hand can cut off Hachibi's horn and wood spikes can cut off Naruto's tails what do you think Ichigo's sword is gonna do?

When did I say Naruto couldnt tank his own explosion? All I said was that he's not planning on blowing himself up so saying he can tank his own bijuudama is pointless.

Except he's not blowing himself off, because he can tank the explosion. Is Naruto not bloodlusted?

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

Are you in the right thread?


HACHIBI is weak against cutting attacks simply becuz he was portrayed to be such. The Kyuubi, however, has no such weakness, in fact I recall him tanking at least one Rasen-Shurikens from Naruto while they were fighting in his mind.
Give me the chapter where his tails were cut off.






How is Ichigo going to react to the TBB? he only has two options. Stand around there, without knowledge of the TBB's power, to tank it. Or come at Naruto throwing shockwaves that won't hurt him. And you still have to prove that Ichigo is a 1km+ speedster, given that a lot of "speeds" in fiction are just bursts of speeds over short-distances. Maintaining that same speed over 1km is the problem here.







Except he's not blowing himself off, because he can tank the explosion. Is Naruto not bloodlusted?

1.) It has nothing to do with being "portrayed as" weak against them. Bee's gotten his horns cut off by a slash Dangai Ichigo could probably block barehanded. I don't know how you can say Kurama wouldn't get hurt by that same attack when he's never been hit with it. A slash has all of it's power focused into a small surface area. It's not like a large AoE blast, slashes are extreme amounts of pressure being focused onto a plane. Shukaku's gotten its arm cut off by Gamabunta's sword, Bee's gotten his horns cut off by A's chop he's also gotten stabbed by the Gobi. Physically speaking the Hachibi should be on par with Kurama durability wise (unless you have some durability feats for Kurama that exceed Gyuki's since everyone's been assuming Naruto can tank a bijuudama because Bee can, and I guess also because of that unclear panel where he and Bee kinda combined to tank one from the Juubi). Kurama's just never been in a situation where he had to take on a cutting attack.

2.) I was only going with the 1km thing because you brought it up I have no idea where that number came from, I'm assuming it's the blast radius of a bijuudama. The starting distance for the BGs is nowhere near that far. All Ichigo has to do is shunpo behind Naruto. Naruto isn't going to blow himself up because that's not a fighting style he's ever used. Whatever direction Naruto is firing from Ichigo shunpos to the opposite one. We've seen Bee in full Hachibi form dodge a bijuudama so saying Ichigo can't is kind of ridiculous. Let me try to give a visual since everyone seems to get tripped up when I try to explain this verbally

N=Naruto, B= Bijuudama, I=Ichigo

N-B (charging)----------------I

-shunpo-

I---N (fired) ------------------B

It doesn't matter if Naruto fires one or five the fact that it's a unidirectional attack means that Ichigo can dodge it as long as he's not in Naruto's field of vision.

[Devils Lawyer]

Again no charge time for smaller mb which Ichigo can't tank. Naruto let off a decent volley that would obliterate the whole entire battlefield. Ichigo has nowhere to run. Even if he could out run it.

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

that argument doesnt work

it doesn't since it is based on AOE. and for that matter, any argument you or your associates have spewed whether here or at OBD does not work either

you have to examine the attack potency of characters; you cannot scale from AOE as if that is definitively indicative of characters attack potency, that is a backwards and dishonest manner of going about these matters

[Devils Lawyer]

The attack vaporizes mountains. Key word vaporize. Solid stone and sediment. Not one kido blast does that. That is much more powerful than anything dangai ichigo has used. Its not even a fight really. The fox energy was capable of busting out of ct which was big as amountain in the first place. Bm surpasses him in every category except probably speed. Ichigo cant even hurt it. You dont even need calcs to say who is stronger. This crap is obvious.