Spoiler Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS?

[scallanan]

Originally Posted by DrKage

It's clearly a mistake because there are exactly 0 reasons for Sasuke to show a regular MS. What's the point? He's not going to use it because it will deteriorate his eye sight. And if he's trying to show the Hokages that he's a bad ass Uchiha, why not go with your more powerful eyes? It's not like Tobirama would be able to identify a Mangyekou Sharingan while an EMS would all of a sudden prove unrecognizable. Is Sasuke going to shock the Edo-Hokage in a battle? It doesn't get him anything because there's no new powers associated with it, and since the Senju have already battled Madara, who had EMS, nothing Sasuke would be likely to manifest would prove shocking, advantageous or anything like that.

These are the stages of the sharingan. As the conversation unfolds more truth, sasuke will eventually show them his EMs. It'll be used as symbolism to show us how far sasuke has gone into that realm of darkness (in stages).

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by DrKage

It's clearly a mistake because there are exactly 0 reasons for Sasuke to show a regular MS. What's the point? He's not going to use it because it will deteriorate his eye sight. And if he's trying to show the Hokages that he's a bad ass Uchiha, why not go with your more powerful eyes? It's not like Tobirama would be able to identify a Mangyekou Sharingan while an EMS would all of a sudden prove unrecognizable. Is Sasuke going to shock the Edo-Hokage in a battle? It doesn't get him anything because there's no new powers associated with it, and since the Senju have already battled Madara, who had EMS, nothing Sasuke would be likely to manifest would prove shocking, advantageous or anything like that.

that overconfidence without any logic... you say "what's the point". you're willing to bet your argument on a mistake even after clearly showing you a more logical path... I'll make sure to find you when this is revealed...

Lol...only you would show your most badass power the first time...kishi doesn't think like that... when madara was revealed, did u see him use his Rinnegan the first time he appeared?!...did u even see him use EMS the first time? get used to the writer's intent already...

Have you been understanding what you've been reading so far... didn't you here itachi explained that a transplanted eye (Itachi's) would find new light in the new host and never go blind...so even if sasuke switches to MS, it's still Itachi's eyes that's found light and would never go blind...Jeez...this is simple enough...

And another misunderstanding you have... the EMS get's a new power! Sasuke should have a new power apart from the susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi... read chp 386 pg 9... Itachi comments concerning Madara"But that was only half of the story... The transplant gave birth to a COMPLETELY NEW ocular power"... so obviously, Madara has some other extra EMS power we don't know. So does sasuke... now, please, do me a favor and research a little before writing stuff you're uncertain about

[DrKage]

Except the only new power is not going blind, which isn't likely to happen over the course of one battle. And you gotta remember, these two Senju battled Madara. You think they would be impressed by just some new Uchiha with an MS? The Senjus would know just about every battle trick the EMS had from battling with Madara on many occasions.

By your logic then, Madara was revealed to have a Rinnegan and using it all so he could go backwards to his EMS and a new as-yet-unseen power that you're alluding to in ch 386? And Madara never used his own regular MS. By your logic, he should have started with his MS and worked his way up to EMS and then to Rinnegan, unless you're saying that the new uber-EMS jutsu is bigger and better than control over life and death that the Rinnegan contains.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by DrKage

Except the only new power is not going blind, which isn't likely to happen over the course of one battle. And you gotta remember, these two Senju battled Madara. You think they would be impressed by just some new Uchiha with an MS? The Senjus would know just about every battle trick the EMS had from battling with Madara on many occasions.
How can a new power be "not going blind"? That sounds foolish...I go through the trouble of finding you a chp reference and that's what you come up with...u just wanna be right don't you...

let me quote this to you: Itachi "He plugged both eyes from his younger brothers head... Light returned to Madara's world, and the darkness never came again. A permanent Mangekyou Sharingan. By changing host, his younger brother's eyes found an inextinguishable light...But that was only half of the story... The transplant also gave birth to a new eye technique. chp 386 pg 8 & 9

Ok..stop there... to say that is only half of the story means what comes after is different from the former right... so if Itachi said, there was a birth of a completely new eye technique, how can anyone in their right mind say, it's the same as madara not going blind...how's that an eye technique...not going blind...that's just stupid. Say, if senju dna would keep tobi from going blind, would you call his MS having a new eye technique...jeez...

You sure are unbelievable...the fact that the two brothers may have fought an uchiha with ms doesn't mean it's no big deal for them...why don't you pitch them against tobi without them knowing his kamui ability and see what happens to them... that's a terrible conclusion you came up with!

By your logic then, Madara was revealed to have a Rinnegan and using it all so he could go backwards to his EMS and a new as-yet-unseen power that you're alluding to in ch 386? And Madara never used his own regular MS. By your logic, he should have started with his MS and worked his way up to EMS and then to Rinnegan, unless you're saying that the new uber-EMS jutsu is bigger and better than control over life and death that the Rinnegan contains.
... I'm not applying any sequence of manifestation here...my point is that the most badass isn't revealed immediately...as to the sequence, whether from ms, to ems to rinnegan, i did now make any such suggestion...you're the one speculating that now for the purpose of your argument.

Dude...if you're not a man of logic but bent upon winning, i don't have any interest in debating ok... Even when I'm wrong, i don't hesitate to step down my opinion in the face of better reasoning... i'm more interested in coming to a resolve not winning... okay

[DrKage]

If I'm wrong and Kishi writes in some major plot point about it, fine by me. I would enjoy the heck out of reading what he comes up with. Ultimately, we're just debating a manga on the internet, not exactly earth shattering.

[kalmeast]

^ lol...OTOH, i think it's an earth shattering manga!...

btw...so will i enjoy whatever he comes up with except for his mistakes...

[Spectual]

Maybe the "other part" of an EMS is that you get the power of whoever's eyes you got.

Kakashi got kamui
Sasuke might of got a boost to his ammy and susanoo, maybe even stronger genjutsu.
Also did't Sasuke cast the susanoo beads jutsu that Itachi used against Nagato?

So say an Uchiha could only cast ammy, and an other could only use tsukuyami( horrible spelling ) if they were to swap eyes would they be able to use the other ability?

[Izi90]

Naruto is a SPACE TIME CONTINUUM-SHAKER manga!

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Originally Posted by Spectual

Maybe the "other part" of an EMS is that you get the power of whoever's eyes you got.

Kakashi got kamui
Sasuke might of got a boost to his ammy and susanoo, maybe even stronger genjutsu.
Also did't Sasuke cast the susanoo beads jutsu that Itachi used against Nagato?

So say an Uchiha could only cast ammy, and an other could only use tsukuyami( horrible spelling ) if they were to swap eyes would they be able to use the other ability?

well...that's something that's still unclear... whether two uchiha with different powers, if switching eyes would grant them the other's eye technique including their original? ...

why then would itachi go to the trouble of implanting his tsuki-terasu into sasuke? why didn't he just allow sasuke to come up with his own original... all we can do here is speculate...

I don't know the answer for that... it's hard to say that "a completely new eye technique" is a technique in the eyes of the other user who's eyes were transplanted"...

Kamui is inherent in tobi's sharingan so no matter who awakens it (even ichiraku), it'd still be kamui...

do you remember when Obito met Madara in the underground? why did madara's left sharingan he borrowed only have the three tomoe? why didn't it inherently change to EMS? like the originals he gave to Nagato?

[Syncronisis]

I agree with Spectual.

[kalmeast]

Now...to all those headstrong non-logic followers... This debate is over. The OP won!... everyone who was against must rep as true soldiers... Kishi shows sasuke's MS only again. No Mistakes...

[Shisko Shi]

No he can not change.... You guys are actully looking in his eye?! How dumb are you, now you are in his Genjutsu. That is why you see that. Duh...

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^ are you on drugs?

[DrKage]

They were like that again. Let's see if an explanation ever comes.

[Maruko]

It happened again in 620. Hahahaha. He can change.

[Rikudo Sage]

As I expected.. Its not an error..

[kalmeast]

Here's the most interesting interesting to compare with.

Sasuke had MS, then he took itachi's eyes, now he has EMS but can still Use MS =

Naruto had RS Mode when he took kurama's chakra, then he became friends with Kuubi and now has Kuubi Mode but he can still switch to his previous RS Mode.

so the fact that he is now being supplied willingly by kuubi doesn't mean he can't use his previous RS mode...

don't consider this an explanation for anything...just a thoughtful analogy that came to mind...

[Maruko]

It's obvious now that it's not an error!
I knew it wasn't an error moths ago when I made this thread, when Itachi fought Kabuto.
Drawing eyes is not something to make mistakes at. It's like drawing Sharingan instead of MS.

[scallanan]

Yes this was predictable enough.

@Kalmeast Good analogy. Same with bee and his transformations and part-transformations, and the same with susano'o

@Maruko Yep. Wouldn't it be just hilarious if next chapter sasuke switches to rinnegan... o.O

[DrKage]

On second thought, Kishi just made the same mistake twice in a row. Probably drew all these in one all night bender.