Spoiler So about the Kyuubi Charka

[サスケ]

I dunno, Obito's character reveal kind of made Kakashi and Rin look unintersting and boring. I would rather have the kyuubi fight Hashirama again

[Wooster]

I'd rather have 2nd Mizukage revive, kill all the other ninja's, open a habberdashery, and Kishi rename the series Fedora Fun with the Second, but we don't always get what we want.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Wow, people have poor memories. Minato sealed half the nine tails chakra in the Reaper with himself. Exactly how Hiruzen sealed, Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru's arms. It appears to seal in either Hiruzen and Mianto but really it is sealed in the Reaper where they battle for entirety!!!

Anyway, Orochimaru's arms just swooshed towards him; I'd hazard a guess the nine tails chakra did the same.

What happens next is anyone's guess, but sure can't be worse than Kishi has done so far turning the nine tails from a force of nature to a crying pup.

lol...that appears to be logical; the way in which Oro's arms came to him, that it should be with the nine tail's chakra towards Kurama...but when the belly of the shikifugin was opened, we didn't see any 9tail chakra come out like the rest? ...that's why i believe that because it's just chakra and not a SOUL, it did not seal in the shikifugin directly but remained in Minato...

... lol...what do you think is more bizarre; Kishi turning kurama from a force of nature to a crying pup OR Woo* putting two logical sentences together

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Wow, people have poor memories. Minato sealed half the nine tails chakra in the Reaper with himself. Exactly how Hiruzen sealed, Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru's arms. It appears to seal in either Hiruzen and Mianto but really it is sealed in the Reaper where they battle for entirety!!!

Anyway, Orochimaru's arms just swooshed towards him; I'd hazard a guess the nine tails chakra did the same.

What happens next is anyone's guess, but sure can't be worse than Kishi has done so far turning the nine tails from a force of nature to a crying pup.

I know! especially lately. I wrote a post just like this "with" not "within." No one listened. PoP keeps talking about Tobirama starting first, not the Uchiha. Direct contradiction to "rebelious elements," that led to Tobirama moving them to the edge of the village. I gave panels and quotes from manga panda.... no response, he continues arguing the same thing against other posters.

Anyway, I don't know Japanese, so I don't know the margin of error for saying the chakra was sealed "with," or "within," I just know that manga panda's say "with,' and for naruto, it was "inside."

[Native]

He should get it back because the pact Minato made with the death god was to seal the power with his body. But Orochimaru brought him back with the Edo Tensei thus breaking the pact. Plus all the Tailed Beasts said that Naruto reminded them of the Sage of the Six Paths.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

lol...that appears to be logical; the way in which Oro's arms came to him, that it should be with the nine tail's chakra towards Kurama...but when the belly of the shikifugin was opened, we didn't see any 9tail chakra come out like the rest? ...that's why i believe that because it's just chakra and not a SOUL, it did not seal in the shikifugin directly but remained in Minato...

... lol...what do you think is more bizarre; Kishi turning kurama from a force of nature to a crying pup OR Woo* putting two logical sentences together

The only true difference is that Orochimaru fought for ages to keep his chakra, Minato just grabbed half the nine tails without a fight. So we are left to believe Hiruzen is a pansy or Orochimaru has a whole heckauv a lot of chakra. Really, the nine tails didn't even say boo to it. -_-

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

I know! especially lately. I wrote a post just like this "with" not "within." No one listened. PoP keeps talking about Tobirama starting first, not the Uchiha. Direct contradiction to "rebelious elements," that led to Tobirama moving them to the edge of the village. I gave panels and quotes from manga panda.... no response, he continues arguing the same thing against other posters.

Anyway, I don't know Japanese, so I don't know the margin of error for saying the chakra was sealed "with," or "within," I just know that manga panda's say "with,' and for naruto, it was "inside."

Hiruzen explained how this seal works in detail. They are sealed with the repear, otherwise it just be sealed in a dead corpse, that would make no sense. I'd explain it as only the summon can see the repaer with it hand up your back, so it sucks all that is sealed through that.

The only way it could be sealed in Minato is if Kishi has retconned once again and left a giant plot hole as well as made an illogical mess of a statement. Knowing Kishi this is a possibility.

Anyway, even if nine tails was sealed in Minato, as soon as he was released from the repear the nine tails chakra would be free. It took a few seconds for Orochimaru to do Edo tensei because he needed to get his arms back.

Originally Posted by Native

He should get it back because the pact Minato made with the death god was to seal the power with his body. But Orochimaru brought him back with the Edo Tensei thus breaking the pact. Plus all the Tailed Beasts said that Naruto reminded them of the Sage of the Six Paths.

I will have to look in the fine print of the contract first. o.O

naruto reminds me of a putz, but who knows.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Guys, why do you misconcept when people say MINATO SEALED IT WITH HIM.

What that means is that Minato sealed it in the Shiki Fujin together with himself. Independently sealed the chakra, didn't put it inside him.

If Orochimaru's arms returned back to him when he released all of the storage of Shiki Fujin's belly, then Kyubi's Yin Chakra returned to Naruto too.

But I do have a question, what if there were other people, objects, etc. inside the Shiki Fujin?

[paradigm1977]

We don't have any proof the chakra will travel anywhere. People keep acting like it has a homing beacon inside. Madara captured the souls with ET as they left the death god.

Chakra should just dissipate into the air. Why would a ball of chakra think it has to find it's way home? And then what sensing ability does it have, to travel a far distance from konoha and find naruto.

And how will it get inside Naruto?

[Wooster]

I can believe that it's possible that it didn't return to Naruto, although Orochimaru's arms certainly returned to him.

As far as I am concerned, it is just as much of the nine tails as the other half. But if it didn't go to it's other half, where is it?

[Fighting_dreamer]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

Guys, why do you misconcept when people say MINATO SEALED IT WITH HIM.

What that means is that Minato sealed it in the Shiki Fujin together with himself. Independently sealed the chakra, didn't put it inside him.

I will accept that if you can explain why did Minato say his body feels numbs (after sealing half of the nine-tails chakra)?

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

If Orochimaru's arms returned back to him when he released all of the storage of Shiki Fujin's belly, then Kyubi's Yin Chakra returned to Naruto too.
But I do have a question, what if there were other people, objects, etc. inside the Shiki Fujin?

One would expect there to be other stuff if the same Shiki Fujin was used by people other than the 3rd and 4th hokage (probably was but I can't say for sure) but isn't it about what is summoned or sought in exchange for a sacrifice? Oro got arms upon sacrificing of his body. Or am I missing something here...

[Satsuki]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Think it's been released?

If it has, where'd it go. If not, why not?

I think it will join with the other half, make the Kyuubi turn against Naruto, kick the out of Madara and Tobi and become the true final villain.

I'm pretty sure foul language isn't allowed here.

Also, I think it dissipated.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Wooster

The only true difference is that Orochimaru fought for ages to keep his chakra, Minato just grabbed half the nine tails without a fight. So we are left to believe Hiruzen is a pansy or Orochimaru has a whole heckauv a lot of chakra. Really, the nine tails didn't even say boo to it. -_-

That's the problem...oro didn't fight to take his chakra...He fought to take his SOUL... Oro's soul-arm was sealed BUT ninetails CHAKRA was sealed. I'm trying to make sense outta the fact that, perhaps sealing a SOUL vs CHAKRA require different amount of energy to do so... EXAMPLE: Nagato sucked up KillerBee Hachibi mode CHAKRA within seconds, but he was struggling to completely suck up Naruto's SOUL... Minato sealed Kuubi easily because he sealed the chakra NOT soul... (off topic: but i wonder why Minato said, Jinchurikis can't use shikifugin seal)


Hiruzen explained how this seal works in detail. They are sealed with the repear, otherwise it just be sealed in a dead corpse, that would make no sense. I'd explain it as only the summon can see the repaer with it hand up your back, so it sucks all that is sealed through that.

I agree here...why you keep spelling reaper like that?

The only way it could be sealed in Minato is if Kishi has retconned once again and left a giant plot hole as well as made an illogical mess of a statement. Knowing Kishi this is a possibility.
This' I'm starting to think,... if Jinchuriki can't use shikifugin, wouldn't Minato had become jinchuriki-like while sealing kuubi's chakra inside himself, while using shikifugin... though u may argue he summoned the shikifugin first, Or that he wasn't a complete jink...BUT it gives more room to the possibility that the Kuubi Yin may not have been sealed inside Minato afterall...

Anyway, even if nine tails was sealed in Minato, as soon as he was released from the repear the nine tails chakra would be free. It took a few seconds for Orochimaru to do Edo tensei because he needed to get his arms back.
actually, it's more likely to be free if it's sealed directly inside the REAPER, and less likely if sealed inside Minato because the seal would still be active and intact...

I will have to look in the fine print of the contract first. o.O

naruto reminds me of a putz, but who knows.

In conclusion, i'm a little more persuaded to believe that the Nine-tail Yin chakra may in fact return to the original... This will make an immediate impact on the battlefield that'd scare Madara and Tobi... Even naruto won't get it... Only kurama would know what just happened...More epic...than if Minato should be using that chakra...

[DrKage]

Originally Posted by Fighting_dreamer

I will accept that if you can explain why did Minato say his body feels numbs (after sealing half of the nine-tails chakra)?

Maybe it was because he was having his soul ripped out of his body to be sealed away. Probably have some sort of effect.

One would expect there to be other stuff if the same Shiki Fujin was used by people other than the 3rd and 4th hokage (probably was but I can't say for sure) but isn't it about what is summoned or sought in exchange for a sacrifice? Oro got arms upon sacrificing of his body. Or am I missing something here...

NO, there could easily have been other stuff floating around in other souls, but they will just be available is someone else tries to Edo-Tensei them.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Fighting_dreamer

I will accept that if you can explain why did Minato say his body feels numbs (after sealing half of the nine-tails chakra)?

This seems to be hard to answer... As he's standing there with the other 3 kages, he doesn't seem to be having any problems moving or standing...that's why i think that the Kuubi chakra is no longer there... I don't know if kishi thought through these contradictions well enough... but you do have a point.


One would expect there to be other stuff if the same Shiki Fujin was used by people other than the 3rd and 4th hokage (probably was but I can't say for sure) but isn't it about what is summoned or sought in exchange for a sacrifice? Oro got arms upon sacrificing of his body. Or am I missing something here...

No...one shouldn't expect anymore coming out of the shinigami for two reasons...

1. It's a sacrificial jutsu that takes the user's life so not many people would have the guts to use such a jutsu... It's forbidden jutsu so to speak.

2. There are more than 1 shinigami... if there are many mask in the hideout, it'd be ok to speculate that each mask represents a shinigami and oro had to search for that particular one. So the more shinigami there are the less likely it is for others to have used this same one as Minato & Hiruzen used... does that satisfy you?

[Fighting_dreamer]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

No...one shouldn't expect anymore coming out of the shinigami for two reasons...

1. It's a sacrificial jutsu that takes the user's life so not many people would have the guts to use such a jutsu... It's forbidden jutsu so to speak.

2. There are more than 1 shinigami... if there are many mask in the hideout, it'd be ok to speculate that each mask represents a shinigami and oro had to search for that particular one. So the more shinigami there are the less likely it is for others to have used this same one as Minato & Hiruzen used... does that satisfy you?

First of all, a big thanks for answering my questions! (rep)
I am absolutely with you on that infact that was why I said 'the same shiki fujin'; so Oro probably was aware of that particular one. It also addresses the taints of people here who are saying that the masks are just lying there for you to try ...! NO! you need to do your homework!