Spoiler: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? - Page 2

Maruko · 02-05-2013, 12:38 PM

Okay, I'm getting infracted for this, but...

Spoiler:

You can see what is MS and what is EMS.
In this chapter Sasuke had the first form (MS) activated.
Same thing after defeating Kabuto.

But he had the second form(EMS) when he fought Zetsu, when he chased Itachi, fought Kabuto etc.

Why is that so?
I'm sure it's not a mistake.

nine-tails chakra armor · 02-05-2013, 01:16 PM

Guys this discution is flawed. itachi tells sasuke that once eyes are transferred they don't lose their light. that's why itachi wanted sasuke's. When in reality I believed itachi wanted sasuke to have his eyes to avoid this. Itachi ISINT even talking about Ems just the face that they wouldn't lose their light. Notice sasuke's eyes already lost their light.And as soon as they did he wanted itachis eyes. So If that's the case how is he even using ms. It's because now that he has itachis eyes hell never lose his light which translates to him going ham without worry. Now chakra amount is the only thing in question now. Look madaras has ems turned to Rrinny and gave them to nagato. Nagato uses the hell out of them but they remain. The rinny he has is still a sharingan so in theory it should have lost it's light but it didn't.

Shisko Shi · 02-05-2013, 01:26 PM

Itachi never wanted Sasuke's eyes. He planed to die that day. He did it so his brother had more fight in him. To show he needed to go all out and work harder.

Maruko · 02-05-2013, 01:47 PM

GUUUUUYS! I can't believe this!
What are you talking about?
I KNOW that Sauske has EMS. I know what Itachi said. I know what eye transplant does!
THE POINT of the THREAD IS: Sasuke was shown twice with his normal MS pattern after taking Itachi's eyes!
Is that really so hard to understand? LOL

On one panel he has his old MS pattern on the other panel he has his EMS pattern.
That's the point of the topic.

People just see the thread name, don't pay attention to the OP's posting date and rush to make a comment and show their knowledge.

The thread was made in July rofl

paradigm1977 · 02-05-2013, 04:35 PM

Well based on the opening point we all assumed EMS didn't add an ability, but just meant the eye never goes dark.

Yes we see the drawing. But no I disagree that there are MS drawbacks to an EMS in "MS mode." The eye change is controlled by the user. He can have them look like 3 tomo, MS, or EMS. It's chakra power from the brain that controls the appearance change.

So I'm saying that the MS appearance is not tied to the MS ability level of the eye. Same jutsu, no sight drawback, choose how it looks. EMS is just representative of the eye getting stronger itself (actually a different eye), not your jutsu.

Maruko · 02-05-2013, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Well based on the opening point we all assumed EMS didn't add an ability, but just meant the eye never goes dark.

Yes we see the drawing. But no I disagree that there are MS drawbacks to an EMS in "MS mode." The eye change is controlled by the user. He can make have them look like 3 tomo, MS, or EMS. it's chakra power from the brain that controls the appearance change.

So I'm saying that the MS appearance is not tied to the MS ability level of the eye. Same jutsu, no sight drawback, choose how it looks. EMS is just representative of the eye getting stronger itself, not your jutsu.

Thanks!

Someone at least writes an explanation.

Shisko Shi · 02-06-2013, 12:35 AM

You know what I think? It has to do with his hatered. Sir Micheal pointed that out with a good point to it. Look at it that might be the reason.

kalmeast · 02-06-2013, 01:44 AM

Ok...let me jump in...

are you guys crazy or what?

Evidence and logic seems to be too far from my very revered comrades this time around...

Concerning the thread subject, it's clear that sasuke can switch off his Sharingan completely. If he can switch to previous sharingan levels like 3-tomoe, tell me by deduction, why he shouldn't be able to switch to MS? Shouldn't we need more explanation why he can't switch to MS than we would for why he should be able to switch to MS?

The last chapter of 619 shows clearly that he was in MS mode only so why continue to argue guys? This is not a mistake... Why would Tobirama call the Shape "mangekyou sharingan"... do you think Tobirama doesn't know the difference between Eternal Mangekyou and Mangekyou... Why'd kishi make a mistake with both drawing and text at once... Follow where the evidence leads and stop arguing headlessly.

Place a bet: After Hashirama's speech, sasuke will switch his eyes to EMS

scallanan · 02-06-2013, 03:55 AM

^Agreed. And using EMS is not what determines whether you lose sight, it's the fact that itachi's eyes have been transplanted into him. So any form of the sharingan can be spammed

Maruko · 02-06-2013, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalmeast

Ok...let me jump in...

are you guys crazy or what?

Evidence and logic seems to be too far from my very revered comrades this time around...

Concerning the thread subject, it's clear that sasuke can switch off his Sharingan completely. If he can switch to previous sharingan levels like 3-tomoe, tell me by deduction, why he shouldn't be able to switch to MS? Shouldn't we need more explanation why he can't switch to MS than we would for why he should be able to switch to MS?

The last chapter of 619 shows clearly that he was in MS mode only so why continue to argue guys? This is not a mistake... Why would Tobirama call the Shape "mangekyou sharingan"... do you think Tobirama doesn't know the difference between Eternal Mangekyou and Mangekyou... Why'd kishi make a mistake with both drawing and text at once... Follow where the evidence leads and stop arguing headlessly.

Place a bet: After Hashirama's speech, sasuke will switch his eyes to EMS

Finally.
Someone understands what I wanted to say.

MrNarutowatcher · 02-08-2013, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maruko

Then why did he switch on MS in 619?
MS not EMS.
Keep that in mind.

because he was upset at tobiramas response

eatmenah · 02-09-2013, 07:33 PM

This is a really great thread and I am greatly indebted to whomever made it. Thanks.

Zach Uchiha · 02-10-2013, 06:17 PM

You're all being ridiculous. Kishimoto is a very busy person who manages and creates several manga and anime. He makes some mistakes when it comes to these things. Just like when he sometimes makes the ems patterns upside down he may forget to put in the pattern altogether. Im positive that when the next chapter comes out, Kishimoto would have put in the right design.

Maruko · 02-11-2013, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Uchiha

You're all being ridiculous. Kishimoto is a very busy person who manages and creates several manga and anime. He makes some mistakes when it comes to these things. Just like when he sometimes makes the ems patterns upside down he may forget to put in the pattern altogether. Im positive that when the next chapter comes out, Kishimoto would have put in the right design.

scallanan · 02-11-2013, 06:34 AM

The mangekyo sharingan was purposefully put there. As for the three forms of sharingan, any of them can be used at any time if the user has EMS. Just because sasuke got the MS, doesn't mean he can't use his normal sharingan. The same goes for when he got the EMS.
One thing could be contradictory, since after you awaken MS your eyesight slowly fades, but this doesn't affect the user when he's using his normal sharingan. If the same logic is applied to EMS, then using the MS can still damage you.

(**When someone has MS, they lose their sight. But using normal sharingan they don't, even when they have the MS. So if someone has EMS, and they use it, they won't lose their sight, but if they use MS the effects apply. And then normal sharingan of course does nothing**)

I could be wrong in saying this, since it's only theoretical at this stage.

As for the MS being put in there, it certainly wasn't a mistake

Zach Uchiha · 02-11-2013, 12:28 PM

[QUOTE=scallanan;6488607]The mangekyo sharingan was purposefully put there. As for the three forms of sharingan, any of them can be used at any time if the user has EMS. Just because sasuke got the MS, doesn't mean he can't use his normal sharingan. The same goes for when he got the EMS.
One thing could be contradictory, since after you awaken MS your eyesight slowly fades, but this doesn't affect the user when he's using his normal sharingan. If the same logic is applied to EMS, then using the MS can still damage you.

(**When someone has MS, they lose their sight. But using normal sharingan they don't, even when they have the MS. So if someone has EMS, and they use it, they won't lose their sight, but if they use MS the effects apply. And then normal sharingan of course does nothing**)

Look you seem like you have a point but your just overthinking it. Sasuke has itachis eyes and they cannot make a different pattern other than sharingan and ems (and rinnegan if youve mastered senju DNA). Masashi Kishimoto made a simple mistake. Can you imagine how much time and patience it takes to create each and every one of those pictures? Its only human of him to do something like this

kalmeast · 02-11-2013, 12:59 PM

^ lol...the wise person tries to make sense and logic outta everything, but the lazy man says..."wait....it's an error"... don't you know it takes more speculation to think the artist is in error than to over-think the meaning of his intent...

anyways... if Tobirama looked at those eyes and called it "Mangekyou Sharingan"...that's in essence, kishi calling it mangekyou sharingan... if that's an error (what tobirama said) and the drawing also of sasuke's eyes, was an error by kishi, that's be two errors back to back...the probability that kishi would make those errors like that is too high and almost impossible. What part of this don't you understand?

scallanan · 02-12-2013, 02:12 AM

^ Exactly! Sasuke is probably going change his MS into EMS as this conversation continues. I think it's put in there to make a point.

DrKage · 02-12-2013, 05:04 AM

It's clearly a mistake because there are exactly 0 reasons for Sasuke to show a regular MS. What's the point? He's not going to use it because it will deteriorate his eye sight. And if he's trying to show the Hokages that he's a bad ass Uchiha, why not go with your more powerful eyes? It's not like Tobirama would be able to identify a Mangyekou Sharingan while an EMS would all of a sudden prove unrecognizable. Is Sasuke going to shock the Edo-Hokage in a battle? It doesn't get him anything because there's no new powers associated with it, and since the Senju have already battled Madara, who had EMS, nothing Sasuke would be likely to manifest would prove shocking, advantageous or anything like that.

Maruko · 02-12-2013, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrKage

It's clearly a mistake because there are exactly 0 reasons for Sasuke to show a regular MS. What's the point? He's not going to use it because it will deteriorate his eye sight. And if he's trying to show the Hokages that he's a bad ass Uchiha, why not go with your more powerful eyes? It's not like Tobirama would be able to identify a Mangyekou Sharingan while an EMS would all of a sudden prove unrecognizable. Is Sasuke going to shock the Edo-Hokage in a battle? It doesn't get him anything because there's no new powers associated with it, and since the Senju have already battled Madara, who had EMS, nothing Sasuke would be likely to manifest would prove shocking, advantageous or anything like that.

To show that he's not pure.

02-05-2013, 12:38 PM	#21
Maruko Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,100 Rep Power: 37	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? Okay, I'm getting infracted for this, but... Spoiler: You can see what is MS and what is EMS. In this chapter Sasuke had the first form (MS) activated. Same thing after defeating Kabuto. But he had the second form(EMS) when he fought Zetsu, when he chased Itachi, fought Kabuto etc. Why is that so? I'm sure it's not a mistake.

02-05-2013, 01:16 PM	#22
nine-tails chakra armor Apprentice Genin Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: where you will never find me Posts: 121 Rep Power: 4	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? Guys this discution is flawed. itachi tells sasuke that once eyes are transferred they don't lose their light. that's why itachi wanted sasuke's. When in reality I believed itachi wanted sasuke to have his eyes to avoid this. Itachi ISINT even talking about Ems just the face that they wouldn't lose their light. Notice sasuke's eyes already lost their light.And as soon as they did he wanted itachis eyes. So If that's the case how is he even using ms. It's because now that he has itachis eyes hell never lose his light which translates to him going ham without worry. Now chakra amount is the only thing in question now. Look madaras has ems turned to Rrinny and gave them to nagato. Nagato uses the hell out of them but they remain. The rinny he has is still a sharingan so in theory it should have lost it's light but it didn't. Last edited by nine-tails chakra armor; 02-05-2013 at 01:19 PM.

02-05-2013, 01:26 PM	#23
Shisko Shi Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Hidding in your closet... Posts: 9,270 Rep Power: 17	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? Itachi never wanted Sasuke's eyes. He planed to die that day. He did it so his brother had more fight in him. To show he needed to go all out and work harder. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Maruko Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,100 Rep Power: 37	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? GUUUUUYS! I can't believe this! What are you talking about? I KNOW that Sauske has EMS. I know what Itachi said. I know what eye transplant does! THE POINT of the THREAD IS: Sasuke was shown twice with his normal MS pattern after taking Itachi's eyes! Is that really so hard to understand? LOL On one panel he has his old MS pattern on the other panel he has his EMS pattern. That's the point of the topic. People just see the thread name, don't pay attention to the OP's posting date and rush to make a comment and show their knowledge. The thread was made in July rofl

02-05-2013, 04:35 PM	#25
paradigm1977 Chunin Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 1,149 Rep Power: 6	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? Well based on the opening point we all assumed EMS didn't add an ability, but just meant the eye never goes dark. Yes we see the drawing. But no I disagree that there are MS drawbacks to an EMS in "MS mode." The eye change is controlled by the user. He can have them look like 3 tomo, MS, or EMS. It's chakra power from the brain that controls the appearance change. So I'm saying that the MS appearance is not tied to the MS ability level of the eye. Same jutsu, no sight drawback, choose how it looks. EMS is just representative of the eye getting stronger itself (actually a different eye), not your jutsu. __________________ Where are the Akatsuki Avatars? I want Kakuzu. Last edited by paradigm1977; 02-10-2013 at 02:24 PM.

02-06-2013, 12:35 AM	#27
Shisko Shi Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Hidding in your closet... Posts: 9,270 Rep Power: 17	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? You know what I think? It has to do with his hatered. Sir Micheal pointed that out with a good point to it. Look at it that might be the reason. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

02-06-2013, 01:44 AM	#28
kalmeast Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Yttik A Ni Neddih Egalliv Posts: 2,825 Rep Power: 16 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? Ok...let me jump in... are you guys crazy or what? Evidence and logic seems to be too far from my very revered comrades this time around... Concerning the thread subject, it's clear that sasuke can switch off his Sharingan completely. If he can switch to previous sharingan levels like 3-tomoe, tell me by deduction, why he shouldn't be able to switch to MS? Shouldn't we need more explanation why he can't switch to MS than we would for why he should be able to switch to MS? The last chapter of 619 shows clearly that he was in MS mode only so why continue to argue guys? This is not a mistake... Why would Tobirama call the Shape "mangekyou sharingan"... do you think Tobirama doesn't know the difference between Eternal Mangekyou and Mangekyou... Why'd kishi make a mistake with both drawing and text at once... Follow where the evidence leads and stop arguing headlessly. Place a bet: After Hashirama's speech, sasuke will switch his eyes to EMS __________________ Hashi's DNA + FTG = Time Travel To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. When Rikoudo Entered Sage Mode, His Hair Changed To Dreadlocks. Critic: "Your S1 alludes to Beethoven's "fate" Brahms: "any ass can see that"... such class of reverence

02-06-2013, 03:55 AM	#29
scallanan Genin Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 2	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? ^Agreed. And using EMS is not what determines whether you lose sight, it's the fact that itachi's eyes have been transplanted into him. So any form of the sharingan can be spammed __________________ People were created to be loved. Things were created to be used. The reason the world is in chaos, is because things are being loved, and people are being used.

02-09-2013, 07:33 PM	#32
eatmenah Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Auburn, Al Posts: 30 Rep Power: 1	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? This is a really great thread and I am greatly indebted to whomever made it. Thanks.

02-10-2013, 06:17 PM	#33
Zach Uchiha Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? You're all being ridiculous. Kishimoto is a very busy person who manages and creates several manga and anime. He makes some mistakes when it comes to these things. Just like when he sometimes makes the ems patterns upside down he may forget to put in the pattern altogether. Im positive that when the next chapter comes out, Kishimoto would have put in the right design.

02-11-2013, 06:34 AM	#35
scallanan Genin Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 2	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? The mangekyo sharingan was purposefully put there. As for the three forms of sharingan, any of them can be used at any time if the user has EMS. Just because sasuke got the MS, doesn't mean he can't use his normal sharingan. The same goes for when he got the EMS. One thing could be contradictory, since after you awaken MS your eyesight slowly fades, but this doesn't affect the user when he's using his normal sharingan. If the same logic is applied to EMS, then using the MS can still damage you. (When someone has MS, they lose their sight. But using normal sharingan they don't, even when they have the MS. So if someone has EMS, and they use it, they won't lose their sight, but if they use MS the effects apply. And then normal sharingan of course does nothing) I could be wrong in saying this, since it's only theoretical at this stage. As for the MS being put in there, it certainly wasn't a mistake __________________ People were created to be loved. Things were created to be used. The reason the world is in chaos, is because things are being loved, and people are being used.

02-11-2013, 12:28 PM	#36
Zach Uchiha Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? [QUOTE=scallanan;6488607]The mangekyo sharingan was purposefully put there. As for the three forms of sharingan, any of them can be used at any time if the user has EMS. Just because sasuke got the MS, doesn't mean he can't use his normal sharingan. The same goes for when he got the EMS. One thing could be contradictory, since after you awaken MS your eyesight slowly fades, but this doesn't affect the user when he's using his normal sharingan. If the same logic is applied to EMS, then using the MS can still damage you. (When someone has MS, they lose their sight. But using normal sharingan they don't, even when they have the MS. So if someone has EMS, and they use it, they won't lose their sight, but if they use MS the effects apply. And then normal sharingan of course does nothing) Look you seem like you have a point but your just overthinking it. Sasuke has itachis eyes and they cannot make a different pattern other than sharingan and ems (and rinnegan if youve mastered senju DNA). Masashi Kishimoto made a simple mistake. Can you imagine how much time and patience it takes to create each and every one of those pictures? Its only human of him to do something like this

02-11-2013, 12:59 PM	#37
kalmeast Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Yttik A Ni Neddih Egalliv Posts: 2,825 Rep Power: 16 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? ^ lol...the wise person tries to make sense and logic outta everything, but the lazy man says..."wait....it's an error"... don't you know it takes more speculation to think the artist is in error than to over-think the meaning of his intent... anyways... if Tobirama looked at those eyes and called it "Mangekyou Sharingan"...that's in essence, kishi calling it mangekyou sharingan... if that's an error (what tobirama said) and the drawing also of sasuke's eyes, was an error by kishi, that's be two errors back to back...the probability that kishi would make those errors like that is too high and almost impossible. What part of this don't you understand? __________________ Hashi's DNA + FTG = Time Travel To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. When Rikoudo Entered Sage Mode, His Hair Changed To Dreadlocks. Critic: "Your S1 alludes to Beethoven's "fate" Brahms: "any ass can see that"... such class of reverence

02-12-2013, 02:12 AM	#38
scallanan Genin Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 2	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? ^ Exactly! Sasuke is probably going change his MS into EMS as this conversation continues. I think it's put in there to make a point. __________________ People were created to be loved. Things were created to be used. The reason the world is in chaos, is because things are being loved, and people are being used.

02-12-2013, 05:04 AM	#39
DrKage Genin Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 368 Rep Power: 3	Re: Sasuke can switch between EMS and MS? It's clearly a mistake because there are exactly 0 reasons for Sasuke to show a regular MS. What's the point? He's not going to use it because it will deteriorate his eye sight. And if he's trying to show the Hokages that he's a bad ass Uchiha, why not go with your more powerful eyes? It's not like Tobirama would be able to identify a Mangyekou Sharingan while an EMS would all of a sudden prove unrecognizable. Is Sasuke going to shock the Edo-Hokage in a battle? It doesn't get him anything because there's no new powers associated with it, and since the Senju have already battled Madara, who had EMS, nothing Sasuke would be likely to manifest would prove shocking, advantageous or anything like that.

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