Dangai Ichigo vs BM Naruto

[BMC1994]

TBB>Fragor

Have you seen the depth of the hole it left thats not on casual TBB level.(which barely blast just the surface).

You say its more powerfull then ennetsu jigoku(which was an city busters itself) and then proceed to say its the same strenght.

Im no physicist but it should take alot more power to leave that giant hole in the surface then just blowing up whats on said surface.

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

TBB>Fragor

Have you seen the depth of the hole it left thats not on casual TBB level.(which barely blast just the surface).

No, seeing as the depth of the hole that was partially created from Aizen's shockwave was never actually seen. So I don't know where you're going with the "depth of the hole." The only thing we see is the height of the Fragor above the hole and its diameter.

A single TBB busting up a mountain and the explosion going from a single to a few kilometers is much more impressive and quantifiable.

You say its more powerfull then ennetsu jigoku(which was an city busters itself) and then proceed to say its the same strenght.

No, it was a large town buster seeing as Karakura Town was like 7-8 km in diameter and city busting is 10 km.
Um... what? Are you saying that simply because an attack is stronger than something that's considered town-level attack... that it can't be a town-level attack? You do know that "town level", "city level", "planet level", etc. all have a range that determines how powerful it is, right? Let's use Perfect Susanoo's slashes and Naruto's TBB. Both of them are easily multi-mountain level. But one is stronger. And that's naruto's TBB. Still multi-mountain level.

We don't just assume that just because an attack is stronger than another, we label them a destructive level higher than that attack.

Im no physicist but it should take alot more power to leave that giant hole in the surface then just blowing up whats on said surface.

That hole was partially created by Aizen's shockwave. It wasn't really a wide hole. We're looking at something that's just a couple of hundred meters across, if that. All we have is a height above said hole. Not enough information to confirm a Fragor to be a mountain buster.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You my friend are ignorant he pitched an animal that normally get up to 2500 pounds like a baseball. This one was two to three times that size. If you were to exert that type of force on a much smaller object such as frs the speed is easily within that range hence why your whole argument is a joke. I am glad you laughed it proved your education level on the subject. Please keep posting it is quite amusing.You are correct this is not debate this is just you not admitting that you are wrong. Trying to hide it in a wall of denial.

That rhino was not flying at 90+ mph. Sigh. Why am I doing this? Must be the masochist in me. Lol say what you want about me but don't lie to yourself.

[Devils Lawyer]

You are the one in denial. First off nobody said it was 90 mph. The average person can't even throw a baseball that fast. Where you got that number only you know. Anyways the speed doesn't matter on the mass and distance matters. Point is he has the ability to toss giant rhino into the sky. The force behind that on frs can easily propel an object of frs size at massive speeds. This is the time to admit you are wrong instead of denying it making yourself look dumb.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

No, seeing as the depth of the hole that was partially created from Aizen's shockwave was never actually seen. So I don't know where you're going with the "depth of the hole." The only thing we see is the height of the Fragor above the hole and its diameter.

A single TBB busting up a mountain and the explosion going from a single to a few kilometers is much more impressive and quantifiable.


No, it was a large town buster seeing as Karakura Town was like 7-8 km in diameter and city busting is 10 km.
Um... what? Are you saying that simply because an attack is stronger than something that's considered town-level attack... that it can't be a town-level attack? You do know that "town level", "city level", "planet level", etc. all have a range that determines how powerful it is, right? Let's use Perfect Susanoo's slashes and Naruto's TBB. Both of them are easily multi-mountain level. But one is stronger. And that's naruto's TBB. Still multi-mountain level.

We don't just assume that just because an attack is stronger than another, we label them a destructive level higher than that attack.



That hole was partially created by Aizen's shockwave. It wasn't really a wide hole. We're looking at something that's just a couple of hundred meters across, if that. All we have is a height above said hole. Not enough information to confirm a Fragor to be a mountain buster.

You have seen the size of the explosion and the size of the hole after the explosion aizens shock is a non-factor here.

Because we know the exact size of of that explosion. -.- , you cant tell me there is an reliable way to measure that. Especially if that got calculated the same way as the pain path being faster then an attack just because he dodged it. (wrong assumption)

Are you serious? The explosion was so tall that even from karakura town perspective it didnt fit in the panel.(which should be atleast a km away from what i see).

Im very sceptical about these calcs and also very sceptical of these city level/country level statements i mean what do you take as standard here. There is a big difference between lets say amsterdam and LA. And if you use an range that large that says nothing aboput the attack in that class.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You are the one in denial. First off nobody said it was 90 mph. The average person can't even throw a baseball that fast. Where you got that number only you know. Anyways the speed doesn't matter on the mass and distance matters. Point is he has the ability to toss giant rhino into the sky. The force behind that on frs can easily propel an object of frs size at massive speeds. This is the time to admit you are wrong instead of denying it making yourself look dumb.

And the Average person can't use Jutsus and jump from tree to tree and has demons and walks on water. It is fake. Infact he could have gone 90mph. I mean that gay is in sage mode. Who cares lol.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

Naruto


Then let's talk durability. We see Ichigo taking a Fragor. That Fragor burned and blackened his entire left arm, tore apart the clothing around that area (which is a part of his Bankai), and it even brushed upon his chest a little. In fact, the attack crippled his left arm. Ichigo barely tanked one Fragor. and honestly, the only thing that holds up the "tanking" is the fact that he casually endured it without flinching rather than his body resisting the attack.
Now, how powerful is Fragor? Well, it's kinda hard to tell. We know that it was a huge blast. It could be seen from where Tatsuki and the others were. However, it didn't really have an ultra-wide AoE, as was well within the crater that was created by the shcokwaves from Aizen's sword strikes. At the least, we can assume that it's more powerful than Ichigo's "mountain" busting shockwave, a Lanza, or the explosion of Ennetsu Jigoku by Wonderweiss. Therefore, one Fragor borders on city level, but wasn't exactly there.
Naruto has island level+ durability for tanking a TBB blast from the Juubi that's far more powerful than a total of 9 mountain-level bijuu-damas.
We also know that Aizen withstood, and even somewhat tanked, Mugetsu, the strongest attack in all of Bleach. Unless Aizen has island level durability, there's no way for Ichigo to put Naruto down.
A single TBB >> Fragor. There is no way Ichigo would tank a TBB (unless he has mountain-level durability). Naruto's TBB is like 5 times more powerful than one TBB. And he can spam the attacks, too. A direct explosion will kill ichigo.

YOu are kidding right? Ok Ok jokes on me guys... you can stop.

It isn'thow wide and the size of the AoE. But the power in it.

He barly took the blast? Dude you saw that. That thank burnt his arm. That dosn't mean he can't use it. It just got the skin it barly hurt him.

It took his torso cloths off? Really? Bankai or not it isn't freakin armour. It is a peice of linin cloth. Of course it was torn off. Plus it is a way to show power I think in Animes.

Aizen Tanked Mugestu?? The guy is Immortal of couse he can. If he wasn't he'd be dead..... I thought that was clear to everyone.

How would a TBB kill Ichigo? He can just avoid it. Or slash it with his sword. Just because he never did it to Aizen means nothing. He knew Aizen was FAR from his level so he tanked the attack. Not because it was strong. He didn't care. It allowed Aizen to get up close thinking that.Aizen said it couln't be used. Just like he thought he was the most powerful thing ever. Guess what he i wrong. He is a coky Butt hole. He tanked the ENitre blast on that one arm. not body. But the arm, forarm to be correct.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

And the Average person can't use Jutsus and jump from tree to tree and has demons and walks on water. It is fake. Infact he could have gone 90mph. I mean that gay is in sage mode. Who cares lol.

You obviously dont understand the point of this whole fictional debate. Keyword debate not concede and say it doesn't matter. If you do feel that way this place is not for you. Also no one is taking this serious. At least I am not.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You obviously dont understand the point of this whole fictional debate. Keyword debate not concede and say it doesn't matter. If you do feel that way this place is not for you. Also no one is taking this serious. At least I am not.

lol I know I was clearly being a smart ass.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

YOu are kidding right? Ok Ok jokes on me guys... you can stop.

It isn'thow wide and the size of the AoE. But the power in it.

He barly took the blast? Dude you saw that. That thank burnt his arm. That dosn't mean he can't use it. It just got the skin it barly hurt him.

It took his torso cloths off? Really? Bankai or not it isn't freakin armour. It is a peice of linin cloth. Of course it was torn off. Plus it is a way to show power I think in Animes.

Aizen Tanked Mugestu?? The guy is Immortal of couse he can. If he wasn't he'd be dead..... I thought that was clear to everyone.

How would a TBB kill Ichigo? He can just avoid it. Or slash it with his sword. Just because he never did it to Aize means nothing. He knew Aizen was FAR from his level so he tanked the attack. Not because it was strong. He didn't care. It allowed Aizen to get up close thinking that.Aizen said it couln't be used. Just like he thought he was the most powerful thing ever. Guess what he i wrong. He is a coky Butt hole.

Yeah since when could ichigo dodge a barrage of blast the size of a mountain. Also lol at Aizen being a god. You yourself just said its fiction. In fiction being a god doesn't mean diddly. Finally in what world did the butterfly have a blast as powerful as tbb. Your spouting a lot of nonsense here.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Yeah since when could ichigo dodge a barrage of blast the size of a mountain. Also lol at Aizen being a god. You yourself just said its fiction. In fiction being a god doesn't mean diddly. Finally in what world did the butterfly have a blast as powerful as tbb. Your spouting a lot of nonsense here.

A God? WHo said that? You did, I never said that. I just said he is Immortal. Soul Reapers arn't but he is. That is why Mugestu never worked. But pushed him to the limit the Hokyoku rejected him.

It is the size of a Mont? I see it as huge! But not a Mount. Then again I am thinking Mt fugi mount.

And he can Spam them like crazy, they have to charge. Lets say there is a 2 second charge. Those two seconds give Ichigo the time. He isn't slow. He can Dodge it also seeing his physic power is also increased. And how do you know he can't just Slash it away? We never saw him go full out in FGT form. I am sure a Hard ass swing could.

Who said Aizen had a blast as big as a TBB? Also it isn't the size of a mountain haha. It is maybe the size of a hill. I am even looking at the TBB combined with the Tailed Beasts together. It is maybe the size of a hill, big hill. Not a mountain. And you say non-sense? Clearly Aizen isn't as strong, TBB are way over powered anyways.

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

I am even looking at the TBB combined with the Tailed Beasts together. It is maybe the size of a hill, big hill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH then ichigo must have sliced an anthill

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

A God? WHo said that? You did, I never said that. I just said he is Immortal. Soul Reapers arn't but he is. That is why Mugestu never worked. But pushed him to the limit the Hokyoku rejected him.

It is the size of a Mont? I see it as huge! But not a Mount. Then again I am thinking Mt fugi mount.

And he can Spam them like crazy, they have to charge. Lets say there is a 2 second charge. Those two seconds give Ichigo the time. He isn't slow. He can Dodge it also seeing his physic power is also increased. And how do you know he can't just Slash it away? We never saw him go full out in FGT form. I am sure a Hard ass swing could.

Who said Aizen had a blast as big as a TBB? Also it isn't the size of a mountain haha. It is maybe the size of a hill. I am even looking at the TBB combined with the Tailed Beasts together. It is maybe the size of a hill, big hill. Not a mountain. And you say non-sense? Clearly Aizen isn't as strong, TBB are way over powered anyways.

That is called a no limits fallacy Aizen was still weakened by Ichigo attack hence why he was captured.

You do know what a mountain looks like right? Those are mountains. Also bm only has. To charge for the big tbb. He spammed them against the juubi no charge just rapid fire. Also bm is not really slower than Ichigo. If you think so give a feat that displays such overwhelming speed.

Again do you know what a mountain looks like that was a straight up mountain range.

[Ultimate combatant]

How far in height was rhino thrown by Naruto?!!

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Yeah since when could ichigo dodge a barrage of blast the size of a mountain.

Since he can casually jump a couple of kilometers.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You do know what a mountain looks like right? Those are mountains. Also bm only has. To charge for the big tbb. He spammed them against the juubi no charge just rapid fire. Also bm is not really slower than Ichigo. If you think so give a feat that displays such overwhelming speed.

Again do you know what a mountain looks like that was a straight up mountain range.

Honestly i want to know what the criteria are for mountain size. there is a difference between the smallest mountains(about 43 meters above its surroudings) and the k2 8+ kilometers in height).

And again the man jumped distances bm cannot not even hope to reach. And not mention in basically no time.

[Roronoa Zoro]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

YOu are kidding right? Ok Ok jokes on me guys... you can stop.

It isn'thow wide and the size of the AoE. But the power in it.

He barly took the blast? Dude you saw that. That thank burnt his arm. That dosn't mean he can't use it. It just got the skin it barly hurt him.

It took his torso cloths off? Really? Bankai or not it isn't freakin armour. It is a peice of linin cloth. Of course it was torn off. Plus it is a way to show power I think in Animes.

Aizen Tanked Mugestu?? The guy is Immortal of couse he can. If he wasn't he'd be dead..... I thought that was clear to everyone.

How would a TBB kill Ichigo? He can just avoid it. Or slash it with his sword. Just because he never did it to Aizen means nothing. He knew Aizen was FAR from his level so he tanked the attack. Not because it was strong. He didn't care. It allowed Aizen to get up close thinking that.Aizen said it couln't be used. Just like he thought he was the most powerful thing ever. Guess what he i wrong. He is a coky Butt hole. He tanked the ENitre blast on that one arm. not body. But the arm, forarm to be correct.

Thank you man omg......... rep up for this cuz Ichigo was just showing off THATS ALL. He let Aizen chant and trap him in Black Coffin then just slapped it away, then said ''The one who blew away that mountain was my sword not yours'' then blitz him like nothing. he clashed with Aizen which each clash blew up the mountain tops and one clash made a hole which was just physical strength, Aizen charged at Ichigo and he grabbed and stopped his sword which made a crater and asked Aizen ''You scared?'' Ichigo was toying with Aizen and the whole time he couldn't even feel Ichigo's presence and hes a transcend being. Ichigo turned his entire reiatsu to raw physical power, speed, and strength. His sword blew away a mountain by just swinging it lol.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Since he can casually jump a couple of kilometers.




Honestly i want to know what the criteria are for mountain size. there is a difference between the smallest mountains(about 43 meters above its surroudings) and the k2 8+ kilometers in height).

And again the man jumped distances bm cannot not even hope to reach. And not mention in basically no time.

If height is between 500 and 1500 meters, it is a hill.
Mountain is anything with height greater than 1500 meters!!!

[BMC1994]

If thats the general criteria used by vs debaters okay. If thats the actual real world criteria
Mount Wycheproof disagrees with you.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

If thats the general criteria used by vs debaters okay. If thats the actual real world criteria
Mount Wycheproof disagrees with you.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

There is no universally accepted definition of a mountain.

But generally speaking, I think it is accepted that over 500-1500 is hill, while more than 1500 is mountain!!!

Though with the example you've given, I can see Aizen rightfully called what Ichigo destroyed a mountain!!!

[Shisko Shi]

A mountain huh? That is one small ass mountain. Because this is a mountain...



Yeait was no were near that. The Jubbi is if anything that size if not a tad bit smaller or bigger by a small amount.

Since he could face palm Aizen from 20 feet in less then a second. Not only that did you see how far he fly himand how fast?

Ichigo was fast before. Now he is just no comitition in our running a Bijju bomb. How fast are they?

Also there are spaced inbetween them so that is about depending on the speed is mostly going to ge a half to a full second. Plenty of time. And He can't do it forever. It take Chakra. Also the Rabid one are smaller then a combined one. The combined one is almost the size of that mountain.

Anything else before you over do the actull size? Ant hills? Well no one got a reall good look at the so called mountains. But even so he wans't trying. They aren't small but not huge. Not much evidence is given to the size of them as compared to them.
Also thos Forgers that he shot. I am not saying they are huge, but they ran't small. And it left a huge crater. Pretty wide but mostly deep.