Orochimaru vs Kisame

[PrinceofPeace]

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Your not gonna wait to see more Oro feats are you? That alone proves taht Kisame would win

[Noctis Arashi]

How does Kisame get past Oral Rebirth?

[PrinceofPeace]

Kisame can go underground or absorb the chakra

Oro can not fight with oral rebirth

[Kioroshi.]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

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Your not gonna wait to see more Oro feats are you? That alone proves taht Kisame would win

i have better things to do then debate this while we ain't even seen 30% of orochimarus power,his strongest power is said to be his ninjutsu which we haven't seen cuz his arms were off in almost all his fights,and he was holding back vs hiruzen.

And no im not afraid im wrong,I told you what its about stop playing dirty.



I must crate a new post in order to reply cuz edit is not showing "all posts" so i can quote escuse me for breaking the rules.

[Kioroshi.]

wounds heal and it is a scar but its just a weak spot for Kisame to hit.

So you agreed there is no hole.Okay.

how would he breath easily in the water? And Manda is not as fast as Kisame in the water. The water is not natural. it is denser and harder to swim in. Manda is too slow to hit Kisame.

No it is normal water,only water prison is dense.

Kisame is faster. he is not getting caught. Especially with sharks on the attack.

You act like sharks are all powerfull and they get destroyed rather easily.

so? it was obvious Naruto was powering something up. And he had knowledge of Naruto. Kisame is different

Nope if you read page 4 orochimaru says "so how are you gonna fight me with all that chakra in your body" means he had no knowledge,also where did you get that oro had knowledge on KN4?

Kisame is not different cuz the fact im proving here is that Orochimaru can think of a counter rather quick.faster then kisame for sure.

sharks dont hurt?

They can hardly hurt manda,also they get destroyed if he even swings his body,the force his body makes when he "kicks" someone with his massive body is probably on par with gate guy or less but certainly strong enough to destroy water made sharks.

how does it tank a constant attack?

Forget i said anything about it,sharks get destroyed quickly.

Imagine if you swinged ur arm to 'punch" mosquito made of water,he would break in a second.

So you are saying the sharks do no damage

To manda yes pretty much.

so manda is going to move easily in the water? NO it is dense and there are hundreds of sharks attacking. Manda can not shake them off that easily. The point is Manda would be busy with sharks. And Guy was in GATES when he did that

Sharks-destroyed easily

I already told you about the massive force manda's body would destroy the sharks

Water is not dense,only water prison is.

so manda will not breath?
Manda can not bite anything to attack?
Manda can not talk back?
You are ASSUMING that Oro would figure it out in time. Oro did not foresee the sealing jutsu or Saskue killing him

He actually did know sasuke would come after him,read chapters again.

Manda can breathe you said it yourself.

He can swing his body and destroy the sharks or body choke kisame.

i can say you are assuming sharks would attack.This is a made up fight after all,and don't you agree he would figure it out in time?hes like one of smartest characters in narutoverse.

okay Manda can breath but it is still slower than Kisame in the water

He may be slower but his size makes up for it.

so when is Oro going to summon all of them? I thought he was in Manda's mouth? and kisame would drain chakra from his neck

Drain chakra from his neck?this is a joke right?is this comment supposed to counter that orochimaru extends his neck?lol this is bs comment.

Umm well he can summon them,when he extends his neck (neck extending is faster then kisame) out of water dome and summon them on the lake you said kisame would make.Ninja can walk on water right?why couldn't they put hands on water too and summon?

kisame would not merge then make an obiv water clone.

If kisame doesn't merge immediatelly then all your chakra draining points you said are not possible,also he wouldn't be fast in the water if he doesn't merge,obvious water clone is the only water clone he can make in this fight,unless you want him roflstomped in the beginning.


Basically the only damage he does to orochimaru is chakra drain,if you take that out hes doomed.

exactly so kisame just has to touch Manda while absorbing its chakra. Kisame would just sit on its head and absorb away

I doubt manda will let kisame stay on his head and absorb chakra,hes not helpless.

kisame went easy on Bee. that was not his best. And in his last battle he did not have samehada. We have yet to see his best

Well we know his strongest technique,and we can put the feats with samehada and without it together and we get a bigger picture.

go by feats only

I just wanted you to acknowledge this fact.

lol no. Are you just afraid you are wrong? that is like making a naruto vs someone else and waitint to see if he is stronger. We go with current status

Okay but if theres something new orochimaru shows in the manga i can use it here right?

Also im not afraid im wrong cuz ik im right :3

Suddenly Oro appears and is in the water dome*... what does Oro do now?

So he suddenly appears in water dome?this is not logically possible,kisame would have to catch him inside first,and while he does it oro summons manda and there we go to our random facts again :3



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[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

No it is normal water,only water prison is dense.
You think water comign out of a ninja's body is normal? NO! Every element is different from the orginal element. Why? Because the ninja has infused chakra within the element so it is stronger. Thus the water would be denser.

You act like sharks are all powerfull and they get destroyed rather easily.
You act like the sharks are easy to beat. It would be hard for Manda to destroy all of the sharks at once. there would always be a shark attacking Manda. Plus Manda is moving slower due to water and the sharks can dodge. The higher the sharks attack (near the head) the harder it will be for Manda to hit them


Nope if you read page 4 orochimaru says "so how are you gonna fight me with all that chakra in your body" means he had no knowledge,also where did you get that oro had knowledge on KN4?
Kisame is not different cuz the fact im proving here is that Orochimaru can think of a counter rather quick.faster then kisame for sure.
Oro did not forsee Tsuande pulling Oro's tounge and punching him. The point is that Oro can not foresee every detail.


They can hardly hurt manda,also they get destroyed if he even swings his body,the force
the force is reduced because the water is slowing Manda down
his body makes when he "kicks" someone with his massive body is probably on par with gate guy or less but certainly strong enough to destroy water made sharks.
Manda can not destroy all of the sharks. How would Manda use his tail to reach its head? The sharks can attack multiple areas at once.

Forget i said anything about it,sharks get destroyed quickly.
Imagine if you swinged ur arm to 'punch" mosquito made of water,he would break in a second.
okay...but their is a big swarm of mosquitos. One punch could not destory all of them and plus your in the water so the punch is not as powerful



To manda yes pretty much.
false



Sharks-destroyed easily
I already told you about the massive force manda's body would destroy the sharks
Water is not dense,only water prison is.
Again false. It would not be taht easy. And you really think only water prison is dense? All of the water is dense because it is infused with chakra


He can swing his body and destroy the sharks or body choke kisame.
again swinging the whole body would be slower and less effective. Do you REALLY think Kisame would get caught in water!?!? Even if Kisame did he could just absorb manda's chakra by touch.


He may be slower but his size makes up for it.
not really his body could not hit all of the sharks at once

Drain chakra from his neck?this is a joke right?is this comment supposed to counter that orochimaru extends his neck?lol this is bs comment.
anywhere on its body

Umm well he can summon them,when he extends his neck (neck extending is faster then kisame) out of water dome and summon them on the lake you said kisame would make.Ninja can walk on water right?why couldn't they put hands on water too and summon?
Kisame is not going to stand there while he summons another one or reaches its neck out. Kisame or his sharks would attak once oro came out of the mouth



If kisame doesn't merge immediatelly then all your chakra draining points you said are not possible,also he wouldn't be fast in the water if he doesn't merge,obvious water clone is the only water clone he can make in this fight,unless you want him roflstomped in the beginning.
Basically the only damage he does to orochimaru is chakra drain,if you take that out hes doomed.
Kisame can absorb chakra fused or unfused. Unfused Sameahda would absorb the chakra. And water clone makes exact copy of the firuge anyway. Kisame still moves fast underwater unfused.



I doubt manda will let kisame stay on his head and absorb chakra,hes not helpless.
lol so how would manda get him off then?


Okay but if theres something new orochimaru shows in the manga i can use it here right?
naw cuz when the thread was made it was that Oro vs this kisame...but idc Kisame will win anyway


So he suddenly appears in water dome?this is not logically possible,kisame would have to catch him inside first,and while he does it oro summons manda and there we go to our random facts again :3
BG standard rules state that the foe will be 50m apart from each other...the dome is longer than a mere 50m

Reply to this please

Spoiler:

Kisame uses his prep to flood the area. The field is misty and hard to see. It is easy for Kisme to flood the area since it is humid and so much water around. Kisame then uses water dome and fuses with his sword. He then gets read for his battle.

*Suddenly Oro appears and is in the water dome*... what does Oro do now?

[Shikaku Nara]

What about the Three Rashomon Gates? It's almost impenetrable righy? Unless Kisame can make Tailed Beast Ball, Orochimaru would win for sure!!

[PrinceofPeace]

Kisame can swim around or over the gates. Water some is bigger than gates. And the gates can not be used offensively

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

What if a gate tips over?? LOL.
Seriosly though, if kisame goes inside Manda, then manda gets reverse summoned orochi wins. This is proven when Sasuke reversed summoned Manda when he was inside and appeared somewhere else. Furthermore, considering Manda tanked C4, it puts it leagues above anything a water shark could do. Also, considering Orochi is now almost entirely made of white zetsu, he has Senju DNA!!. Also, he has all of Kabuto's knowledge about sage mode etc... Furthermore, what if Orochi puts the curse mark on kisame?? remember it prevented Sasuke from using chakra when it was first added. Also, remember Manda 2 swimming under water, it was fast!!!. Orochimaruo wins using the curse seal, kisame cannot deal with Manda and avoid Orochimaru. Remember, orochimaru fought four tailed naruto with his arms sealed, survived a biju bomb, getting cut in half, etc. truthfully he destroys kisame just plain using commen sense. Also, another think, poisan. Orochimaru is a master of poisen, if one snake out of a thousand bits kisame its over. Also, snakes have fangs, Manda won't necesarily just try and swallow kisame, and if he does reverse summon wins, Considering Manda's size his fang would not only destroy kisame but it would also potentially have enough poisen to nock out a biju.....

[PrinceofPeace]

-kisame swims away from gate tipping lol
-we already talked about the minds thing. Kisame can send a water clone to flood the snake from the inside out
-kisame and dediara's attacks are different. Kisame steals chakra while dediara's does direct damage. Manda is a buffet for kisame
-we were not talking about the latest oro/zetsu. But anyway how does that make a big difference in battle? It's featless
- curse mark is OOC. Oro uses that on weaker people. Kisame would grab his neck and drain his chakra if oro got that close
-oro does not have manda II
-kisame beat Kioler B and tanked hidora... What's your point
-that "poison" is also OOC and is suicide and would not work because kisame is not a proper host
-snakes swallow their food whole especially manda
-how does knowledge of SM help if oro can not use it

[Greenrust]

Zetsu said that the 8 branches was oro's greatest technique which ment it was not a secret since he heard of it before and could name it. so he can do it without the curse seal.

[PrinceofPeace]

If he uses eight branches than kisame just floods it from the inside out

[321zigzag3]

Kisame would have heck of a tough time to take down 8 branches technique, he needs 1000 sharks for that.

Orochimaru relies on conventional snake summoning that makes it tough for chakra draining unless up close.

[PrinceofPeace]

Once Kisame is inside the mouth of the beast Kisame can easily drain its chakra or flood it or shark spam. Even a water clone could do this.


DONT FORGET!!!!!! Kisame has prep and its in his homeland so Kisame has the water advantage/homefield advntage

Giant water Shark GG
1,000 water shark GG

[321zigzag3]

More like Kisame gets eaten if he does that. Who flies right into the mouth?

8 branches is much bigger than a single Giant Shark Missile.

1000 sharks would have to do so much to rip the 8 branches apart which is even bigger Manda.



Can't snakes adapt well in water?

[PrinceofPeace]

snakes swallow things whole and do not chew so Kisame would surive

and with water dome the snake would surely flood

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

snakes swallow things whole and do not chew so Kisame would surive

Snakes digest.

and with water dome the snake would surely flood

[PrinceofPeace]

digesting is not instant. Look at PTS Naruto when he broke out of the snake. And like I said a water clone could do his job. And Kisame can absorb charka from inside the beast

[321zigzag3]

That's because Naruto quickly broke out of it with Mass Shadow Clone spam.

Its much easier to absorb chakra that is out there like a shroud. Kisame is way too small to make a sudden difference to 8 branches.

Not to mention there are 8 heads.

[PrinceofPeace]

and Kisame will quckly use water dome or colldigng wave the flood the beast

8 heads yet one body. ANd Kisame can make more than one clones or send 1,000 of sharks

Kisame in his shark form was easily draining chakra shroud or not.