Orochimaru vs Kisame

[PrinceofPeace]

that is IF!!! He can hold his breath that long.

Plus they are only running away. You do know that running away is considered a defeat in the BG's right!

The point is Oro has nothing to attack with. he is just hiding underground and running away like the snake he is. I already told you how Kisame counters all of his attacks in post #69.

Oro and Manda would drown despertatly tyring to run away or they would be DQ'd for running away.

The point is Oro can not land harm or get a hit on Kisame. I countered everything you threw at me...at least I believe so lol


Have you countered the shark army? I believe you just said Oro would just go underground which again does not hlep much

[Kioroshi.]

Its a tactical repositioning.And no i didn't know its considered a defeat.

No you didn't counter everything,you skipped several of my posts before and then went with a new ocean theory thus skipping all things earlier but w/e.


Umm idk how would they drown,manda should be at least twice as long as lake's depth sooo its kinda easy to go underground for him.


See it this way if you fight a snow bear and have a option to drag it into a desert wouldn't you do it?(example ik its impossible)


Its called strategy.

[PrinceofPeace]

lol okay then. tell me what I missed please

Kisame has 5 min prep in a location that is already watery. He can make the ocean bigger to and larger then before to expand it so it would take a while to travel over.

So how does Oro do damage?

[Kioroshi.]

^ doesn't matter what you skipped cuz we got new argument now.


Kisame can not make an ocean.best he can do is a lake.And manda is HUGE and LONG so he better make some veeeeery deep lake.and manda can travel it no matter how huge it is.And come out out of lake's reach.



better question is how does kisame do damage?He has NOTHING to hurt either orochimaru or manda.Manda tanked C0 and orochimaru took a hit from tsunade and got some face skin shed,and if hes bisected snakes come out and heal him.There is nothing kisame can do to actually hurt orochimaru.

orochimaru does damage with kusanagi for one.

[BMC1994]

Just to be clear, manda was KILLED by C0. Thats not tanking.

[Maruko]

Since Kisame can use water dome, he can just blitz Oro in it.
Kisame is a totally aggressive ninja. Oro would have to be defensive.
Oro's got Rashomon, but it's useless under water.

[Kioroshi.]

Just to be clear, manda was KILLED by C0. Thats not tanking.

Maybe but did you see his skin?it was barely damaged by an S-Rank explosion which would kill almost anyone ine narutoverse,and mandas skin was barely damaged.Kisame has nothing to hurt manda.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

^ doesn't matter what you skipped cuz we got new argument now.

I guess it was not a good argument if you are not going to bring it up.

Kisame can not make an ocean.best he can do is a lake.And manda is HUGE and LONG so he better make some veeeeery deep lake.and manda can travel it no matter how huge it is.And come out out of lake's reach.
You do know that the way manda goes underground is not like how Oro does it right? Manda makes a huge hole in the ground. He does not flow into the ground. The water will race after Manda.
Also Kisame made a HUGE lake in a dried up area with 30% chakra. With 5 min prep and Kisame 100% AND!!! WIth a nation already humid and filled with water then Kisame can turn that lake into an ocean ! Not to mention the mist makes it harder for Oro to fight in



better question is how does kisame do damage?He has NOTHING to hurt either orochimaru or manda.Manda tanked C0 and orochimaru took a hit from tsunade and got some face skin shed,and if hes bisected snakes come out and heal him.There is nothing kisame can do to actually hurt orochimaru.
I already said how Manda dies

Manda dies by
-Manda's ONLY way of beating a small foe like that is eating. Once Manda opens its mouth it will eat the foe. Manda would swallow a WATER CLONE or Kisame or a lot of sharks. Once inside the sharks would eat manda and its chakra from the inside out. If it swallows Kisame or a WATER CLONE. Then it will create a lot of water inside the beast to make it explode!!!!!

How does Oro counter
-1,000 sharks
-water dome
-Giant Shark Bomb

orochimaru does damage with kusanagi for one.
how? Kisame is better at kunjutsu then Oro is. Oro uses it best in his mouth but it will be hard to use when he is in water drowning. Plus using it close range would be suicide against a skilled swordsman. Kisame can easily dodge the sword in the water or counter with sharks at a far range.

Kisame wins with or without prep/location advantage

[Kioroshi.]

I guess it was not a good argument if you are not going to bring it up.

You really like to play dirty huh?Go look it up if you want im too lazy to type everything YET AGAIN.

You do know that the way manda goes underground is not like how Oro does it right? Manda makes a huge hole in the ground. He does not flow into the ground. The water will race after Manda.
Also Kisame made a HUGE lake in a dried up area with 30% chakra. With 5 min prep and Kisame 100% AND!!! WIth a nation already humid and filled with water then Kisame can turn that lake into an ocean ! Not to mention the mist makes it harder for Oro to fight in

Even better,if manda creates holes and water follow then if he creates a massive enough hole the whole lake will dry into the earth.So no more lake. thx for this.

Manda dies by
-Manda's ONLY way of beating a small foe like that is eating. Once Manda opens its mouth it will eat the foe. Manda would swallow a WATER CLONE or Kisame or a lot of sharks. Once inside the sharks would eat manda and its chakra from the inside out. If it swallows Kisame or a WATER CLONE. Then it will create a lot of water inside the beast to make it explode!!!!!

When manda swallows him orochimaru can dispell manda and thus removing kisame from the battlefield and do whatever he wants with him thereafter,maybe even use him as a subject for experiment.





1000 sharks can be blocked by rashomon.


I already said how he counters water dome 999999999999 times.



Giant shark bomb<hmm tough one.Well manda is bigger then this jutsu so if orochimaru hides himself in his mouth manda can tank this jutsu. ._.

how? Kisame is better at kunjutsu then Oro is. Oro uses it best in his mouth but it will be hard to use when he is in water drowning. Plus using it close range would be suicide against a skilled swordsman. Kisame can easily dodge the sword in the water or counter with sharks at a far range.

Umm oro can wait till kisame gets reckless as he is tend to and then BOOM kusanagi out of orochimaru's mouth in kisames face.

This is no knowledge thread right?so kisame wouldn't know about kusanagi

Kisame wins with or without prep/location advantage

LOOOOOOOL at this.Dude you changed your argument to use the advantage of location and prep cuz u couldn't counter my argument before this.And now you say he wins without prep and location advantage.I have no comment thats just absurd.

[PrinceofPeace]

copy n past silly head. Idk what I am looking for. How am I playing dirty Lol


how does that help? water dome will not go underground and the water would just follow Manda the water would turn into sharks and attack manda

you do know Kisame can send a water clone in his mouth instead right? The water clone itself can do damage inside the body and flood him from the inside out. Also you have no proof it would disspel him. ANd it would be hard for Manda to breath with a hole in its mouth from Tsuande's attack anyway

lol are you serious? 1,000 sharks are not stupid. they would go AROUND or OVER the wall. The shark made it all the way to Tobi for crying out loud

he hides underground to escape water dome? He can not hit Kisame this way

So manda is going to sit there? You are seriosly underestimating the power of the shark. Especially when Manda has a whole in its mouth that the shark can enter though. The shark would just eat Manda's chakra for lunch

Kisame is not reckless. He fooled the leaf and Kumo ninjas and got info from them. He only takes weak foes recklessly

Kisame reacted to gated guy he can react to a simple sword

Lol at me? LOL AT YOU! You are saying Manda can take anything.

[Kioroshi.]

Quote please...

copy n past silly head. Idk what I am looking for. How am I playing dirty Lol

I can't copy paste 2-3 posts here go search them.You are playing dirty cuz whatever i say you find the bad side of it and post it,without ever thinking the other way.

how does that help? water dome will not go underground and the water would just follow Manda the water would turn into sharks and attack manda

I think we established the sharks could not hurt manda.

you do know Kisame can send a water clone in his mouth instead right? The water clone itself can do damage inside the body and flood him from the inside out. Also you have no proof it would disspel him. ANd it would be hard for Manda to breath with a hole in its mouth from Tsuande's attack anyway

If kisame intentionally tries to go into manda's mouth and attack him from there orochimaru will see through this tactic and tell manda not to eat him.

lol are you serious? 1,000 sharks are not stupid. they would go AROUND or OVER the wall. The shark made it all the way to Tobi for crying out loud

And the snakes are stupid?That shark was arguably "programed" to go to tobi just like itachi "programed" his crow.

he hides underground to escape water dome? He can not hit Kisame this way

It is arguable that while in mandas mouth he can perform edo tensei,but there are not dead bodies so i will dismiss this comment.

He leaves other boss snakes to kill kisame while hes underground and when they lure him out water dome moves with him and orochimaru can come out and procced as usual.

So manda is going to sit there? You are seriosly underestimating the power of the shark. Especially when Manda has a whole in its mouth that the shark can enter though. The shark would just eat Manda's chakra for lunch

Im seriously judging the power of your understanding now.The "sharks" kisame makes can not absorb chakra and also Manda doesn't use chakra which i mentioned at least 10 times.

Kisame is not reckless. He fooled the leaf and Kumo ninjas and got info from them. He only takes weak foes recklessly

That wasn't even his plan to begin with,it was tobi's.He is more of a "tell me and i do it" kinda guy,not a thinker.Proved by the fact he listens to every itachi's word and doesn't even make a question "why".


Manga spoilers ahead.

Spoiler:

You say he is not reckless and he was taking orders from leaf village spy

Kisame reacted to gated guy he can react to a simple sword

reacted?more like seeing his ass getting beat up.

Lol at me? LOL AT YOU! You are saying Manda can take anything.

Prove me wrong.

Find me another character in narutoverse that can withstand the power of C0 and not get blown to every corner of the planet.

If you wanna say kisames sharks are equal to C0 go ahead so i can laugh. ._.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

I can't copy paste 2-3 posts here go search them.You are playing dirty cuz whatever i say you find the bad side of it and post it,without ever thinking the other way.


I think we established the sharks could not hurt manda.
not really.
-they would cause constant annoying damgae
-they would steal his chakra
-they would go though the whole in his mouth
-manda can not open his mouth or sharks enter



If kisame intentionally tries to go into manda's mouth and attack him from there orochimaru will see through this tactic and tell manda not to eat him.
...so Manda can not do any damage? ANd Manda has a whole in his mouth so closing your mouth does not do much.
-Plus could Oro even see though Kisame's attack in time? Afterall as you said they have no knowledge of each other
-Manda and Oro are not the best teammates! Manda may not even listen

And the snakes are stupid?That shark was arguably "programed" to go to tobi just like itachi "programed" his crow.
so you are saying it would go stright towards the wall?

You are saying the shark is not smart enough to go around the wall?
And how would Oro use Rashomon? Oro would have to be out of Manda's mouth and Oro would have to reach the ground level. How would that happen


It is arguable that while in mandas mouth he can perform edo tensei,but there are not dead bodies so i will dismiss this comment.
thank you

He leaves other boss snakes to kill kisame while hes underground and when they lure him out water dome moves with him and orochimaru can come out and procced as usual.
sharks deal with "boss snakes". THe boss snakes are just extra chakra to Kisame

Im seriously judging the power of your understanding now.The "sharks" kisame makes can not absorb chakra and also Manda doesn't use chakra which i mentioned at least 10 times.
You can not prove Manda does not have chakra. All summonings have chakra. And Kisame n his sharks eat chakra.

That wasn't even his plan to begin with,it was tobi's.He is more of a "tell me and i do it" kinda guy,not a thinker.Proved by the fact he listens to every itachi's word and doesn't even make a question "why".


Manga spoilers ahead.

Spoiler:

You say he is not reckless and he was taking orders from leaf village spy

Kisame would be reckless if he DID NOT follow orders but he does

reacted?more like seeing his ass getting beat up.
which is why he surivied an had enough energy to keep fighting

Prove me wrong.
wrong on what?

Find me another character in narutoverse that can withstand the power of C0 and not get blown to every corner of the planet.
nobody cuz nobody has got hit with C0. This argument is useless. cuz nobody else was hit with that jutsu.

If you wanna say kisames sharks are equal to C0 go ahead so i can laugh. ._.

????No????

[tanduhman]

Honestly Prince there is an easier way for kisame to take out manda. When kisame fuses with samehada, anything he touches is drained of chakra until death. Just because manda does not use chakra for attacks does not mean that he does not have chakra? All kisame would have to do is get onto the back of mandas head... What is the snake going to do? Its only form of attack is biting, so when kisame is on top it would not be able to do anything. Get ready for a bull riding show.

[Kioroshi.]

not really.
-they would cause constant annoying damgae
-they would steal his chakra
-they would go though the whole in his mouth
-manda can not open his mouth or sharks enter

Where exactly is this hole in mandas mouth?

well for him its like mosquoitous are biting and attacking him lol (yes spelled wrong)

Kisame stomps I could tell u y but I don't feel like it

Go ahead.

...so Manda can not do any damage? ANd Manda has a whole in his mouth so closing your mouth does not do much.
-Plus could Oro even see though Kisame's attack in time? Afterall as you said they have no knowledge of each other
-Manda and Oro are not the best teammates! Manda may not even listen

In this battle manda would be more of a helper then fighter.

Well orochimaru is arguably smartest person in narutoverse yes i see him predicting or seeing kisames attacks coming.


Well thats true but he listened the 1st time so we cannot assume he does not listen.

You can not prove Manda does not have chakra. All summonings have chakra. And Kisame n his sharks eat chakra.

well he never used any chakra.Also sharks do not absorb chakra only samehada does.

Kisame would be reckless if he DID NOT follow orders but he does

how so?

which is why he surivied an had enough energy to keep fighting

I remember him being beat up and dieing pretty much.is this 2nd fight we're talking about or 1st?

wrong on what?

this had a quote

Lol at me? LOL AT YOU! You are saying Manda can take anything.

Prove me wrong on that.

nobody cuz nobody has got hit with C0. This argument is useless. cuz nobody else was hit with that jutsu.

No its not.See when C0 exploded it created a crater,it means ground itself was destroyed and THAT means manda's skin is a lot harder then the ground.Also tell me who do you think could have survived C0?

this argument is not useless at all.

????No????

idk whats this for lol.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Where exactly is this hole in mandas mouth?

well for him its like mosquoitous are biting and attacking him lol (yes spelled wrong)
Remeber when Tsuande used the sword to pierce manda's head. Yeah the cut is not small


Go ahead.
for what. Oh wait that was not even me. If you are gonna quote me then tell me what is me and waht is not


In this battle manda would be more of a helper then fighter.
how by helping Oro hide and run away? it is just a big target for getting its chakra drained. Can we at least agree Manda can not hurt Kisame. And Oro has no knoweldge so why not use Hydra as you said. Is it because I already told you how it get destroyed inside and out?

Well orochimaru is arguably smartest person in narutoverse yes i see him predicting or seeing kisames attacks coming.
so? Shiakamaru is smart as well but that does not mean he can forsee attacks from random foes right off the bat. YOu are just assuming now. Your just guessing. Oro did not forsee what Hiruzen was going to do with the sealing jutsu afterall.


Well thats true but he listened the 1st time so we cannot assume he does not listen.
he barely listened. He had to be promised sacrficies and the last time he "listnened" he almost died so he is nott oo hapy bout it

well he never used any chakra.Also sharks do not absorb chakra only samehada does.
Giant shark bomb does

how so?
how so what?What do you mean? A reckless person does not follow orders. But kisame always follows orders to the letter. He is not reckless. Naruto is the reckless one who does what he wants and goes against orders. Kisame has never done anything reckless.

I remember him being beat up and dieing pretty much.is this 2nd fight we're talking about or 1st?
3rd

this had a quote
what had a quote



Prove me wrong on that.
on what ? It is not tanking if you die afterwards. Kabuto tanked a rasengan and surivied. Kabuto hit one of the paths with rasengan and it died. Kabuto tanked the path did not.


No its not.See when C0 exploded it created a crater,it means ground itself was destroyed and THAT means manda's skin is a lot harder then the ground.Also tell me who do you think could have survived C0?
why do you keep saying this. Manda DID NOT SURVIVE CO. Manda died. It is only tanking if Manda did not die

this argument is not useless at all.
be more specific this is why quoting sukcs
.

Prove manda does not have chakra
Prove Manda and Kisame would both disapear if Kisame was in Manda's mouth

Oro does not have a contract with Kisame so he can not disspell him. Only reverse summonings bring people back

[tanduhman]

^Also even if kisame were to go with manda that would not mean that orochimaru would win. Thats like saying that tobi would win every BG fight possible because he could bring people to another dimension at free will. That point being used in this argument is utterly useless, because it does not follow BG standards as far as I'm concerned.

[Kioroshi.]

^Also even if kisame were to go with manda that would not mean that orochimaru would win. Thats like saying that tobi would win every BG fight possible because he could bring people to another dimension at free will. That point being used in this argument is utterly useless, because it does not follow BG standards as far as I'm concerned.

Wouldn't he win if he sucked them in?

tanduhman ^

Remeber when Tsuande used the sword to pierce manda's head. Yeah the cut is not small

That kind of wound heals.....its been 3 years or more since then,it healed....

how by helping Oro hide and run away? it is just a big target for getting its chakra drained. Can we at least agree Manda can not hurt Kisame. And Oro has no knoweldge so why not use Hydra as you said. Is it because I already told you how it get destroyed inside and out?

he can hurt him,he can kill him in a second,if he kick him with his body somehow or crushes him like he tried with katsuyu.Cuz orochimaru is one of smartest characters in narutoverse,he is gonna figure out if kisame intentionally goes into hydras or mandas mouth.


You only told me for inside,but didn't you say we will not use hydra?cuz it is featless?so much contradiction.

for what. Oh wait that was not even me. If you are gonna quote me then tell me what is me and waht is not

lol k my bad xD

so? Shiakamaru is smart as well but that does not mean he can forsee attacks from random foes right off the bat. YOu are just assuming now. Your just guessing. Oro did not forsee what Hiruzen was going to do with the sealing jutsu afterall.

I meant more like see how to counter it fast not foresee what hes going to do.Poor choice of words on my side.

he barely listened. He had to be promised sacrficies and the last time he "listnened" he almost died so he is nott oo hapy bout it

again saying he doesn't listen is assuming.



OH MY GOD DUDE.Is it possible you can not understand what i am saying.Every character in narutoverse would get disintegrated if he was hit by C0,but manda barely had his skin damaged,yes he died BUT his skin was barely damaged.Also he had strenght to curse after it ( )

Kisame does not have attack with equal power as C0.

why do you keep saying this. Manda DID NOT SURVIVE CO. Manda died. It is only tanking if Manda did not die

Im saying tanking in different context,but im starting to doubt your understanding abilities.

be more specific this is why quoting sukcs

yes it does :/

No its not.See when C0 exploded it created a crater,it means ground itself was destroyed and THAT means manda's skin is a lot harder then the ground.Also tell me who do you think could have survived C0?

^

this argument is not useless at all.

Prove manda does not have chakra
Prove Manda and Kisame would both disapear if Kisame was in Manda's mouth

he never used any so that he doesn't use it is pretty much given,so you are the one having to prove not me.Basically every comment i start with prove this you "counter" with "no you prove it" stop being lazy.


So you are saying when orochimaru summons manda and dispells him all the non chewed food is going to stay on battlefield cuz orochimaru doesn't have contract with it?this is how dumb your statement is.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

Wouldn't he win if he sucked them in?

tanduhman ^
it does not matter. Not only is that not proven but Kisame can send in sharks or send in a clone. If Oro needs to get into Manda's mouth then Manda has to open his mouth some time. NOt to mention the hole in Manda's head

That kind of wound heals.....its been 3 years or more since then,it healed....
Proof?

he can hurt him,he can kill him in a second,if he kick him with his body somehow or crushes him like he tried with katsuyu.Cuz orochimaru is one of smartest characters in narutoverse,he is gonna figure out if kisame intentionally goes into hydras or mandas mouth.
How does Manda kick when it has no legs? Manda is not fast enough to catch Kisame in the water. Plus even if Kisame got wapped he would just absorb it's chakra. Plus the sharks would be after manda so Manda would be busy already



You only told me for inside,but didn't you say we will not use hydra?cuz it is featless?so much contradiction.
i thought you were still using him but fine Oro would not use Hydra

I meant more like see how to counter it fast not foresee what hes going to do.Poor choice of words on my side.
when has Oro ever counter a new thing that fast that well?


again saying he doesn't listen is assuming.
OH MY GOD DUDE.Is it possible you can not understand what i am saying.Every character in narutoverse would get disintegrated if he was hit by C0,but manda barely had his skin damaged,yes he died BUT his skin was barely damaged.Also he had strenght to curse after it ( )
Okay I get it. But Oro nor Manda nor Kisame has an attack like that so why does it matter. Yes Manda took the hit well but bombs and flesh/chakra eating sharks are different. Saying Manda takes the hit with ease is not a good counter.

Kisame does not have attack with equal power as C0.
Kisame does not need an attack on that level. Kisame is an aksuki member he can beat a summoning. You still have not said how Manda defeats the sharks. All you have said is that Manda tanks it....are you saying Manda will just lay their while sharks eat away at its flesh and chakra. Manda will take constant damage and it is in the water so it can not run away easily. It can try to burrow underground but most of the water and the sharks will follow
I'm not the only one who disagrees on your term of "tanking". The point is Manda died. He was able to talk for a lil bit and his skin recieved major damage. But C0 is different than constant shark attacks. Plz thing of a better way to counter then by saying Manda tanks it.

he never used any so that he doesn't use it is pretty much given,so you are the one having to prove not me.Basically every comment i start with prove this you "counter" with "no you prove it" stop being lazy.
So? Even Lee has chakra. Lee is not good at using his chakra with ninjutsu or genjutsu but he still has chakra. EVERYSUMMONING has chakra. Prove that one does not. The Snake has no hands so it can not make hand signs. It has not shown a way to use ninjutsu without it. Chakra is like a mental energy that everyone has. Sakura explained it in Part 1 during the chakra climbing training. Even if Manda did not have chakra the sharks would still hurt Manda


So you are saying when orochimaru summons manda and dispells him all the non chewed food is going to stay on battlefield cuz orochimaru doesn't have contract with it?this is how dumb your statement is.
Fine lets say I agree...
Kisame would know this because he has summonings of his own. So he would counter by
-sending in a water clone to flood Manda from the inside out
or
-sends sharks in his mouth to destroy it from the inside out

Plus if manda opened his mouth water from the area would go in and Kisame can easily swim away from Manda. Manda is not catching Kisame insides its mouth.

Lol so your argument is pretty much Kisame vs Manda???

Please tell me how Manda fights the hundreds of sharks attacking it. Please tell me how Manda catches Kisame in the water.

I already told you how Kisame can kill Manda by flooding him without the real Kisame going in.

And when would Oro enter Manda's mouth? If Manda opend's its mouth water would flow in and so would the sharks. Manda's main form of attacking is though biting. ANd with its mouth closed its hard to breath underwater.

Manda can not hide underground forever.

Like all living summonings Manda has chakra.

Shark Army Spam GG

[Kioroshi.]

it does not matter. Not only is that not proven but Kisame can send in sharks or send in a clone. If Oro needs to get into Manda's mouth then Manda has to open his mouth some time. NOt to mention the hole in Manda's head

Wounds heal.

Proof?

lol wut?proof that wounds heal? O_O if you put your hand on the table and put a knife through it and wait 3 years you would either have a scar or heal completely,it wouldn't be open wound forever.

How does Manda kick when it has no legs? Manda is not fast enough to catch Kisame in the water. Plus even if Kisame got wapped he would just absorb it's chakra. Plus the sharks would be after manda so Manda would be busy already

I said "kick him somehow with his body" you misquote me,well manda can swim,and if ur saying kisame creates an ocean and then water dome on mandas head can't it swim in water dome also?If you strech manda's entire lenght across the water dome its arguable he is twice as long,means he can easily breathe whenever he wants.

Also if hes swimming inside water dome he can do the thing he did to katsuyu idk how its called,body choke him lol.

when has Oro ever counter a new thing that fast that well?

chapter 295 page 5-6

The reaction speed of orochimaru is really amazing you can see here,after blast was already fired he bit his fingers,and summoned rashomon.

Okay I get it. But Oro nor Manda nor Kisame has an attack like that so why does it matter. Yes Manda took the hit well but bombs and flesh/chakra eating sharks are different. Saying Manda takes the hit with ease is not a good counter.

Well as you said kisame doesn't have an attack like that,it matters cuz it means he cannot hurt him,pretty much.

Umm it isn't a good counter?well saying you "tanked" C0 is rather impressive feat ("tanked" you know what i meant to say)

Plz thing of a better way to counter then by saying Manda tanks it.

The thing is i don't need to think of another way.


Umm if i remember correctly and correct me if i am wrong but didn't guy punch 1 of the sharks and it "died"?manda can kick the sharks with his massive body.thats how he defeats them.

So? Even Lee has chakra. Lee is not good at using his chakra with ninjutsu or genjutsu but he still has chakra. EVERYSUMMONING has chakra. Prove that one does not. The Snake has no hands so it can not make hand signs. It has not shown a way to use ninjutsu without it. Chakra is like a mental energy that everyone has. Sakura explained it in Part 1 during the chakra climbing training. Even if Manda did not have chakra the sharks would still hurt Manda

So if he gets chakra drained he dies even if he doesn't use it? ._.?

Fine lets say I agree...
Kisame would know this because he has summonings of his own. So he would counter by
-sending in a water clone to flood Manda from the inside out
or
-sends sharks in his mouth to destroy it from the inside out

If he intentionally sends something in mandas mouth oro will see through this,and tell manda simply not to open the mouth.

Plus if manda opened his mouth water from the area would go in and Kisame can easily swim away from Manda. Manda is not catching Kisame insides its mouth.

It can swim and if kisame uses water dome manda can swim through water dome,as manda is longer then water dome he can easily breathe when he wants.



Kisame vs Manda and other boss snakes.Its pretty hard for oro to fight underwater and i don't see him pull it off without manda.Also oro can not be drowned,he can strech his neck and breathe lol.

Please tell me how Manda fights the hundreds of sharks attacking it. Please tell me how Manda catches Kisame in the water.

If he swims inside water dome he can "body choke" him as he is longer then water
dome.He destroys the sharks?

I already told you how Kisame can kill Manda by flooding him without the real Kisame going in.

Orochimaru would see through the water clone,cuz if kisame merges with samehada it will be easy to see the difference between him and water clone also,they cannot go in at will.

And when would Oro enter Manda's mouth? If Manda opend's its mouth water would flow in and so would the sharks. Manda's main form of attacking is though biting. And with its mouth closed its hard to breath underwater.

Manda could breathe search my earlier comments to see how,and oro could enter its mouth when manda breathes and oro extends his neck and oral rebirth into its mouth.

Manda can not hide underground forever.

Doesn't need to.

Like all living summonings Manda has chakra.

True but what if he gets his drained?does he die?ik he never uses it.

Shark Army Spam GG

Umm how so?


Also sharks CAN NOT absorb chakra,only giant shark bullet can and it only works on projectiles.

Only kisame can absorb it if he fuses with samehada.

Also do you understand we are debating here a guy who was seen in his full potential-kisame

And a guy that was never serious or was severely weakened in his fights and was handicaped with no jutsu for most of the series.


What do you say we stop here and continue when more of orochimaru is seen in manga?we yet have to see his full potential with proper body not rejecting him,and we have seen all of kisame.Not really fair.

Im not Admiting defeat here by proposing we stop to debate,i simply want both characters to be seen at full power so we can properly debate.

(and i kinda got bored from this lol)

Manga spoilers ahead beware.

Spoiler:

Orochimaru got a new body now and arms back we are about to see him go on rampage i think.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

wounds heal and it is a scar but its just a weak spot for Kisame to hit.

I said "kick him somehow with his body" you misquote me,well manda can swim,and if ur saying kisame creates an ocean and then water dome on mandas head can't it swim in water dome also?If you strech manda's entire lenght across the water dome its arguable he is twice as long,means he can easily breathe whenever he wants.
how would he breath easily in the water? And Manda is not as fast as Kisame in the water. The water is not natural. it is denser and harder to swim in. Manda is too slow to hit Kisame.

Also if hes swimming inside water dome he can do the thing he did to katsuyu idk how its called,body choke him lol.
Kisame is faster. he is not getting caught. Especially with sharks on the attack.

chapter 295 page 5-6
The reaction speed of orochimaru is really amazing you can see here,after blast was already fired he bit his fingers,and summoned rashomon.
so? it was obvious Naruto was powering something up. And he had knowledge of Naruto. Kisame is different

Well as you said kisame doesn't have an attack like that,it matters cuz it means he cannot hurt him,pretty much.
sharks dont hurt?

Umm it isn't a good counter?well saying you "tanked" C0 is rather impressive feat ("tanked" you know what i meant to say)
how does it tank a constant attack?

The thing is i don't need to think of another way.
So you are saying the sharks do no damage


Umm if i remember correctly and correct me if i am wrong but didn't guy punch 1 of the sharks and it "died"?manda can kick the sharks with his massive body.thats how he defeats them.
so manda is going to move easily in the water? NO it is dense and there are hundreds of sharks attacking. Manda can not shake them off that easily. The point is Manda would be busy with sharks. And Guy was in GATES when he did that

So if he gets chakra drained he dies even if he doesn't use it? ._.?
and becomes fatigued

If he intentionally sends something in mandas mouth oro will see through this,and tell manda simply not to open the mouth.
so manda will not breath?
Manda can not bite anything to attack?
Manda can not talk back?
You are ASSUMING that Oro would figure it out in time. Oro did not foresee the sealing jutsu or Saskue killing him

It can swim and if kisame uses water dome manda can swim through water dome,as manda is longer then water dome he can easily breathe when he wants.
okay Manda can breath but it is still slower than Kisame in the water



Kisame vs Manda and other boss snakes.Its pretty hard for oro to fight underwater and i don't see him pull it off without manda.Also oro can not be drowned,he can strech his neck and breathe lol.
so when is Oro going to summon all of them? I thought he was in Manda's mouth? and kisame would drain chakra from his neck




If he swims inside water dome he can "body choke" him as he is longer then water
dome.He destroys the sharks?
sharks and Kisame swim away from Manda's grasp.





Orochimaru would see through the water clone,cuz if kisame merges with samehada it will be easy to see the difference between him and water clone also,they cannot go in at will.
kisame would not merge then make an obiv water clone.


Manda could breathe search my earlier comments to see how,and oro could enter its mouth when manda breathes and oro extends his neck and oral rebirth into its mouth.
when would he summon other snakes?


Also sharks CAN NOT absorb chakra,only giant shark bullet can and it only works on projectiles.
true

Only kisame can absorb it if he fuses with samehada.
exactly so kisame just has to touch Manda while absorbing its chakra. Kisame would just sit on its head and absorb away

Also do you understand we are debating here a guy who was seen in his full potential-kisame
kisame went easy on Bee. that was not his best. And in his last battle he did not have samehada. We have yet to see his best

And a guy that was never serious or was severely weakened in his fights and was handicaped with no jutsu for most of the series.
go by feats only


What do you say we stop here and continue when more of orochimaru is seen in manga?we yet have to see his full potential with proper body not rejecting him,and we have seen all of kisame.Not really fair.
lol no. Are you just afraid you are wrong? that is like making a naruto vs someone else and waitint to see if he is stronger. We go with current status

Im not Admiting defeat here by proposing we stop to debate,i simply want both characters to be seen at full power so we can properly debate.
we go by what we know
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let's talk stratgey and not all these random points
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Kisame uses his prep to flood the area. The field is misty and hard to see. It is easy for Kisme to flood the area since it is humid and so much water around. Kisame then uses water dome and fuses with his sword. He then gets read for his battle.

*Suddenly Oro appears and is in the water dome*... what does Oro do now?